The Bible is out dated
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#159 Jun 18, 2013
Anti-theist wrote:
Christianity teaches that we are all born wretched sinners, owning an apology for decisions made, without our consent, thousands of years ago. But before we can be redeemed for the crime of being born, God decided that a human sacrifice was necessary.
Atheism is a rejection of this degrading filth, so yes, it would be silly to compare the two.
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and atheism is not a religion. of course, you use the term atheism mostly in reference to the horrid Chrisitian doctrines. There are other versions of a god that are somewhat less horrid. And there are even Christians who minimize the worst of their essential doctrine, and try to find mostly the good ethical precepts*- which of course are shared by people with other religions and no religion -*such as not killing innocents.

a pantheistic view is less horrid, since it merely calls the all by the name of God. it is a good replacement for all inferior versions of a God. it does not make all sorts of awful side claims or have a priesthood.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#160 Jun 18, 2013
Anti-theist wrote:
Yeah, it is easy to come up with ten better "commandments."
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there are only three of the ten which are mostly wise - not to kill, not to steal, and not to bear false witness against (anyone who is innocent of the charge). Issa is a sinner by the last one. too bad there isn't a hell, in that case. Cruz also. if I could count on a wise God to send the horrid people to hell, the case for arewarding-and-punishing God might be more appealing, though not to the extent of being taken seriously.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#161 Jun 18, 2013
pitbullie wrote:
I believe that a more accurate translation would read not bear false witness, instead of not lie.
If you want to be really unpopular, always tell the truth
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yes, whether or not it is a more accurate translation, it is a better ethical standard - not to bear false witness - and not to tell a lie or even use an innuendo or vague statement implying a lie, and meant to be taken in a way that amounts to slander. That is what Congressman Issa does constantly, and Cruz too.

But one should lie to save an innocent from a persecutor, as in the case of the fleeing fugitive slave, or the Jewish girl hiding from Nazi stormtroopers. one should even tell a lie to save a partly guilty being from being punished far beyond what he or she (or it) deserves. I think
I might consider lie to get on a jury that has the option of a death penalty, if I thought the killer was insane and should be put into a mental institution for the criminally insane, instead of getting a death penalty. I do not believe in the death penalty in most cases.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#162 Jun 18, 2013
runner wrote:
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Well, that video is not exactly what it's been edited to seem. No excuse for violence of any degree, but you need to read about what really happened. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christandpopcult...
thank you for posting that link. it is a good example of how the news media is heavily implicated in bearing false witness in how it reports events, and statements, etc. the news media mostly panders to what it thinks is the most profit-making segment of the advertizing and consumer elements of society.

I read it hastily, but it was very important and interesting. thanks again. I think a great deal if nastiness is in response to those who want to provoke the nastiness, and then pretend to be innocents. and the rightwing types are specialists in that, I think. Obviously it was rightwing fanatic Christians who came to the Arab festival with the intent to cause trouble.

Just as not all Muslims should be blamed for the reaction of the hostile young people, not all Christians should be blamed for the actions of rightwing Christian zealots. I was very pleased that one of the more conservative (in the better sense) ministers in our area denounced the type of hostile picketing by the Phelps family and followers (of the play about the Wyoming murder of the young gay man), even though I suspect he himself would be anti-abortion in principle, and probably anti-gay rights or at least anti-gay marriage.

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#163 Jun 18, 2013
"you use the term atheism mostly in reference to the horrid Chrisitian doctrines." Atheism means having no belief in any god. That means all gods and includes the supernatural nonsense that comes with them.

"There are other versions of a god that are somewhat less horrid." Yahweh is indeed horrid. If you want another version of that god, you need to rewrite the Bible. The fact that many Christians today are ashamed of that vile character and pathetically try to reinterpret the text is a sign of progress.
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> and atheism is not a religion. of course, you use the term atheism mostly in reference to the horrid Chrisitian doctrines. There are other versions of a god that are somewhat less horrid. And there are even Christians who minimize the worst of their essential doctrine, and try to find mostly the good ethical precepts*- which of course are shared by people with other religions and no religion -*such as not killing innocents.
a pantheistic view is less horrid, since it merely calls the all by the name of God. it is a good replacement for all inferior versions of a God. it does not make all sorts of awful side claims or have a priesthood.

Since: Apr 10

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#164 Jun 18, 2013
"if I could count on a wise God to send the horrid people to hell, the case for arewarding-and-punishing God might be more appealing"

I guess, but there are very few crimes I can think of that deserve eternal torture.
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> there are only three of the ten which are mostly wise - not to kill, not to steal, and not to bear false witness against (anyone who is innocent of the charge). Issa is a sinner by the last one. too bad there isn't a hell, in that case. Cruz also. if I could count on a wise God to send the horrid people to hell, the case for arewarding-and-punishing God might be more appealing, though not to the extent of being taken seriously.
walt

Pine Knot, KY

#165 Jun 19, 2013
Anti-theist wrote:
"if I could count on a wise God to send the horrid people to hell, the case for arewarding-and-punishing God might be more appealing"
I guess, but there are very few crimes I can think of that deserve eternal torture.
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There's no reference to "eternal torture" that I can find in the Bible so be honest.

Eternal torment is used quite often in reference to the eventual state of those who choose evil such as baby rapers, child molesters, murderers etc. but you may not think that is important.

I will tell you again that any torment will be of our own doing because we will see what we have lost if we choose to do evil and are cut off from God.

God is a god of love but mans lack of understanding has caused some to believe that He would delight in torture/torment which simply is not true.

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#166 Jun 19, 2013
"There's no reference to "eternal torture" that I can find in the Bible so be honest." Eternal lakes of fire, burning furnaces, gnashing of teeth...Jesus, New Testament.

"Eternal torment is used quite often in reference to the eventual state of those who choose evil such as baby rapers, child molesters, murderers etc." In the Bible?

"I will tell you again that any torment will be of our own doing because we will see what we have lost if we choose to do evil and are cut off from God." I've been "cut off" from your god all my life and I'm doing fine without him.

"God is a god of love" Torture and genocide are not love. Also, "love me or else," the idea of compulsory love, is a bit shady.
walt wrote:
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There's no reference to "eternal torture" that I can find in the Bible so be honest.
Eternal torment is used quite often in reference to the eventual state of those who choose evil such as baby rapers, child molesters, murderers etc. but you may not think that is important.
I will tell you again that any torment will be of our own doing because we will see what we have lost if we choose to do evil and are cut off from God.
God is a god of love but mans lack of understanding has caused some to believe that He would delight in torture/torment which simply is not true.

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Since: Nov 08

Corbin Ky.

#167 Jun 19, 2013
AA, FYI, the word 'torture' does not appear in the Bible, KJV. The word 'tortured' appears once in Hebrews and three times in the Apocrypha.

I believe that the "gnashing of teeth" will come when one finds out the repercussions of their choices and actions.

The phrase "gnashing of teeth" only appears in the New Testament, Matthew and Luke for a total of seven times and one must take its use in context to understand exactly what it means.

"Eternal lakes of fire, burning furnaces" are not found in the Bible at all, can you rephrase that as it appears in scripture? "Lake of fire" only appears four times, all in Revelation.

"Torture and genocide are not love". Can you show scripture where God is guilty of that?

Thanks.

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#168 Jun 19, 2013
"AA, FYI, the word 'torture' does not appear in the Bible, KJV. The word 'tortured' appears once in Hebrews and three times in the Apocrypha."

The word "trinity" doesn't appear in the Bible either, but a lot Christians believe in it. What word would you use to describe the Father, Son and Holy Ghost...oh wait, you can't do that because that word isn't used.
wowed wrote:
AA, FYI, the word 'torture' does not appear in the Bible, KJV. The word 'tortured' appears once in Hebrews and three times in the Apocrypha.
I believe that the "gnashing of teeth" will come when one finds out the repercussions of their choices and actions.
The phrase "gnashing of teeth" only appears in the New Testament, Matthew and Luke for a total of seven times and one must take its use in context to understand exactly what it means.
"Eternal lakes of fire, burning furnaces" are not found in the Bible at all, can you rephrase that as it appears in scripture? "Lake of fire" only appears four times, all in Revelation.
"Torture and genocide are not love". Can you show scripture where God is guilty of that?
Thanks.

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Since: Nov 08

Corbin Ky.

#169 Jun 19, 2013
Anti-theist wrote:
"AA, FYI, the word 'torture' does not appear in the Bible, KJV. The word 'tortured' appears once in Hebrews and three times in the Apocrypha."
The word "trinity" doesn't appear in the Bible either, but a lot Christians believe in it. What word would you use to describe the Father, Son and Holy Ghost...oh wait, you can't do that because that word isn't used.
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This is why I usually shy away from any religion debates, too much dancing and no substance. Carry on.

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#170 Jun 19, 2013
That is true. Religion is not evidence-based, so one religion is just as unfounded as another.
wowed wrote:
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This is why I usually shy away from any religion debates, too much dancing and no substance. Carry on.

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#171 Jun 19, 2013
To each his own.
haventt forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#172 Jun 22, 2013
Anti-theist wrote:
"you use the term atheism mostly in reference to the horrid Chrisitian doctrines." Atheism means having no belief in any god. That means all gods and includes the supernatural nonsense that comes with them.
"There are other versions of a god that are somewhat less horrid." Yahweh is indeed horrid. If you want another version of that god, you need to rewrite the Bible. The fact that many Christians today are ashamed of that vile character and pathetically try to reinterpret the text is a sign of progress.
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I know very well what atheism means. I deliberately acknowledge that most of the discussion on topix is about the horrid Christian God, although atheism refers to nonbelief in any god.
I also make the point that you do that many selfidentified Christians are ashamed etc... I appreciate it that you recognize this also. Many of the atheists on topix seem equally hostile to all Christians.
I do not want another version of any God - since I do not believe in any of them. But for other people, if they must have a God to believe in for other psychological reasons (fear of death), I would prefer that they have nicer God that does not threaten hell for nonbelief, and that tells people to be kind, and even that without threat of hell. I do not expect everyone to be a philosopher.
Unitarian

Versailles, KY

#173 Jun 22, 2013
I like what Gloria Steinem said," The truth will set you free, but first it will p*ss you off."
Anti-theist wrote:
Yeah, the truth hurts.
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Annabelle

Manchester, KY

#174 Jun 23, 2013
I think the Bible was intended to be used as a guide, not an absolute. There are a few passages that point to this. Honoring the Ten Commandments is within everyone's power, no matter the date. If a person strives to live by those ten simple rules, they will find their life a lot more fulfilling and complete. A more telling passage is the one that says we should 'live by the laws of the land.' If you combine living within the laws with the Ten Commandments, life should be pretty good. No, I'm not a religious nut. In fact, I haven't been inside a church in years. But I do read and am capable of understanding. Not everything has to e an argument. Common sense means everything.
Oh the Irony

Bellefontaine, OH

#175 Jun 23, 2013
I think the 10 Commandments are outdated. We have legal courts now.

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#176 Jun 23, 2013
"If a person strives to live by those ten simple rules, they will find their life a lot more fulfilling and complete"

What does "thou shalt have no other god before me" have to do with improving the quality of your life? We do know, however, that that commandment has caused a lot of bloodshed.
Annabelle wrote:
I think the Bible was intended to be used as a guide, not an absolute. There are a few passages that point to this. Honoring the Ten Commandments is within everyone's power, no matter the date. If a person strives to live by those ten simple rules, they will find their life a lot more fulfilling and complete. A more telling passage is the one that says we should 'live by the laws of the land.' If you combine living within the laws with the Ten Commandments, life should be pretty good. No, I'm not a religious nut. In fact, I haven't been inside a church in years. But I do read and am capable of understanding. Not everything has to e an argument. Common sense means everything.
Oh the Irony

Bellefontaine, OH

#177 Jun 24, 2013
The thing is, even certain versions of the Bible can not agree on what the 10 Commandments are. Then you have "Leviticus" where people like to cherry pick that homosexuality is a sin, but on the other hand it is ok for them to be clean shaven, tattooed and eat a rare steak which are also considered abominations.

To live life according to the rules in the Bible are absurd and you either practice it in it's entirety or you disregard it as just a guide book for how you wish to interpret it but allow others to interpret it the same way without judgement.

Personally, I'd like to see a Bible with all the BS taken out of it. I may just edit my own version to coincide with today's living.

Since: Apr 10

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#178 Jun 24, 2013
"Personally, I'd like to see a Bible with all the BS taken out of it. I may just edit my own version to coincide with today's living."

Thomas Jefferson has already done most of the work for you. It's called the "Jefferson Bible."
Oh the Irony wrote:
The thing is, even certain versions of the Bible can not agree on what the 10 Commandments are. Then you have "Leviticus" where people like to cherry pick that homosexuality is a sin, but on the other hand it is ok for them to be clean shaven, tattooed and eat a rare steak which are also considered abominations.
To live life according to the rules in the Bible are absurd and you either practice it in it's entirety or you disregard it as just a guide book for how you wish to interpret it but allow others to interpret it the same way without judgement.
Personally, I'd like to see a Bible with all the BS taken out of it. I may just edit my own version to coincide with today's living.

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