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gomer-ez

Bolivar, MO

#1 Jan 12, 2013
This is a place to share and to help others who are reloading or wish to start reloading.
There are no questions to small to ask.
We have all made mistakes in reloading.Don't make the "BIG ONE",ask for advice.
curious

Whitewater, WI

#2 Jan 12, 2013
Is there anything like an electric primer? These guys that shoot BRs are always talking about "action" and so on. I started thinking if a gun fired electronically that would take care of any vibration. I'm not a gun guy just someone that ponders alot of different things.
gomer-ez

Bolivar, MO

#3 Jan 12, 2013
curious wrote:
Is there anything like an electric primer? These guys that shoot BRs are always talking about "action" and so on. I started thinking if a gun fired electronically that would take care of any vibration. I'm not a gun guy just someone that ponders alot of different things.
Personally I don't know,but I use muzzle brakes on all large caliber rifles,from 270 up thru the magnums.They keep recoil to a minimum.
Good question.
gomer-ez

Bolivar, MO

#4 Jan 12, 2013
curious wrote:
Is there anything like an electric primer? These guys that shoot BRs are always talking about "action" and so on. I started thinking if a gun fired electronically that would take care of any vibration. I'm not a gun guy just someone that ponders alot of different things.
Here is what I found.

Objective

The Department of Defense (DoD) has recognized heavy metal contamination as a critical environmental problem and assumed responsibility for reducing the use of lead (Pb) in its munitions. A SERDP Exploratory Development (SEED) project, WP-1183, focused on the feasibility of eliminating the use of heavy metals in the manufacture of medium-caliber lead-free electric primers (LFEP). The SEED project successfully demonstrated that nontoxic Metastable Intermolecular Composite (MIC) materials could be substituted for the normal complement of primary explosives based on heavy metal compounds. This project was a follow-on effort focused on refining the use of this technology for LFEP applications.

The objective of this project was to develop a reliable and effective electrically initiated medium-caliber primer that does not utilize environmentally harmful materials
gomer-ez

Bolivar, MO

#5 Jan 12, 2013
Some more info.I know this is old data.

Title : An Electric Primer-Operated Firing Pin Actuator for Large Caliber Guns.

Descriptive Note : Memorandum rept.,

Corporate Author : ARMY BALLISTIC RESEARCH LAB ABERDEEN PROVING GROUND MD

Personal Author(s): Rocchio,Joseph J. ; Hartman,Richard A. ; Gerri,Norman J.

Report Date : JAN 1979

Pagination or Media Count : 30

Abstract : A device which uses an electrically fired primer (M52A3B1) to actuate the mechanical firing pin in the 155-mm, 175-mm, and 8-inch gun systems has been developed. It may be used as a direct replacement for the standard lanyard-operated firing mechanism, M35. The advantage of this device is that the standard percussion primers (M82 or similar) used in these gun systems may be actuated remotely (i.e., without the use of the lanyard), under the control of an electronic sequence timer and/or computer system. The data acquistion process is simplified because the beginning of the ignition sequence may now be time-correlated with other events. More accurate timing of ignition delays results because the initiation signal to the electric primer serves as a reference point, and the delay between application of the initiation voltage and the beginning of output from the percussion primer is less than a millisecond.

Descriptors :*EXPLOSIVE ACTUATORS,*ELECTRIC PRIMERS, REPLACEMENT, COMPUTER APPLICATIONS, IGNITION, REMOTE CONTROL, TIMING DEVICES, FIRING CIRCUITS, FIRING MECHANISMS(AMMUNITION), ARMING SEQUENCE, FIRING PINS.
Clear Thinker 2oo

London, KY

#6 Jan 12, 2013
gomer-ez wrote:
This is a place to share and to help others who are reloading or wish to start reloading.
There are no questions to small to ask.
We have all made mistakes in reloading.Don't make the "BIG ONE",ask for advice.
Incoming transplant! lol
Clear Thinker 2oo

London, KY

#7 Jan 12, 2013
Clear Thinker 2oo wrote:
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For me the golden grail of reloading is finding a universally useful powder, something that burns fast enough to provide maximum acceleration but not so fast it vaporizes lead bullets. You're right though, it'll be difficult given the different barrel lengths between rifles and pistols. Would like to find a good compromise though, not really interested in tweaking for maximum FPS.
Not sure why this would make you uncomfortable, but we'll move on. Probably shouldn't hijack this thread anyway.
Well met.
For me the golden grail of reloading is finding a universally useful powder, something that burns fast enough to provide maximum acceleration but not so fast it vaporizes lead bullets. You're right though, it'll be difficult given the different barrel lengths between rifles and pistols. Would like to find a good compromise though, not really interested in tweaking for maximum FPS.

Not sure why this would make you uncomfortable, but we'll move on. Probably shouldn't hijack this thread anyway.

Well met.
Clear Thinker 2oo

London, KY

#8 Jan 12, 2013
Well !!!!. Did that wrong. will try again.
Clear Thinker 2oo

London, KY

#9 Jan 12, 2013
gomer-ez wrote:
It does not make me uncomfortable.Some people will contradict anything we say.
True.
gomer-ez wrote:
Oh well her goes.For my magnum pistols,I use a slow burning powder H-110.The smaller pistols I use HP-58. For Rifles I use IMR 4350 or IMR 4831. Everone will have their preferance. I reload from a Speer manual or barnes X.
Interesting.
gomer-ez wrote:
The reason I use the slow burning powder in magnums,The recoil is reduced at max load,and you can get more fps.You will use more powder,but it is worth it.
I hope this helps a little.
This had me flummoxed for while, it sounds counter intuitive, but I think I understand. The slower powder builds pressure at a steady rate and the further the bullet travels down a barrel the more speed it picks up. A fast powder peaks quickly then tapers off. Even if the bullets leave the barrel at precisely the same speed the fast powder would 'feel' like it caused more recoil. Like you said you'd have to use more of the slower powder to get the same FPS, but powder is cheap and it's a small price to pay to get what you need out of your weapon.

Very interesting.
Clear Thinker 2oo

London, KY

#10 Jan 12, 2013
gomer-ez wrote:
Correction,that would be HP-38.
Never reload from memory.
Yep, always have those books out for reference. Try to reload from memory and eventually your reloading equipment will be on some other guys workbench.

In the beginning I reloaded at the low end of the scale so if I made a mistake it wouldn't be catastrophic. I accidently double dipped a load once and it scared the %$@& out of me. Now I load a minimum of 10 rounds then compare the amount of powder in them to make sure I don't make that mistake again. I double or triple double check my reloads through the process to make sure I've not screwed up.

There's a quote in carpentry that says "Measure twice, cut once". That idea applies in reloading as well.
gomer-ez

Bolivar, MO

#11 Jan 12, 2013
Clear Thinker 2oo wrote:
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Yep, always have those books out for reference. Try to reload from memory and eventually your reloading equipment will be on some other guys workbench.
In the beginning I reloaded at the low end of the scale so if I made a mistake it wouldn't be catastrophic. I accidently double dipped a load once and it scared the %$@& out of me. Now I load a minimum of 10 rounds then compare the amount of powder in them to make sure I don't make that mistake again. I double or triple double check my reloads through the process to make sure I've not screwed up.
There's a quote in carpentry that says "Measure twice, cut once". That idea applies in reloading as well.
gomer-ez wrote:

Correction,that would be HP-38.
Never reload from memory

When I wrote that ,I said self(that iswhat I call myself when I talk to me)that does not sound right.so I went to mydocs(where I keep a record of my loads)and sure enough,a possible kaboom.

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#12 Jan 12, 2013
Is this more of a hobby to do or is it truly economical to reload your own ammo? Or .. Are you thinking we better learn it because there will be no ammo to buy?
dear lord

Buffalo Grove, IL

#13 Jan 12, 2013
GTFO Hattie. This thread is for intelligent discussion about reloading. Stop trolling you skankoid.
gomer-ez

Bolivar, MO

#14 Jan 12, 2013
Hatti_Hollerand wrote:
Is this more of a hobby to do or is it truly economical to reload your own ammo? Or .. Are you thinking we better learn it because there will be no ammo to buy?
I have reloaded for years.I would say it is a little of both,hobby and economics.
Once the equipment is purchased,it is cheaper.You can also customize the rounds.
Clear Thinker 2oo

London, KY

#15 Jan 12, 2013
Hatti_Hollerand wrote:
Is this more of a hobby to do or is it truly economical to reload your own ammo?
For me it's therapeutic to reload. It forces me to set aside all other problems and focus on that one task.
Hatti_Hollerand wrote:
is it truly economical to reload your own ammo?
If you count your time the answer is usually no, but if you also enjoy it the answer is ‘sometimes’. If you need ammo that is less popular, in my case I like 45lc, then you can save a lot. They sell more of the popular ammo so it is cheaper and you won’t save as much.

In my experience you can always save at least a little money though, so why not?
Hatti_Hollerand wrote:
Are you thinking we better learn it because there will be no ammo to buy?
This is the bell ringer reason. It’s one more way you can be self sufficient.
Clear Thinker 2oo

London, KY

#16 Jan 12, 2013
gomer-ez wrote:
<quoted text>
gomer-ez wrote:
Correction,that would be HP-38.
Never reload from memory
When I wrote that ,I said self(that iswhat I call myself when I talk to me)that does not sound right.so I went to mydocs(where I keep a record of my loads)and sure enough,a possible kaboom.
Kaboom bad,,, bad kaboom!

I used to call myself 'self' too, as I've gotten older though it's become 'Dumb@$$'! lol
gomer-ez

Bolivar, MO

#17 Jan 12, 2013
Hatti_Hollerand wrote:
Is this more of a hobby to do or is it truly economical to reload your own ammo? Or .. Are you thinking we better learn it because there will be no ammo to buy?
This is just my opion on the political part of your question.The government is going to mandate the making of primers that deteroiate after a given time,leaving them useless.This has been discussed in the past.
I do not shoot as much as I use to,but I keep aprox.6000 primers on hand.
gomer-ez

Bolivar, MO

#18 Jan 12, 2013
Clear Thinker 2oo wrote:
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Kaboom bad,,, bad kaboom!
I used to call myself 'self' too, as I've gotten older though it's become 'Dumb@$$'! lol
Join the crowd.When I first got married it was all those sweet names,now it's my first name,I think.lolI think she put that on our checks.
curious

Milton, WI

#19 Jan 12, 2013
How mant times can you use the same brass, on average?
Clear Thinker 2oo

London, KY

#20 Jan 12, 2013
curious wrote:
How mant times can you use the same brass, on average?
Depends on how hot you load them. I load my plinkers on the low pressure end, they'll last practically indefinately.

My hunting rounds are loaded hot, technically it's possible they can handle only one reload. If you do this be sure to only use them in a weapon that can handle the extra pressure. Rugers and Smiths for example are known for being quality weapons.

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