Drug testing for SSI and Welfare what do you think

Created by Wondering on Mar 15, 2009

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Big_BEN

London, KY

#110 Mar 18, 2009
Hmm wrote:
<quoted text>Get a clue, they aren't talking about the ones that truely need it or that have fell on hard times because of our economy, they are talking about the ones that abuse the system and make the system a way of life. Read before you jump
You are right!!!!

Thanks for pointing the facts out!!!
Hmm

United States

#111 Mar 18, 2009
They aren't talking about the ones that truely need it or deserve it, they are talking about the people that make it a way of life, the ones that are too lazy to get a job and abuse the system. I'm sorry about what you have been threw and i hope things get better for you and your family. People just want the ones that abuse the system to be stopped. There are many people out there that can't even get the help when they need it and have worked all of there life, now how fair is it to those people? It's not fair they have paid into that and deserve the help if they need it. Coming up with drug testing and some kind of debit card would take the ones out of the system that are just there for a handout and maybe this would help make sure that children would atleast have food and clothes. Atleast the government would know what there benifits are being spent on, it doesn't mean these people will actually feed there kids but atleast they do have food and the parents cant spend the benifits on drugs. Its a system that has needed fixed for along time and there are ways to monitor this and needs to be done. If something isn't done the people that work everyday may not have anything to retire to when the time comes and that would be very wrong

Since: Oct 07

Bellingham

#112 Mar 18, 2009
why noy wrote:
<quoted text> Well Rick 69 let me tell you i have 2 children 13 and 11 and i have never got any assistance from the government no food stamps no medical cards no wic and I'm a high school drop out i have worked 40 hrs+ since 1990 and worked 2 job for a total of 80hrs for the last 3yrs and i now own my own business and on most of these jobs i was tested and was clean so i was not talking about the ones that don't pay taxes I know i have paid plenty i just think if they can get into my private affairs they should be able to get into the private affairs of the ones that get the tax dollars, free food, free medical care, free rent, and whatever else they get handed to them!
What does any of that have to do with anything I said? I don't care if you have 2 kids or 30, having kids don't magically make you a better person. In reality if you work 80 hours a week you are probably a terrible parent because you kids don't really know you. you're a good provider of money but that's it. Now if you are a single parent doing all of this you are a really sucky parent because your kids are probably being raised by a daycare. Now, ifyou are a parent with the other parent at home then, again you are a good monitary provider but that's probably it. Oh, if you didn't want me to make assumptions about your life that you probably don't like you shouldn't have brought them into this.

Since: Oct 07

Bellingham

#113 Mar 18, 2009
jlmiller wrote:
<quoted text>
Uh Rick, not so. Obtaining federal or state aid does not impede on rights. Nor should it ever. You don't seem to think in anything but black and white. This is a slippery slope issue. You allow the government access into the private lives of citizens, whether or not they are getting aid, and next thing you know, the government is in your business when you bought a specific car or when you've used your credit card to much. How about all of those cash advances on the credit card, hmm, could be buying drugs...better test them.
Regardless of how you feel about people receiving aid, once we start down the slippery slope, sometimes there is nothing to catch ourselves on.
Remember the patriot act?
What's 'not so'? I realize that getting aid doesn't infringe rights right now. What I'm saying is that it should. If you want my money (tax money) as your income then you need to be held under strict regulations. Drug tests, spending monitoring, etc. If you don't like it stay the hell off of welfare.
Oh, and the government is in your lives already. The only difference is the way they are in your lives now you volunteer for. You register your vehicle, so they already know what kind of car you drive. You file your taxes so they know how much you make, you claim deductions on taxes (itimizing) so they know where some of your money is going. There are other examples, the difference is my idea will help protect those (the tax payer) who have no choice in how these deadbeat welfare losers spend their (tax payer) money.

Since: Oct 07

Bellingham

#114 Mar 18, 2009
chatterbox54 wrote:
"Obama_Hater", Thank you for letting me know it was one of my BEST POSTS.-I try to make good posts. I get upset when people say cruel things to people, not thinking what the person might have gone through or may be going through. I'm 100% sure some people lie to get help, but I don't know the whole situation and.......
Wow, that was quite a post. What I find entertaining is that you still say god bless...
Anyway, I hope you get better and are able to live the rest of your life happily.
Tierd

United States

#115 Mar 18, 2009
May be another thing the government could do is make these girls that pop out kids for extra money so they dont have to work, have there tubes tied then f they want to have other children they have to pay to have there tubes untied. These people do nothing but breed more and more children just so they can have extra benifits and ont have to work. How the hell these people just sit around and figure, "hey lets have another baby and we can get an extra $100 bucks in foodstamps and welfare" then they hit the bedroom and act like rabbits just so they can have that little bit of extra benifits. They dont pay attention to what it costs to raise children because they dont have to worry about it because they MILK the system and take every hand out there is and they never bother to even work a min. wage job. These people get asistance with rent,utilities,food,clothes,ph ones an even cell phones and pay for there gas in there car, now how crazy is that, they dont have any responsibilitys what so ever and thats not right. In reality those people have it better than the average working person thats busting there as* at a min.wage paying job or higher and they have to pay all of there bills with the paycheck they have worked hard for all week with no help. And why do these people need cell phones anyway, a cell phone is a luxery not a need and tax payers shouldn't be paying for others cell phones. And why are tax payers paying for these peoples gas in there cars, my god make them pay for something they want, it's ridiculous at how much stuff they milk out of the system i could go on and on. I dont know about any of you but i'm tierd of working my butt off just to pay my bills and car and home while these free loaders do nothing but sit back and deside how many more kids they can have and how much more money they can milk the system for. Tie these girls tubes so they can quit bredding and milking the system, make them get a job or take there benifits away

“City Girl Stuck in the Country”

Since: Feb 09

Where I make it.

#116 Mar 18, 2009
I went to College in Northern KY and did a paper about the above post. Not about Pulaski, but another county my teacher asked if I made it up or was it true. I told her it was true. I included the part where when some women would have their daughters sleeping around because they would get more money.

“Mom of 2, for choice...”

Since: Jun 08

New Freedom, PA

#117 Mar 18, 2009
Rick69 wrote:
<quoted text>
What's 'not so'? I realize that getting aid doesn't infringe rights right now. What I'm saying is that it should. If you want my money (tax money) as your income then you need to be held under strict regulations. Drug tests, spending monitoring, etc. If you don't like it stay the hell off of welfare.
Oh, and the government is in your lives already. The only difference is the way they are in your lives now you volunteer for. You register your vehicle, so they already know what kind of car you drive. You file your taxes so they know how much you make, you claim deductions on taxes (itimizing) so they know where some of your money is going. There are other examples, the difference is my idea will help protect those (the tax payer) who have no choice in how these deadbeat welfare losers spend their (tax payer) money.
Still not so. Again getting any kind of aid is no reason to have your rights infringed upon. You are a sad, sad man to spend all of your time so angry. Since the mid 90's the system has been a lot harder to screw. You know when Clinton did his whole welfare reform thing? Where cash assistance has a limit, regardless of how many children you have, where you have to show you are working to obtain benefits. Do you even know anything about the system? Go interview a caseworker one time, you may figure out your not being screwed as much as you think you are. Sure you do still have the ones that get around the checks and balances, but they are fewer than before. By the way, I never said I get any kind of aid, so don't assume I do. I never said I want your money either, my husband does just fine at supporting his family.

“Silent Hill rules”

Since: Feb 09

here

#118 Mar 18, 2009
Yes I think they should. I knew a girl, met her last year, and she was on SSI, and she smoked pot and took meth. They definitly need to do something about this. Especially considering that *some* people who are on welfare or SSI have a history of drug abuse. Not all, but some. I think that the ones who have the history of drug abuse are the ones whose 'illnesses' are indeed drug induced. Just my opinion you guys. Take it with a grain of salt.
look

London, KY

#119 Mar 18, 2009
Yes....All ppl who work pay taxes..and i dont want be paying for someone who is on drugs and cant keep a job..or is just lazy..not that they all are bc some ppl just cant work for medical reasons..but i go to college full time, work almost full time just about every week..and i also dont live at home anymore..so i work hard every week and not to help someone buy drugs...

“Luv 2 Talk& Talk Some More!!!!”

Since: Mar 09

Somerset, Ky

#120 Mar 18, 2009
Rick69 wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, that was quite a post. What I find entertaining is that you still say god bless...
Anyway, I hope you get better and are able to live the rest of your life happily.
Thank you for your comments, and how I can say God Bless you, is because God had been so good to me by helping me through everything and I am sure he can help everyone else, if they ask for his help then he knows they are trusting in him. Satan comes to kill, steal and destroy, and God can help us through our loss. Have a goog day!!

Since: Oct 07

Bellingham

#121 Mar 19, 2009
jlmiller wrote:
<quoted text>
Still not so. Again getting any kind of aid is no reason to have your rights infringed upon. You are a sad, sad man to spend all of your time so angry. Since the mid 90's the system has been a lot harder to screw. You know when Clinton did his whole welfare reform thing? Where cash assistance has a limit, regardless of how many children you have, where you have to show you are working to obtain benefits. Do you even know anything about the system? Go interview a caseworker one time, you may figure out your not being screwed as much as you think you are. Sure you do still have the ones that get around the checks and balances, but they are fewer than before. By the way, I never said I get any kind of aid, so don't assume I do. I never said I want your money either, my husband does just fine at supporting his family.
I do know a little about the system, where Clinton's reform did a lot for the system it still has some major bugs. I also never said you in particular wanted any tax money. I was using the word 'you' as a generalization for welfare recipients. I realize you(this time not a generalization, see how that works) don't believe the government should be in a person's private life but, I don't believe people should rely on the government to pay their bills.
I also wonder what you mean by showing working to obtain benifits? You don't have to do that here in washington. People can just sit on welfare at home, in fact in many cases if you work the government takes away many of your benifits even if that will end up costing you so much that working no longer is benificial. At least there is a 5 year cap on welfare checks now though. You(generalization now) can still stay on food stamps and medical coverage forever as long as you make sure you don't make too much money. Crazy, I say. I do find it entertaining thought that before you can get welfare you have to have no assets left. You have to sell your car, empty your savings account, etc. I know several welfare people who lie their a$$es off about their assets to qualify. It's sad.

“Mom of 2, for choice...”

Since: Jun 08

New Freedom, PA

#122 Mar 19, 2009
Rick69 wrote:
<quoted text>
I do know a little about the system, where Clinton's reform did a lot for the system it still has some major bugs. I also never said you in particular wanted any tax money. I was using the word 'you' as a generalization for welfare recipients. I realize you(this time not a generalization, see how that works) don't believe the government should be in a person's private life but, I don't believe people should rely on the government to pay their bills.
I also wonder what you mean by showing working to obtain benifits? You don't have to do that here in washington. People can just sit on welfare at home, in fact in many cases if you work the government takes away many of your benifits even if that will end up costing you so much that working no longer is benificial. At least there is a 5 year cap on welfare checks now though. You(generalization now) can still stay on food stamps and medical coverage forever as long as you make sure you don't make too much money. Crazy, I say. I do find it entertaining thought that before you can get welfare you have to have no assets left. You have to sell your car, empty your savings account, etc. I know several welfare people who lie their a$$es off about their assets to qualify. It's sad.
Here in PA you have to show you are working at least 20 hours a week in order to obtain benefits, unless you have children who are under 5 or are disabled. Before you go off on a rant about people having children to stay on welfare, you can only get cash assistance for a year. You can still get food stamps and possibly medical assistance, but without actual money, you aren't going to have anywhere to live to benefit from food stamps or medical.

The government does not need to be in anyones business any more than they already are. I believe fully that allowing drug testing of people on assistance is a slippery slope issue. It would start with that then go on to people of a certain age or to single parents or to divorced people...the list could go on and on. I would prefer no more intrusions into my private life, the patriot act did enough.

“Luv 2 Talk& Talk Some More!!!!”

Since: Mar 09

Somerset, Ky

#123 Mar 20, 2009
Hmm wrote:
<quoted text>Get a clue, they aren't talking about the ones that truely need it or that have fell on hard times because of our economy, they are talking about the ones that abuse the system and make the system a way of life. Read before you jump
You must not be reading all the posts on topix, if you were, you would know that some people are saying very rude things to others that tell their story about their life situation of need. They don't care what they say to them or how bad it hurts them. Someone even said her husband had passed away, and someone still said rude things to her and about her. I have also said things about my situation with my daughter passing away and about having health problems, and they have still said very rude things to me. They are enjoying hurting others. Like I said many times, how can they know every persons story or what they are doing with anything they get? I think most of them are assuming they know everything about everyone.
Hmm

United States

#124 Mar 20, 2009
Like i said noones talking about people that have fell on hard times in there life, they are talking about the ones that abuse the system and use it as a way of life for them and never want to get off there lazy butt and work. I did see some of the mean things people have said and its sad that people would go to that level but i cant help what others say. I feel bad for the ones, like you that had a bad situations and im sorry for that and hope your and theres lifes get better and wish you and them nothing but the best. But most of us with sense are talking about the people that take everything they can from the government, salvation army, god's food pantry, etc. and they don't ever want to do anything to help thereselves. And the people that take advantage are hurting the innocent ones that truely need the help and alot of times when the food or whatever is there to give away they take it even if they dont need it without considering there are plenty of families that truely need the help and alot of times these places run out of food to hand out because the ones that are taking advantage of it haven't left anything for the ones that need it. For example when we had that bad ice storm there was all kinds of help here in my town, natinal guard and everything because alot of people were without electric here for weeks and it got really bad here. I for one didn't go get any handouts because my kids are adults and they are all moved out so i didn't see the need to go and get something for free just because it was there ,i wanted it to go to a family that had kids at home and that truely needed it, me and my husband ate sandwiches all week and kept a ice cooler outside for our drinks, we didn't go running around taking whatever we could for free we wanted it to help a family that was less fortunate than us and that needed it. Thats an example of what im talking about, if you dont truely need it then save it for a family that does. I'm sorry those people have been so mean to some of you and karma will come back and get them. I wish nothing but the best for the ones that have fell on hard times like myself, everyone has its a hard time right now but if we all pull together and help each other in even small ways it can make a difference

Since: Oct 07

Bellingham

#125 Mar 20, 2009
jlmiller wrote:
<quoted text>
Here in PA you have to show you are working at least 20 hours a week in order to obtain benefits, unless you have children who are under 5 or are disabled. Before you go off on a rant about people having children to stay on welfare, you can only get cash assistance for a year. You can still get food stamps and possibly medical assistance, but without actual money, you aren't going to have anywhere to live to benefit from food stamps or medical.
The government does not need to be in anyones business any more than they already are. I believe fully that allowing drug testing of people on assistance is a slippery slope issue. It would start with that then go on to people of a certain age or to single parents or to divorced people...the list could go on and on. I would prefer no more intrusions into my private life, the patriot act did enough.
wow, if that's true then WA needs to take a page from PA's book. I suppose that's the problem with discussing gov issues at the state level on these open forums.
Here in WA if you were working 20 hours a week you wouldn't qualify for cash assistance. If you make money they take out an equal amount from your cash benifits.

“Mom of 2, for choice...”

Since: Jun 08

New Freedom, PA

#126 Mar 20, 2009
Rick69 wrote:
<quoted text>
wow, if that's true then WA needs to take a page from PA's book. I suppose that's the problem with discussing gov issues at the state level on these open forums.
Here in WA if you were working 20 hours a week you wouldn't qualify for cash assistance. If you make money they take out an equal amount from your cash benifits.
No you don't get cash while your working, I should have clarified, I meant for food stamps and medical. Cash which is now called tanf (temporary aid to needy families)you must show you are searching for a job, much like with unemployment, prospective employers must fill out paperwork for you. To receive cash assistance (in PA) you have to bring in less than $150 a month.
somerset man

London, KY

#128 Mar 21, 2009
in my oppion more then 75 perscent of them people could work it's a shame tax payers have to keep up people who just won't work. there's day i feel bad but i still have to get it need to hiring more investagators to catch some of them

“Luv 2 Talk& Talk Some More!!!!”

Since: Mar 09

Somerset, Ky

#129 Mar 22, 2009
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Not everyone

Brownsville, TN

#130 Mar 22, 2009
I have a handicap child who gets it. So why should a handicap child be tested. Dont make sense to me. And dont say will not them. How do they pick and choose.

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