Alcohol Sales in Somerset

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Bro Ed High St Baptist

East Bernstadt, KY

#1 Mar 28, 2012
For all of you who want Somerset to sell alcohol I urge you to think about one thing: The very first time that a drunk driver (who purchased alcohol legally in Somerset) hits and kills a child, your selfish vote will be part of that event and you will bear part of that responsibility. The first drunk (who purchased alcohol legally in Somerset) who beats his girlfriend to the point that she later dies in the E.R.; your selfish vote will be part of that event and you will bear part of the responsibility. Oh and the minute that the alcohol lobby gets what they want, do you really think they are going to share much if any of their revenue with you? No, it will go to the political machine. You will see nary a dime of that money. Later when you are wondering where all those dollars went and why our jails are overpopulated and why rape, theft, dui and dui related deaths are skyrocketing, you will only have yourself to blame.

By the way, check the U.S. Census Bureau and you will find that Pulaski County is in fact the only county in more than ten surrounding counties to be above the poverty line. All those regions (minus Boyle County which has Center College and a Huge Manufacturing Base) are dead broke! Alcohol sales have not rescued them. In fact an argument can be made that alcohol only helped further impoverish those communities.

And the sad fact is, this is not my opinion. This is hard scientific fact. Don't believe me? Read it for yourself at: http://www.thecommunityguide.org/alcohol/Effe ...

By the way, you can drink in Somerset right now. You have all the rights you need. All we are realy talking about here is convenience. Why do I have to give up my rights to an alcohol free community which is much safer, convenient and better for my children so that you can party hardy? I remember a time when the Constitution of the United States of America gave deference to majority rule. If you get a majority to vote in alcohol sales in Somerset... More power to you. At the same time, I for one am going to organize as many "no" votes as possible along with as much money possible to mount a major opposition to alcohol sales in Somerset. P.S. this has little to do with religion. This is just plain common sense.

I bear none of you any ill will. But I love Somerset with all my heart. I cannot just stand idly by and watch outsiders destroy our community. Forgive me if I have offended anyone. It is my intention to exercise my right to free speach. I make no personal attacks on anyone. In general, I love all of you. Whether you believe in my cause or not, I believe I am fighting for your family too. Thak you for hearing my plea.

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GUEST

Bearden, AR

#2 Mar 28, 2012
While I disagree with several of your conclusions, I do strongly agree with you that the majority vote should decide this issue. I also strongly agree with and respect the polite and civil tone of your message.

While I support the movement to make Somerset wet, I respect your right to feel differently.

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#3 Mar 28, 2012
I agree with you GUEST that the majority vote should decide the issue, what I dont agree with is that Brother Ed is using his position of authority to mislead people into thinking that they are responsible for any death that happens because of a DUI if Somerset goes wet.

To use that kind of scare tactic is abuse on his part. People look up to him and he is the leader of his church and to try to make people feel like they have been part of a murder is just wrong. Thats like telling a kid that their parent committed suicide because they cried to much.

Everyone is responsible for their own actions. If someone does something illegal and drives drunk and kills another person, then that is their fault and their fault only. Im sure that he has a cell phone and distracted driving also kills people so is it every ones fault that owns a cell phone if someone dies because of that?

He said "The very first time that a drunk driver (who purchased alcohol legally in Somerset) hits and kills a child, your selfish vote will be part of that event and you will bear part of that responsibility." What exactly does that mean? Will God judge them and will they end up in hell for their vote?
Thats right

London, KY

#4 Mar 28, 2012
Bro Ed High St Baptist wrote:
For all of you who want Somerset to sell alcohol I urge you to think about one thing: The very first time that a drunk driver (who purchased alcohol legally in Somerset) hits and kills a child, your selfish vote will be part of that event and you will bear part of that responsibility. The first drunk (who purchased alcohol legally in Somerset) who beats his girlfriend to the point that she later dies in the E.R.; your selfish vote will be part of that event and you will bear part of the responsibility. Oh and the minute that the alcohol lobby gets what they want, do you really think they are going to share much if any of their revenue with you? No, it will go to the political machine. You will see nary a dime of that money. Later when you are wondering where all those dollars went and why our jails are overpopulated and why rape, theft, dui and dui related deaths are skyrocketing, you will only have yourself to blame.
By the way, check the U.S. Census Bureau and you will find that Pulaski County is in fact the only county in more than ten surrounding counties to be above the poverty line. All those regions (minus Boyle County which has Center College and a Huge Manufacturing Base) are dead broke! Alcohol sales have not rescued them. In fact an argument can be made that alcohol only helped further impoverish those communities.
And the sad fact is, this is not my opinion. This is hard scientific fact. Don't believe me? Read it for yourself at: http://www.thecommunityguide.org/alcohol/Effe ...
By the way, you can drink in Somerset right now. You have all the rights you need. All we are realy talking about here is convenience. Why do I have to give up my rights to an alcohol free community which is much safer, convenient and better for my children so that you can party hardy? I remember a time when the Constitution of the United States of America gave deference to majority rule. If you get a majority to vote in alcohol sales in Somerset... More power to you. At the same time, I for one am going to organize as many "no" votes as possible along with as much money possible to mount a major opposition to alcohol sales in Somerset. P.S. this has little to do with religion. This is just plain common sense.
I bear none of you any ill will. But I love Somerset with all my heart. I cannot just stand idly by and watch outsiders destroy our community. Forgive me if I have offended anyone. It is my intention to exercise my right to free speach. I make no personal attacks on anyone. In general, I love all of you. Whether you believe in my cause or not, I believe I am fighting for your family too. Thak you for hearing my plea.
Statistics show that there are more DUI's and alcohol related car accidents in dry counties because people have to drive farther to get their alcohol and they drink in their vehicles. So does that make every one who voted this county dry responsible? Don't you think everyone should each be responsible for their own actions?
Paul Revere

Manchester, KY

#5 Mar 28, 2012
Bro Ed, I respect your right to your opinion but, like many others who fight the "dry" fight, you would have us believe that because alcohol isn't sold in Somerset, it must not be here.
Somerset has long been known as the wettest "dry" city in southern Kentucky. At one time I worked in Richmond and hardly a day went by that I didn't see 2-3 cars with "Pulaski" tags in the parking lot at a liquor store as I drove by. Obviously, locals were making the drive north to purchase items they couldn't legally get in Somerset.

You are very wrong when you claim locals won't see "nary a dime of that money." from alcohol sales. By law, state and local taxes can and must be collected on all alcohol sales.
You also contradicted yourself when you said that citizens of Somerset "can drink in Somerset right now." and then claim you live in an "alcohol free community." So, which is it?
Finally, you say "You have all the rights you need."
Really? What exactly gives you the right to determine how few or how many rights I can enjoy???
That's a pretty high opinion of yourself don't you think?

Now, I am going to ask you a question. Will you and other local Pastors who have declared their intent to fight against legalized alcohol sales, put as much energy, time and money into the fight against illicit drugs in our town?

I am a Christian and firmly believe God intended us to partake of everything in moderation. I think that includes wine or alcohol if you will. We are specifically instructed to not become drunkards. However, didn't Timothy suggest wine instead of water for stomach ailments?
God gave us all free will and the ability to think & choose for ourselves. At the same time he gave us laws to live by. Do those two things not go hand in hand?

“Boogie Chill'un”

Level 6

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#6 Mar 29, 2012
Paul Revere wrote:
Bro Ed, I respect your right to your opinion but, like many others who fight the "dry" fight, you would have us believe that because alcohol isn't sold in Somerset, it must not be here.
Somerset has long been known as the wettest "dry" city in southern Kentucky. At one time I worked in Richmond and hardly a day went by that I didn't see 2-3 cars with "Pulaski" tags in the parking lot at a liquor store as I drove by. Obviously, locals were making the drive north to purchase items they couldn't legally get in Somerset.
You are very wrong when you claim locals won't see "nary a dime of that money." from alcohol sales. By law, state and local taxes can and must be collected on all alcohol sales.
You also contradicted yourself when you said that citizens of Somerset "can drink in Somerset right now." and then claim you live in an "alcohol free community." So, which is it?
Finally, you say "You have all the rights you need."
Really? What exactly gives you the right to determine how few or how many rights I can enjoy???
That's a pretty high opinion of yourself don't you think?
Now, I am going to ask you a question. Will you and other local Pastors who have declared their intent to fight against legalized alcohol sales, put as much energy, time and money into the fight against illicit drugs in our town?
I am a Christian and firmly believe God intended us to partake of everything in moderation. I think that includes wine or alcohol if you will. We are specifically instructed to not become drunkards. However, didn't Timothy suggest wine instead of water for stomach ailments?
God gave us all free will and the ability to think & choose for ourselves. At the same time he gave us laws to live by. Do those two things not go hand in hand?
Bravo Paul, and well said. I especially like the paragraph about the illicit drugs. While meth runs RAMPANT in Pulaski Co., folks are riled up about beer? REALLY? It's time to move into the 21st century, we have MUCH bigger things to worry about than people buying beer and taking it home to enjoy at their weekend bar-b-q. You had a very well thought out post, as you always do......but this tim we agree! LOL!

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#7 Mar 29, 2012
Bro Ed High St Baptist wrote:
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By the way, check the U.S. Census Bureau and you will find that Pulaski County is in fact the only county in more than ten surrounding counties to be above the poverty line. All those regions (minus Boyle County which has Center College and a Huge Manufacturing Base) are dead broke! Alcohol sales have not rescued them. In fact an argument can be made that alcohol only helped further impoverish those communities.
And the sad fact is, this is not my opinion. This is hard scientific fact. Don't believe me? Read it for yourself at: http://www.thecommunityguide.org/alcohol/Effe ...
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This part of you post is also misleading, well pretty much just a lie. Pulaski is surrounded by seven counties, non of which sells alcohol. Laurel has a moist vote which doesnt really do a lot of good since there are only a couple places that are allowed to serve alcohol. Those places are always busy tho and Im sure the people that work there are glad to have a job.

Boyle county is the only county nearby that sells alcohol but you couldnt use them to prove your point so you made excuses for why they are doing so well. Then you say "alcohol only helped further impoverish those communities." How is that if they never sold it?

Maybe you should name the ten counties you are talking about because my map isn't showing what you're saying. Here's a link to the map I used, maybe there's another one I didn't know about. Why would you lie about something like this?

http://www.google.com/imgres...

“Boogie Chill'un”

Level 6

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#8 Mar 29, 2012
--MAMMON-- wrote:
<quoted text>
This part of you post is also misleading, well pretty much just a lie. Pulaski is surrounded by seven counties, non of which sells alcohol. Laurel has a moist vote which doesnt really do a lot of good since there are only a couple places that are allowed to serve alcohol. Those places are always busy tho and Im sure the people that work there are glad to have a job.
Boyle county is the only county nearby that sells alcohol but you couldnt use them to prove your point so you made excuses for why they are doing so well. Then you say "alcohol only helped further impoverish those communities." How is that if they never sold it?
Maybe you should name the ten counties you are talking about because my map isn't showing what you're saying. Here's a link to the map I used, maybe there's another one I didn't know about. Why would you lie about something like this?
http://www.google.com/imgres...
Why would a "man of God" lie period? Looks like someone is throwing rocks in a glass house. This Christian can drink a beer on the weekend, kick a drug habit from several years back, not lie to ya, not steal from ya, not bang ya wife, and not judge ya as a result of my own shortcomings and wrongdoing from my past and mistakes I will make. Too bad most "Christians" around here want to talk about splinters in others' eyes, while ignoring the 2 x 4 in their own eyes!

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#9 Mar 29, 2012
JumperJuice wrote:
<quoted text>Why would a "man of God" lie period? Looks like someone is throwing rocks in a glass house. This Christian can drink a beer on the weekend, kick a drug habit from several years back, not lie to ya, not steal from ya, not bang ya wife, and not judge ya as a result of my own shortcomings and wrongdoing from my past and mistakes I will make. Too bad most "Christians" around here want to talk about splinters in others' eyes, while ignoring the 2 x 4 in their own eyes!
Im not even a Christian and I can do the same as well. If you learn from your past mistakes then I dont consider them mistakes at all.

Here's my prediction, Bro Ed will read these replies and since they dont agree with him, instead of changing what he says he will just not post here any more. He will still go on telling people what he knows is a lie to all those that dont know better. To me that is a complete abuse of power.

Then again I could be wrong and he will continue posting here and try to explain off his lies. Either way have you read his link in his post? Its somewhat of a difficult read and is pretty boring for most. One part does mention this, "Finally, decreased density increases distances traveled to and from alcohol outlets, thus increasing the potential for alcohol-related crashes. However, this potential harm could be mitigated by decreased alcohol consumption and hence decreased alcohol-impaired driving. Thus, the expected effect of outlet density on motor-vehicle crashes may be mixed."

I wonder if he has anymore links to back up his claims?
Knowitall9

London, KY

#10 Mar 29, 2012
Local option issues brings out the preachers like a yard sale brings out bargain hunters - Cut off their salaries , freee rent , freee utilities , gas allowance , and clothing allowance , then let them have the option of working for a living , instead of specializing in bully pulpit tactics -Drinkers tithe too -

“Boogie Chill'un”

Level 6

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#11 Mar 29, 2012
--MAMMON-- wrote:
<quoted text>
Im not even a Christian and I can do the same as well. If you learn from your past mistakes then I dont consider them mistakes at all.
Here's my prediction, Bro Ed will read these replies and since they dont agree with him, instead of changing what he says he will just not post here any more. He will still go on telling people what he knows is a lie to all those that dont know better. To me that is a complete abuse of power.
Then again I could be wrong and he will continue posting here and try to explain off his lies. Either way have you read his link in his post? Its somewhat of a difficult read and is pretty boring for most. One part does mention this, "Finally, decreased density increases distances traveled to and from alcohol outlets, thus increasing the potential for alcohol-related crashes. However, this potential harm could be mitigated by decreased alcohol consumption and hence decreased alcohol-impaired driving. Thus, the expected effect of outlet density on motor-vehicle crashes may be mixed."
I wonder if he has anymore links to back up his claims?
I guess you could call me an open minded Christian. I think Science can back up the bible and vice versa. Maybe some images can be proven to be natural phenomena, but if you believe in the Lord, then you beleive he is repsonsible for that scientific occurance and therefore, it very well could have been a direct sign from him. You also have archeological findings that substantiate the Bible's claims, including lumber on a mountain top believed to be wood from Noah's Ark. Native Americans used God given hallucinogens to get in contact with their spiritual realm.....who's to say some folks from the Old Testament didn't do the same thing. Some things WERE miracles, no other explanation. There are all sorts of things that can be discussed on these matters if you're just open to it.....perhaps another time, another place.

All that said, I ain't no saint, but I beleive what the Good Book tells me. I believe in the morals it teaches, and my children will go to Church like I did and learn its teachings. Not crammed down our throats, mind you, but nurtured.....as they become adults, it'll be up to them, it's called free will. I agree with most of what you're saying, it IS a fear campaign based on fear and lies, not science, the Bible, or truth. It IS an abuse of power, the faith is supposed to be based on free will, controlling and domineering is not free will. I have not read the link, it won't work for me.....I just assumed it was a right wing sponsored site and no more useful than what Bill Maher or Keith Olberman has to say about Christians. Where is the happy medium in all of this crap?

Level 5

Since: Mar 12

Middlesboro, KY

#12 Mar 29, 2012
@Bro Ed - As do others, I respect your right to free speech and your civil discourse. However, I do take issue with a common fallacy among fundamentalists and religious zealots who believe that exercising your power to vote somehow confers responsibility for someone's sin to a voter. In this case, there is no Biblical basis for the idea that voting wet with the intention that the economic gains will alleviate poverty, thereby alleviating all the suffering and abuse that goes with it, in any measure, somehow confers a portion of the sin someone commits by driving drunk and killing someone to that voter. God, if you believe in the God of the Bible, looks at the decisions and actions of the individual, not the individual as part of the political aggregate and dividing sin accordingly. How would that even work?

As others have pointed out, alcohol is only sold as is being proposed, in Boyle County. The counties surrounding Pulaski County all have high poverty rates for various reasons, one of which is certainly not God's retort for voting to go wet/moist. If that were the case, Boyle County would be the poorest of them all.

One last point. Living in a dry or wet county is not a right in the strict sense of the term. You have a right to a personal freedom. You do not have a right to maintain the status quo in a community that fits your moral vision unless the majority of voters also agree with you. So, for example, someone could claim "I have the right to live in an unsegregated school system". That is obviously incorrect. This misuse of the term is not helpful to the discussion.

Consider the following. Others have linked a very credible study in Corbin which showed that the incidence of drunk driving declined after the community went moist, presumably because people were driving less to get alcohol. Using the "my vote transfers a sinner's sin to me if the result of my vote enabled the sin" scenario and that the blood of innocent victims of drunk driving are on your hands for voting dry. That does not seem fair does it? We vote for what we think is best for our community based on the data we have. Voting for the way you think people should behave is a different story entirely.
Bro Ed High St Baptist

East Bernstadt, KY

#13 Mar 29, 2012
--MAMMON-- wrote:
I agree with you GUEST that the majority vote should decide the issue, what I dont agree with is that Brother Ed is using his position of authority to mislead people into thinking that they are responsible for any death that happens because of a DUI if Somerset goes wet.
To use that kind of scare tactic is abuse on his part. People look up to him and he is the leader of his church and to try to make people feel like they have been part of a murder is just wrong. Thats like telling a kid that their parent committed suicide because they cried to much.
Everyone is responsible for their own actions. If someone does something illegal and drives drunk and kills another person, then that is their fault and their fault only. Im sure that he has a cell phone and distracted driving also kills people so is it every ones fault that owns a cell phone if someone dies because of that?
He said "The very first time that a drunk driver (who purchased alcohol legally in Somerset) hits and kills a child, your selfish vote will be part of that event and you will bear part of that responsibility." What exactly does that mean? Will God judge them and will they end up in hell for their vote?
MAMMON,
It is not just my opinion that people who open the floodgates to intoxication are morally responsible in part for the damage it causes. For example, did you know in the Commonwealth of Kentucky, if someone comes to your bar and over consumes, then leaves and is involved in any dui related incident, you can be held liable? Why? Because you helped to provide the alcohol which the intoxicated person ingested. Why is it such a far stretch to apply that same logic on a moral basis to those who make alcohol available for consumption by their vote? As far as the "God will judge them and they will go to hell..." comment, not only is that irresponsible of you to pin on me (I have not yet brought the bible to bare on this subject) I do not judge anyone, not even myself. I am in this battle to protect innocent citizens from certain problems which will result if the alcohol lobby wins in Somerset. Please keep your comments civil. I am not angry with you personally. Please don't use ad hominem attacks. They are ugly and only make it seem you have nothing of actual substance to contribute so you fall back on personal attack. I promise not to attack you personally regardless. I make no apologies for attacking alcohol though. Blessings!
Bro Ed High St Baptist

East Bernstadt, KY

#14 Mar 29, 2012
Thats right wrote:
<quoted text>Statistics show that there are more DUI's and alcohol related car accidents in dry counties because people have to drive farther to get their alcohol and they drink in their vehicles. So does that make every one who voted this county dry responsible? Don't you think everyone should each be responsible for their own actions?
That's right,
I posted statistics from the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control which present exactly the opposite evidence. May I ask what statistics you are citing? I would like to examine them. Thank You.
Gina

Hazard, KY

#15 Mar 29, 2012
GUEST wrote:
While I disagree with several of your conclusions, I do strongly agree with you that the majority vote should decide this issue. I also strongly agree with and respect the polite and civil tone of your message.
While I support the movement to make Somerset wet, I respect your right to feel differently.
I agree with you all the way. I also voted no on facebook & have been trying to make my friends who live in the city limits aware & be prepared. I also read your touching acticle in the CWJ ,Thanks & take comfort in knowing many others are ralling with you, even if you don't know us. I am part of the Living Bread Soup Kitchen & I want to help people not put them in the bondage of all that alcohol brings.
Bro Ed High St Baptist

East Bernstadt, KY

#16 Mar 29, 2012
--MAMMON-- wrote:
<quoted text>
This part of you post is also misleading, well pretty much just a lie. Pulaski is surrounded by seven counties, non of which sells alcohol. Laurel has a moist vote which doesnt really do a lot of good since there are only a couple places that are allowed to serve alcohol. Those places are always busy tho and Im sure the people that work there are glad to have a job.
Boyle county is the only county nearby that sells alcohol but you couldnt use them to prove your point so you made excuses for why they are doing so well. Then you say "alcohol only helped further impoverish those communities." How is that if they never sold it?
Maybe you should name the ten counties you are talking about because my map isn't showing what you're saying. Here's a link to the map I used, maybe there's another one I didn't know about. Why would you lie about something like this?
http://www.google.com/imgres...
You know, calling me a liar is very convenient. You are right in one respect, in my lifetime I have told lies: little white ones and big whoppers. I remember one time my mom asked me if I had thrown rotton tomatoes at some neighborhood children... "NOPE!" I said; knowing full well I had red stained, smelly fingers! LOL I have lied in my lifetime because I am not perfect. However, about the issues I have written about concerning alcohol sales, I have NOT lied. In fact, I have backed up everything I have said with personal testimony, scientific facts, common sense and logic. I even have gone so far as to post my actual name so that you know who I am and how to get in touch with me if you want to discuss things. If you ask me, I am being as transparent as anyone has been on topix as far as I can see. Before you condemn me as a "Man of God" or make liable accusations such as that I "mislead people" or that I "Use my position of respect and authority to mislead people..." or whatever all of you have written, why not just dialogue with me on a point for point basis? Why is it that anytime a person mentions good, well thought out, salient issues, instead of providing factual counterpoints and clear logic, people always have to make exaggerative statments, lable, bemoan, besmirch and ridicule? Please, I would like to have an honest dialogue. I think I can win on facts without having to appeal to the Bible or personal attacks. I am already making concessions to meet you.
Bro Ed High St Baptist

East Bernstadt, KY

#17 Mar 29, 2012
--MAMMON-- wrote:
<quoted text>
This part of you post is also misleading, well pretty much just a lie. Pulaski is surrounded by seven counties, non of which sells alcohol. Laurel has a moist vote which doesnt really do a lot of good since there are only a couple places that are allowed to serve alcohol. Those places are always busy tho and Im sure the people that work there are glad to have a job.
Boyle county is the only county nearby that sells alcohol but you couldnt use them to prove your point so you made excuses for why they are doing so well. Then you say "alcohol only helped further impoverish those communities." How is that if they never sold it?
Maybe you should name the ten counties you are talking about because my map isn't showing what you're saying. Here's a link to the map I used, maybe there's another one I didn't know about. Why would you lie about something like this?
http://www.google.com/imgres...
By the way, here is the map I was referring to which is based exclusively on US Census data and which also clearly shows Pulaski County is not in the poverty zone while nearly every county around us is. http://www.rupri.org/Forms/Kentucky2.pdf

Thanks for allowing me an opportunity again to defend myself.
BLessings!
just me

Chicago, IL

#18 Mar 29, 2012
Bro Ed High St Baptist wrote:
<quoted text>By the way, here is the map I was referring to which is based exclusively on US Census data and which also clearly shows Pulaski County is not in the poverty zone while nearly every county around us is. http://www.rupri.org/Forms/Kentucky2.pdf

Thanks for allowing me an opportunity again to defend myself.
BLessings!
Brother Ed,

I really don't think arguing your point of view here on topix (a gossip platform) presents a good example. I have visited your church and feel you would do better as a pastor, man of god, or just a moral person to stay away from this type of forum. This "in your face" scare tactics that many use today is what gives us Christians a bad name and does nothing to promote Jesus Christ or the Kingdom of God. This is an important issue. However, this forum won't win you or fellow Christians any respect.
Frakeenstew

Big Creek, KY

#19 Mar 29, 2012
MAMMON,
It is not just my opinion that people who open the floodgates to intoxication are morally responsible in part for the damage it causes. For example, did you know in the Commonwealth of Kentucky, if someone comes to your bar and over consumes, then leaves and is involved in any dui related incident, you can be held liable? Why? Because you helped to provide the alcohol which the intoxicated person ingested.

Brother Ed sounds like a politician....initially holding the voter accountable for the DUI then citing an example that inst quite as applicable fore one is directly giving the alcohol to a person that you can monitor and see has had to much and one (the voter) is indirectly involved.

According to the Corbin Times Tribune:
Kentucky State Police records show an interesting trend in the number of alcohol-related vehicle crashes in the area — dry counties generally have higher rates of DUI-related crashes than their “moist” neighbours.

But you have access to this question via your computer (as simple as google) so obviously you do not really want to view the merits of dissenting opinion. The world health organization really? As if they are specific to the US or Kentucky.

Using your line of reasoning no store should sell guns either because some will use them for the wrong reasons/purposes. So penalise the responsible majority because of the negligence of the few.

I respectfully disagree with you on virtually every level but thank you for your contributions to the discussion/debate all the same.
Facts

Lexington, KY

#20 Mar 29, 2012

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