Save the Pulaski County Public Library Stop the petition

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I love Books

Somerset, KY

#1 Nov 4, 2012
Please view all the facts about the petition before you sign it and contact your Library.If you have already signed this and realize you were mislead about it,contact the library and they will tell you how to get your name removed from the petition. Folks get involved in this,I know the majority of this county does not want to see all 5 branches of our library closed.Think of all of the kids that can't afford to go out and buy books,we can not take away a place they can check out books to further their education.
What

United States

#2 Nov 4, 2012
Where do I go to sign it? I think it's to straighten out the funding for the library, not to close it. Isn't the petition to stop people from wasting money that was meant for the library?
Barney

Somerset, KY

#3 Nov 4, 2012
I love Books wrote:
Please view all the facts about the petition before you sign it and contact your Library.If you have already signed this and realize you were mislead about it,contact the library and they will tell you how to get your name removed from the petition. Folks get involved in this,I know the majority of this county does not want to see all 5 branches of our library closed.Think of all of the kids that can't afford to go out and buy books,we can not take away a place they can check out books to further their education.
You need to get your facts straight. No one wants to close the library. They simply want the library to be accountable to the tax payers, just as the rest of government is. The law that allows for the creation of independent taxing districts needs to be changed. No government entity should have a blank check.
TeaPayer

Chicago, IL

#4 Nov 4, 2012
Save the library, Privatize the library! Hire www.lssi.com to manage it. Save millions and enhance services.

http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_15967278

Additionally, city officials believe they can contract with a Maryland-based management company, Library Systems and Services, LLC., to operate the three facilities for $3.9million a year.(Saving 2.7 million)

Keeping the additional money would give the libraries a bigger book budget and allow them to stay open on Sundays and expand hours on weekdays, Ortiz said.
I love Books

Somerset, KY

#5 Nov 4, 2012
Read this to get your facts straight!

http://www.pulaskipubliclibrary.org/petition/
TeaPayer

Chicago, IL

#6 Nov 4, 2012
I love books too. Privatize the library and get more books and more open hours. www.lssi.com

"Keeping the additional money would give the libraries a bigger book budget and allow them to stay open on Sundays and expand hours on weekdays, Ortiz said."

http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_15967278
Buddah

London, KY

#7 Nov 4, 2012
Where do I sign to save the taxpayer from gross irresponsibility?

Level 5

Since: Mar 12

Somerset, KY

#8 Nov 4, 2012
I haven't been up on the topixing as much in the past few days so let me clear up a few issues. First, wordpress.com is a hosting platform for the open source blogging platform Wordpress, not a source. If the NYT has a blog on wordpress.com then the NYT is the source. Evaluating wordpress.com as a source of information makes about as much sense as evaluating books, as a whole, as a source of information. It's neither good nor bad. As far as making claims without sources, yes, that is a rhetorical mistake unless the sources for the claim are widely known and agreed upon by everyone. We are always making claims. We only have to provide information on the ones of which there is disagreement.

Privatization, one of the pillars of religious Capitalism, is not the answer here. In this particular case, LSSI has no competition. It is the only private company managing libraries. Also, the "profit" LSSI derives is from tax payers, not consumers. It is similar to other government contractors, except in this field, there is no competition. It would be similar to contracting Hinkle to build your roads if Hinkle were the only contractor in existence. Efficiency, in the case of LSSI, is derived from staff cuts:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/27/business/27...

In essence, it is not privatization at all. It would be exactly the same as me creating a firm which manages libraries and then having PC to hire me to manage everything. In essence, I am just replacing the director. There are no market forces shaping the efficiency of the service, the quality of the service or anything else.

This is where the discussion turns to another of the pillars of religious Capitalism which is the governmental services are necessarily more inefficient than private counterparts. It is such a cornerstone of free market religion that doubting it qualifies one as a socialist. However, is it empirically true? If governments are always more efficient than the private sector, we should be able to prove it right? Well, that question never makes it on FOX News but researchers have asked the question and found that government outsourcing typically increases inefficiency. Again, this is mostly related to governmental contracting and shielding the private company from market forces by deriving efficiency from tax dollars by reducing staff, materials, etc. Here is an article on that report:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/13/us/13contra...

There is also another interesting issue here which is that of volunteerism and altruism in the library system. Quite a bit of what goes on in the library is altruistic. This particular issue has come up quite a bit in Economics recently because of a surprising finding in software development which is that Open Source software (an umbrella term for different types of development but in general, software written by volunteers) is often better than software written and maintained by corporations. A good example would be in servers with LAMP (Linux servers, an open source Operating System) taking over the market from Windows Servers. Essentially, a product created entirely by volunteers in their spare time has replaced a product created for profit. This happened in Encyclopedias as well with Wikipedia and on phones with Android. By the same token, libraries, because they rely on altruism, are more efficient than for-profit constructs. The mantra that profit and privatization are the only paths to efficiency in the market is simply incorrect.

I would just also add that Economics has progressed quite a bit in the past decade in this particular area. There are a number of ways to get caught up on it. You can find great materials from the Teaching Company, Coursera or Open Coureware from MIT.(Posting this to the other thread as well since there are so many)
well

Dahlonega, GA

#9 Nov 4, 2012
Have to ask, why let an outside source that is hundred of miles away operate a local library? That is just a middle man (company) taking over what the local goverment entity could be doing. Any time you see an outside source claiming to let them run your operation is merely letting a middle man take over, which guarantee that middle man (company) will be making a profit, they don't do work for nothing. Sure they may show they can save a few bucks, but all those savings will not go back into the infastructure as they claim, they will want their cut of the profit savings. Anytime someone is so quick to show how they can do this or that, is giving one heck of a sales pitch to entice you to jump on the bandwagon, and if it goes into a contract....good by cost savings and hello profittering at your expense. The cost savings will be going toward their fees and salaries. If they plan to have longer hours to the daily operaions such as weekends, those salaries to do so and the daily expenditures will be more...electric has to be paid ya know.

“One day at a time”

Level 6

Since: Oct 12

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#10 Nov 4, 2012
Never did like petitions.
TeaPayer

Chicago, IL

#11 Nov 4, 2012
WalMart, Cracker Barrel, Bob Evans, Kmart etc... operate out of nationwide corporate offices and run very efficiently. They also employ lots of pulaski county residents. Ewww, evil corporations....

I would think Maryland would do a much better job managing the library from an objective standpoint. Local backslapping be damned.

I'm LSSI.com all the way. Might even buy some stock in them. I see a trend.
TeaPayer

Chicago, IL

#12 Nov 4, 2012
Sidenote: DW Wilburn would probably not get the construction work if an outside firm took the bids.
iBox

Sheridan, AR

#13 Nov 4, 2012
They tore two perfectly good buildings down that could have been refurbished to build that library. They get the amount of tax money they want in order to keep it running. They get raises when private companies and individuals who WORK for the money to pay library taxes with don't get raises yet they want more and more and more. I say shut it down till they become accountable and start producing something of some kind of value. Then we (the taxpayers) can talk about how best to fun and run it

Level 5

Since: Mar 12

Somerset, KY

#14 Nov 4, 2012
TeaPayer wrote:
WalMart, Cracker Barrel, Bob Evans, Kmart etc... operate out of nationwide corporate offices and run very efficiently. They also employ lots of pulaski county residents. Ewww, evil corporations....
I would think Maryland would do a much better job managing the library from an objective standpoint. Local backslapping be damned.
I'm LSSI.com all the way. Might even buy some stock in them. I see a trend.
I am assuming you didn't read the post so I will summarize a few points. There is nothing to indicate that it would be superior to the local library, nothing at all. If I created a firm, Library Capitalists Club and offered to manage libraries, your blind faith in privatization would also compel you to invest in my services, which would definitely be a mistake on your part. LLC is 21 years old and remains the only privatized library system. If that is what you would call a trend, I am sure they would be glad to take your money and run with it. I would also encourage you to consider looking at objective data before writing checks.

As far as Wal-Mart and Bob Evans go, they have competition and market forces which shape their efficiency. LSSI does not. If Bob Evans doesn't provide great food at a great price and IHOP does then they lose market share to IHOP. LSSI doesn't lose market share other than by turning library systems back over to the citizens, which has happened quite a few times. Wal-Mart, Bob Evans, K-Mart, Apple, Amazon, etc have nothing in common with LSSI. It's not similar. They have consumers. LSSI does not.

Level 5

Since: Mar 12

Somerset, KY

#15 Nov 4, 2012
*LSSI is 21 years old . . .
Mck

Hopkinsville, KY

#16 Nov 4, 2012
Barney wrote:
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You need to get your facts straight. No one wants to close the library. They simply want the library to be accountable to the tax payers, just as the rest of government is. The law that allows for the creation of independent taxing districts needs to be changed. No government entity should have a blank check.
If the tax IS repealed the library will close, according to Kentucky state law. Then, you still have to pay off the tax; the tax will still be in place. Everything in the library and the building will be sold and until the library's debt is paid off you cannot open another special taxing district and restart the library. If you want to sign the petition think and please check all the facts you are given.
"State Librarian and KDLA Commissioner Wayne Onkst said the current special taxing system is working well, and he said the board’s members are citizens themselves who work hard to ensure the library operates as it should.
And Onkst said dissolving the board and re-creating it under fiscal court, once the debt is paid off, would be a mistake.
“The one thing they wanted to do (when the state’s library system was created) was to keep politics out of the library,” said Onkst.“The way we go about this ... we don’t want the fiscal court running the library.”
“I like the way this system works,” Onkst continued.“Library boards are the last true citizen pieces of government.”
http://somerset-kentucky.com/newslive/x109552...
Mck

Hopkinsville, KY

#17 Nov 4, 2012
Buddah wrote:
Where do I sign to save the taxpayer from gross irresponsibility?
Barbra Sanders is in charge of the petition. However, IF you sign it the library will close, so I suggest that you check all your facts and reconsider signing. Also, the tax (if you own $100,000 of property) is $64 a year. It isn't that much, and it's gone up a tenth a cent(One dollar, so $63 per year on every $100,000 of property.)this year. The library's budget is 2.2 million dollars a year and the tax is the only source of funding for it. Also, consider this: The health department's tax is higher.
brian

Somerset, KY

#18 Nov 4, 2012
Where were everyone's opinions when this new library was to be built? It is easy to say I do not like this when the task is said and done. If you opposed the type of funding chosen by this board (the General Option bond) why did you not do
something about it when it was in the planning stages? Living here and raising children, this
library offers oportunites that we do not get otherwise. Everyone makes this sound like it is a cut and dry case. If you own a home worth $100,000 your yearly cost is around $64.00 in taxes that will be paid to the library. I pay more to the school system, that I do not use. Why do I have to pay so much to them? No one challenges this! So If I start a petition to desolve taxes paid to the school systems because I feel they pay teachers and the lunch staff to much; Will I get this far? Can my far reaching claims shut them down?
Does no one see what will cruedly affect the many?
Who speaks for the children whom need this library
system???????What do they do when they have no where to go to keep them safe and out of trouble?
If you do not use this library you would not understand how far reaching they are in the community. Do you realize how many children they feed food to each year?????????? that would not otherwise be fed?
As a home owner I spend more money a year eating out, going to a movie, buying a board game, a newspaper, and a magazine. How does $64.00 a year make these few people bankrupt? Yes, the amount of
money will increase if a few do not pay their property taxes. How does that fit into the equation here? I do not see the way it is being portraid that these board members are getting rich off my tax monies.
I do not want to have to pay 9,000,000,000.00 for a
building, computers, and books I cannot use. This seems alot like a Forclosure. But in a forclosure their is unpaid debt. This debt is to be paid over time. I do not want to pay this off for the next 100 years.
Mck

Hopkinsville, KY

#19 Nov 4, 2012
I love reading,I love books, I love my library! I hope she (Barbra Sanders, the person in charge of the petition) doesn't turn it in tomorrow! The library would close! We can't let this happen! Support your library! Don't sign the petition for the common good of Pulaski County!

“This is really not a library where you can rent out books for a week or two, it’s a cultural institution and a wonderful asset to this wonderful community that we have here in Somerset, Ky.” said Chris McNevin.
Quote from:
http://somerset-kentucky.com/newslive/x109552...
ABC

Corbin, KY

#20 Nov 4, 2012
Our Library is great! No Changes needed. I would love to pay higher taxes and support our library.

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