Possible murder weapon shown in Carman trial

Jun 13, 2007 Full story: Courier News 33

“The conversation was getting loud so I told (Carman) to get out of my truck. Heather got in and I took her home. I never saw Jackie again.”

Family and friends of Jacqueline Bodo cried Wednesday in a Somerville courtroom as they saw -- and heard about -- the weapon reportedly used to bludgeon her to death nearly four years ago. via Courier News

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chrisperry

Pennsville, NJ

#1 Jun 15, 2007
"He is accused of beating Bodo, then dragging her onto railroad tracks to make the death look like a suicide."

The article does not say how the cause of death was determined. Can it be determined after being hit by a train? Forensics needs to show that she was beat to death with a board, and though this is implied in the article, no facts are given.

"I pulled several hairs out stuck in blood in splintered areas of the wood," said Niles,"

The article does not state that it was Bodo's hair on the board, only her blood. The article does not mention her blood on the board as being splattered, which is consistent with swinging, only that there was a "dark-brown stain", implying a single area. Was the board nearby when Bodo was struck by the train and splashed with blood? When was the board found and were there any spectators or others that may have gotten to the board first? in a blood drenched crime scene, a stray board can easily become contaminated.

" 1) The last time Fortuna said he saw Bodo alive was when he saw her walking from Pourman's Pub to Douglas Stephens' home on Camplain Road in Manville, to buy cocaine...2)Fortuna said he and Carman went to Stephens' house to get Bodo, who was still inside. 3)Fortuna said Carman suspected Bodo of being upstairs in the house and smoking the cocaine meant for him and Bodo. 4) I never saw Jackie again."

The way the article is written implies that Fortuna left Carmen with Bodo when he was in an agitated state and "never saw her again". From the outline above, one can see that Fortuna never saw Bodo at Stephen's house so he did not know if she was even there. Was she?

"Stephens, who also testified Wednesday, cried at times because he said he was "reluctantly" supplying Bodo cocaine to fuel a habit he didn't want her to have. He said he never gave Bodo cocaine the night she was killed."

"Bodo's autopsy found cocaine in her system."

All night partying fueled by cocaine and alcohol, drug dealers, and an article lacking the necessary detail give a reasonable mind pause to convict of murder at this point.
NoNeedForAName

Marlboro, NJ

#2 Jun 16, 2007
In previous articles and shortly after his arrest, they (the media) mention 'a drop of blood on Carmans workboot which matched Bodos'. This drop of blood was 'found' after the SECOND search of his residence. Who is to say the police / investigators themselves didn't leave it behind from the FIRST search, in which they found NOTHING?

It is baffling to me that the 'patrolman' turned into Adrian Monk and 'noticed' smear marks of blood. Do your job and write parking tickets.

Given Carmans prior record, and how most of his town already thinks he did it, this whole thing screams 'scapegoat' to me. How can he honestly get a fair trial one town away? What ever happened to 'innocent until proven guilty'?

Not to mention the constant harassment the rest of his family has received. This proves the mentality and ignorance of people in that town. Rumor has it that his own mother had to move away because of it. What did SHE do, give birth to him? Grow up.
Justin

Rahway, NJ

#3 Jun 19, 2007
this dickhead from martinsville sounds like a friend of carmens. for one, who cares about his family, maybe they shouldve raised the kid with some morals and he wouldnt have robbed a store, and knocked out a 72 yr old lady, or been in jail half is life. i hope the fuck gets murdered while hes in jail. and then fucked in his ass after hes dead. jackie was a friend of mine. i went to school with her. and that son of a bitch murdered her. he admitted to another inmate he beat her like a man, and then put her on the tracks and watched a train run over her. maybe someone should beat you like a man. maybe i will do so if i ever see you in manville. you low life piece of garbage.
JUSTICE

Newark, NJ

#4 Jun 20, 2007
Lets just fry this bastard already
bluedaisy

Brooklyn, NY

#6 Jun 20, 2007
he clearly did it - he is a CONVICTED sex offender, CONVICTED crook and soon a CONVICTED murderer !!!!

he doesnt deserve anything - he is a KILLER and i bet if it was your family member or friend you would feel differently.

he should be sentenced to DEATH
he should be beaten with a piece of wood and left to die like she was - an eye for an eye !!!!
oldmanville

Hamilton, MT

#7 Jun 20, 2007
Those of us who know Bobby know he is capable of this. If you knew him and his family you wouldn't have a doubt. And this comes from a childhood friend who has know him all my life.
NoNeedForAName

Marlboro, NJ

#8 Jun 20, 2007
Wow, I seem to have struck a nerve. I am by no means defending him. I am simply pointing out that the 'facts' don't make much sense, regardless of what the media says, or hearsay from other prison inmates. Maybe the newspapers should stop publishing anything until the trial over.

Yes, blame his parents, right 'Justin'? Do you realize how ignorant that sounds? Wait, I forgot, you were a friend of hers, right, so basically you're a coke / crackhead too? Your credibility just went down the toilet. Oh, and by the way, he's been in jail for MORE than 1/2 his life, so get your facts straight before babbling. Maybe you SHOULD 'try' to beat me like a man, because its apparent you have such low self esteem that you feel the need to do so. Yet, you have the audacity to call ME a 'low life piece of garbage'. You seem to have your own deep rooted issues, so perhaps you should seek help for that, and shut your trap.

If he is convicted, then by all means he should 'fry' as you put it, because life in prison IS too good for him. But, unfortunately, even HE is entitled to a fair trial. If convicted, this politically correct state will have him on death row until he dies, and we will be the ones paying for it.

I agree that he is capable of this. However, the quote 'knew him and his family' has me puzzled. What the hell does the rest of his family have to do with HIM??
old Manville

AOL

#9 Jun 20, 2007
Like I said if you knew him and his family you would know. I agree that all the times the parents aren't to blame but in some cases they are. I have known him since we were like 4 years old and all I have to say is that just doesn't surprise me. The way parents are and the way children are raised have a lot to do with how we turn out as adults!
NoNeedForAName

Marlboro, NJ

#10 Jun 20, 2007
Unfortunately, I did know him, during one of the times he wasn't in jail (which wasn't very often), and i didn't like him then. All you had to do was look at him the wrong way and he would pick a fight with you.

As far as the rest of the family, I've had some interaction with them, and he (bobby) is nothing like the rest of them (brother or step brother). The last time I saw the brother was about 2 years ago - and we still have mutual friends. I've never seen any of their names in the paper, etc - they stay out of trouble. That pretty much blows the whole 'parental interaction / intervention' theory out of the water, but you're right, in some cases, it is the result of parental abuse / neglect, etc.

I guess it just annoys me when the blame always falls on the parents, and siblings are associated by name - and people DO associate them by name. Its my understanding that he has always hated Bobby for just this reason - growing up in the shadow of this scumbag and sharing the same last name. I don't blame him at all for doing so.

I mean, seriously, this guy (Bobby) was in and out of jail since he was what.. 14? Something is plain wrong with his wiring.
old Manville

AOL

#11 Jun 21, 2007
If you are talking about Lenny you are absolutely right. As I remember he was always treated like the step child. But from what I remember they were a dysfunctional family (as was my extended family which is probably why they were friends.) And not all family problems make the paper. Bobby never did anything to me personally. Actually the last time I saw him was during one of his trips out of jail and I was genuinely happy to see him and was hoping that he would go straight.

And by the way for you to say something about the policeman noticing the blood? Weren't you assuming something there? To me you were accusing the police of something. And to say that Justin must be a coke/crackhead. My nieces went to school with Jackie and they considered her a friend. Does that make them crackheads? And even if she was a crackhead did she deserve what happened to her? For someone who is trying to be all "he deserves a fair trial" you do a lot of assuming. I think Bobby is getting a fair trial (unless you have gone to the court and you know something the paper isn't reporting) and none of us will be surprised when he is found guilty.

And lay off of Justin. He lost a friend (crackhead or not) in a horrific way. You would be acting the same way if you lost someone close to you. He is not ignorant he is angry! And I think if he was a friend of Jackie's he has every right to be!!!
NoNeedForAName

Marlboro, NJ

#12 Jun 21, 2007
Lay off Justin? Losing someone is no reason to threaten violence towards me for stating my opinion, and he needs to grow up.

I only met Lenny a few times, but I do bump into him occasionally. I was talking about the younger brother - just to clarify that.

No I wasn't assuming. I was making a point. If you can automatically associate the rest of his family with him, then I can say 'birds of a feather flock together' and associate any friends of hers as a crackhead. Thanks for proving the point I was trying to make in the first place - being guilty by association.

No, she didn't deserve it, no one does.

In regards to the blood. My point was when the first officer on the scene - a patrolman - noticed the 'smear' he should of secured the scene and waited for the professionals - not to take it upon himself to play detective - something that was clearly done by his own admission in court.

Speaking of the professionals - His house was searched twice- FACT. The first time nothing was found - FACT. During the second search they found the blood - FACT. You don't think they contaminated their own crime scene? Why wasn't it found the first time? I wouldn't be a bit surprised if this particular evidence gets throw out because of their inability to explain this - you see and hear about it all the time... just ask OJ.
OLD MANVILLIE

Hamilton, MT

#13 Jun 21, 2007
And you probably think OJ is innocent. Whatever. You are an opionated person looking to argue and I will not do it. I am almost sure that you getting threatend probably happens alot.
Oh by the way the definition of assume is to take for granted or true so unless you know the scene was contaminated as a fact (which only means you were there) than you are assuming.

Yes just as I am assuming that Bobby is guilty.

So you are right and I am wrong. And Justin has no right to be angry. Happy now?
Noneedtoknowname

United States

#14 Jun 21, 2007
1) The last time she was seen was on video camera with Mr Carmen.
2)Do you think the cops carried a vile of blood around there necks of Jackie's blood?
Please!! Who needs to grow up!
NoNeedForAName wrote:
In previous articles and shortly after his arrest, they (the media) mention 'a drop of blood on Carmans workboot which matched Bodos'. This drop of blood was 'found' after the SECOND search of his residence. Who is to say the police / investigators themselves didn't leave it behind from the FIRST search, in which they found NOTHING?
It is baffling to me that the 'patrolman' turned into Adrian Monk and 'noticed' smear marks of blood. Do your job and write parking tickets.
Given Carmans prior record, and how most of his town already thinks he did it, this whole thing screams 'scapegoat' to me. How can he honestly get a fair trial one town away? What ever happened to 'innocent until proven guilty'?
Not to mention the constant harassment the rest of his family has received. This proves the mentality and ignorance of people in that town. Rumor has it that his own mother had to move away because of it. What did SHE do, give birth to him? Grow up.
Noneedtoknowname

United States

#15 Jun 21, 2007
1) The last time she was seen was on video camera with Mr Carmen.
2)Do you think the cops carried a vile of blood around there necks of Jackie's blood?
Please!! Who needs to grow up!
OLD MANVILLIE

Hamilton, MT

#16 Jun 21, 2007
I do have one more thing to say. There is a big difference between a crack head and a murderer. And your comment about the "ignorance and mentalitiy of everyone in that town" is ignorant in itself. Is everyone in Riverton an opionated ass like you?
mememe

Parsippany, NJ

#17 Jun 21, 2007
"The article""The article""The article"

Do you really think the police are going to tell the media everything???
Do you have any association with this at all???
Why are you angering people who have been in mourning for years, waiting for some sort of resolution???
Noneedtoknowname

United States

#18 Jun 21, 2007
No Need, Let me ask you a question. Are you friends with Brian? If so have you ever met thier mother? or maybe the father before he passed away?
Really sometimes the apple does not fall far from the tree.
No Need ForAName

Marlboro, NJ

#19 Jun 21, 2007
1) Yes, I know Brian, and I actually attended the fathers funeral.

2) You're ignoring the possibility that the blood in which they found on their kitchen floor could of possibly been tracked in by the officers themselves. Again, why was it not 'found' during the FIRST search? Thats not an assumption, thats a FACT. Can't answer THAT, now can you.

3)The only reason why you won't 'argue' is because you can't. Plain and simple. Yes, the 'ignorance and mentality' is a true statement. When the mother gets screamed the words 'the murders mother' in Wal-Mart or wherever she happened to cross paths with anyone from her family, it really DOES show the mentality and ignorance of people.
OLD MANVILLIE

Hamilton, MT

#20 Jun 21, 2007
okay, but I am sure that not all people in Manville did that to Joanie. I am not ignoring the facts. You are ignoring the facts. You said yourself that Bobby would just as soon pick a fight with you as look at you. Do you not think he is capable of this violence? I think you have a problem with cops and that is all there is to it. I was a childhood friend of Bobby's. I remember his parents being really scary. Our family's spent a lot of time together. That is where I am basing my opinions on. I don't have good memories of them and I have my reasons, of which I will not go into detail with you. I know what I am talking about and that is all. I am sad that this happened to Bobby, but I am more sad that it happened to Jackie. She did nothing wrong but going partying with a person she thought was a friend. It could have been any one of us. If you knew the story you know that there were a lot of people down at the point that night. Jackie was just the unlucky one to be left with Bobby.
Noneedtoknowname

United States

#21 Jun 21, 2007
I think the whole thing is terriable, but having been around the family and seeing first hand how the mother treated the boys, and people around her makes me think that Bobby just finally snapped. Honestly, I thought it would be Lenny.
Now really don't you think more likely then NOT that he did it. How coincidental that she was on the tracks behind his house. Seen with him at DD just a few blocks from his house. I don't know I was not there,but come on. In and out of trouble just about all his life. I guess we will see.

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