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#102 Mar 21, 2012
Why no one addresses the real issue is beyond me. It's not about flourishing businesses. You have plenty of car lots, hotels, and restaurants clogging up the roadside as it is. What is at issue is the idea that the sale of a legal product is somehow wrong enough to curtail the rights of citizens that wish to purchase it locally just like mist places in this country. It is not illegal to drink in Somerset. If people like Clear thinker really believed what they said they would push to make alcohol illegal in the city or county. But it's n to about that is it? It's about control. With this control you can have a healthy black market that makes a ton of money. With control you have self deluded people believing that forcing their will on others is makes it easier to hide the ills of the local society so that one can act in private one way while exuding a facade to the world outside.

Answer me this NO people..
1)Has there been no sex industry in Somerset with the lack of alcohol sales thus far? I know the answer to this as anyone with any vision can see there are people that sell themselves weather or not there's booze on the corners with them.

2: Does denying alcohol sales limit drunk driving ion the city or county? Even before the Burnside thing? No it has not. I moved to Somerset over 20 years ago. There was no alcohol to be had (legally). After working a night shift I was pulled over and the only thing the officer asked me was weather or not I had been drinking. He did not know my vehicle and did not know I was a new implanted local. This was by his own admission. Once he was convinced I was not drinking (because I was not) he said have a nice night and allowed me to leave. I was never pulled over again driving late.

3) Has the sale of alcohol in Somerset been non existent with the laws in place now? No, I met many people selling Beer, Wine, and spirits out of their homes or vehicles. Yes..A few of them offered to deliver beer to my house cold. Of course this was at an about 100% markup over Richmond prices (about 70% over Tenn prices). These people where/are criminals. While they might see their cause to be a noble one they in face where breaking local laws. I also know many of these people didn't care selling to people under legal drinking age. Their logic being the law is the same weather they sell to me being well over 21 or little Johnny at age 17. Either way they are in deep poo poo.

Now, on to the next flaw in No logic.

Do any of the opponents to a wet vote stay within the confines of Somerset or areas north? We must exclude the moist Burnside. Being all this professed wide spread debauchery that seems to come with the sale of demon liquor I would imagine that none of you shop in Danville, Richmond,etc. Because as many of you have pointed out places that sell alcohol are bad and not safe. Do you allow your children to go with you on these trips? If you do then you are all guilty of child endangerment. You have willingly taken your family into areas that you know not to be safe. I would think you would avoid such behavior if you really believed your stated opinions.

Bottom line is it is not illegal to use alcohol in this area. Selling it will not make non drinkers drink any more than the prohibition caused drinkers to not drink. It's not really about progress or new business. A tourist town will always make money. But there is a windfall to be had to a degree when people spend their money in the local economy. You lose nothing in values, the bad people are already here. All you are doing is allowing locals to spend their money here. And taking money out of bootleggers hands that might be more inclined to sell to underage consumers.

Win-Win...

“Hello again”

Level 8

Since: Jan 09

KY Pineywoods

#103 Mar 26, 2012
Watcher1219 wrote:
Why no one addresses the real issue is beyond me. It's not about flourishing businesses. You have plenty of car lots, hotels, and restaurants clogging up the roadside as it is. What is at issue is the idea that the sale of a legal product is somehow wrong enough to curtail the rights of citizens that wish to purchase it locally just like mist places in this country. It is not illegal to drink in Somerset. If people like Clear thinker really believed what they said they would push to make alcohol illegal in the city or county. But it's n to about that is it? It's about control. With this control you can have a healthy black market that makes a ton of money. With control you have self deluded people believing that forcing their will on others is makes it easier to hide the ills of the local society so that one can act in private one way while exuding a facade to the world outside.
Answer me this NO people..
1)Has there been no sex industry in Somerset with the lack of alcohol sales thus far? I know the answer to this as anyone with any vision can see there are people that sell themselves weather or not there's booze on the corners with them.
2: Does denying alcohol sales limit drunk driving ion the city or county? Even before the Burnside thing? No it has not. I moved to Somerset over 20 years ago. There was no alcohol to be had (legally). After working a night shift I was pulled over and the only thing the officer asked me was weather or not I had been drinking. He did not know my vehicle and did not know I was a new implanted local. This was by his own admission. Once he was convinced I was not drinking (because I was not) he said have a nice night and allowed me to leave. I was never pulled over again driving late.
3) Has the sale of alcohol in Somerset been non existent with the laws in place now? No, I met many people selling Beer, Wine, and spirits out of their homes or vehicles. Yes..A few of them offered to deliver beer to my house cold. Of course this was at an about 100% markup over Richmond prices (about 70% over Tenn prices). These people where/are criminals. While they might see their cause to be a noble one they in face where breaking local laws. I also know many of these people didn't care selling to people under legal drinking age. Their logic being the law is the same weather they sell to me being well over 21 or little Johnny at age 17. Either way they are in deep poo poo.
Now, on to the next flaw in No logic.
Do any of the opponents to a wet vote stay within the confines of Somerset or areas north? We must exclude the moist Burnside. Being all this professed wide spread debauchery that seems to come with the sale of demon liquor I would imagine that none of you shop in Danville, Richmond,etc. Because as many of you have pointed out places that sell alcohol are bad and not safe. Do you allow your children to go with you on these trips? If you do then you are all guilty of child endangerment. You have willingly taken your family into areas that you know not to be safe. I would think you would avoid such behavior if you really believed your stated opinions.
Bottom line is it is not illegal to use alcohol in this area. Selling it will not make non drinkers drink any more than the prohibition caused drinkers to not drink. It's not really about progress or new business. A tourist town will always make money. But there is a windfall to be had to a degree when people spend their money in the local economy. You lose nothing in values, the bad people are already here. All you are doing is allowing locals to spend their money here. And taking money out of bootleggers hands that might be more inclined to sell to underage consumers.
Win-Win...
I totally agree with this well written statement!!!!

Level 8

Since: Sep 08

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#105 Mar 26, 2012
Ugly cousins like cold brew too -
nuny

Middlesboro, KY

#106 Mar 26, 2012
why me wrote:
Why don't you people that want alcohol move to an area that already has it and leave the rest of us alone?????????? PLEASE..........
why Don't the people that don't want alcohol move. move to somewhere more your speed and somewhere you will familiarize with like hell. this is basically what Somerset is and if your gone it would be a better place for sure. My family came over from L.A. and I wanted to show them a real religious cult so I introduced them to the churches and people of Somerset.
Bro Ed High St Baptist

East Bernstadt, KY

#108 Mar 28, 2012
For all of you who want Somerset to sell alcohol I urge you to think about one thing: The very first time that a drunk driver (who purchased alcohol legally in Somerset) hits and kills a child, your selfish vote will be part of that event and you will bear part of that responsibility. The first drunk (who purchased alcohol legally in Somerset) who beats his girlfriend to the point that she later dies in the E.R.; your selfish vote will be part of that event and you will bear part of the responsibility. Oh and the minute that the alcohol lobby gets what they want, do you really think they are going to share much if any of their revenue with you? No, it will go to the political machine. You will see nary a dime of that money. Later when you are wondering where all those dollars went and why our jails are overpopulated and why rape, theft, dui and dui related deaths are skyrocketing, you will only have yourself to blame. And the sad fact is, this is not my opinion. This is hard scientific fact. Don't believe me? Read it for yourself at: http://www.thecommunityguide.org/alcohol/Effe...
By the way, you can drink in Somerset right now. You have all the rights you need. All we are realy talking about here is convenience. Why do I have to give up my rights to an alcohol free community which is much safer, convenient and better for my children so that you can party hardy? I remember a time when the Constitution of the United States of America gave deference to majority rule. If you get a majority to vote in alcohol sales in Somerset... More power to you. At the same time, I for one am going to organize as many "no" votes as possible along with as much money possible to mount a major opposition to alcohol sales in Somerset. P.S. this has little to do with religion. This is just plain common sense.
I bear none of you any ill will. But I love Somerset with all my heart. I cannot just stand idly by and watch outsiders destroy our community. Forgive me if I have offended anyone. It is my intention to exercise my right to free speach. I make no personal attacks on anyone. In general, I love all of you. Whether you believe in my cause or not, I believe I am fighting for your family too. Thak you for hearing my plea.

Since: Nov 10

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#109 Mar 28, 2012
Bro Ed High St Baptist wrote:
For all of you who want Somerset to sell alcohol I urge you to think about one thing: The very first time that a drunk driver (who purchased alcohol legally in Somerset) hits and kills a child, your selfish vote will be part of that event and you will bear part of that responsibility. The first drunk (who purchased alcohol legally in Somerset) who beats his girlfriend to the point that she later dies in the E.R.; your selfish vote will be part of that event and you will bear part of the responsibility. Oh and the minute that the alcohol lobby gets what they want, do you really think they are going to share much if any of their revenue with you? No, it will go to the political machine. You will see nary a dime of that money. Later when you are wondering where all those dollars went and why our jails are overpopulated and why rape, theft, dui and dui related deaths are skyrocketing, you will only have yourself to blame. And the sad fact is, this is not my opinion. This is hard scientific fact. Don't believe me? Read it for yourself at: http://www.thecommunityguide.org/alcohol/Effe...
By the way, you can drink in Somerset right now. You have all the rights you need. All we are realy talking about here is convenience. Why do I have to give up my rights to an alcohol free community which is much safer, convenient and better for my children so that you can party hardy? I remember a time when the Constitution of the United States of America gave deference to majority rule. If you get a majority to vote in alcohol sales in Somerset... More power to you. At the same time, I for one am going to organize as many "no" votes as possible along with as much money possible to mount a major opposition to alcohol sales in Somerset. P.S. this has little to do with religion. This is just plain common sense.
I bear none of you any ill will. But I love Somerset with all my heart. I cannot just stand idly by and watch outsiders destroy our community. Forgive me if I have offended anyone. It is my intention to exercise my right to free speach. I make no personal attacks on anyone. In general, I love all of you. Whether you believe in my cause or not, I believe I am fighting for your family too. Thak you for hearing my plea.
After your father died your mother opened and ran a bar didnt she? Did that bar help provide you and your mother with enough money to make a living off of? How can you say that selling alcohol will not help benefit the economy?

How can you put the blame on voters for someones death because of their vote? My friend Brett went to a wet city, bought alcohol that he drank on the way home and he killed two people with his truck. Is that your fault because you voted Somerset dry? It was Brett's fault and no one else, the same as it would be here if someone kills someone else by doing something illegal. To try and blame a voter and put that guilt on them is wrong.

As far as no one seeing a dime of that money, tell that to all the people with new jobs and just wait and see how much tax money it will bring in. Some people do pay taxes. ;)
Bro Ed High St Baptist

East Bernstadt, KY

#110 Mar 28, 2012
MAMMON
Thanks for the connection to the article in the paper. Yes my father drank himself to death. It was very tragic. My mother did not make money at the bar because unfortunately, she drank part of the profits and her boyfriend basically drank some of the profits and then an employee robbed her blind. Eventually she sold the place and declared bankruptsy. As far as your vote is concerned... Yes I do believe you are absolutely responsible for consequences of all of your actions. I am also. If we put a gun in the hand of a child and that child kills another child, the law says, we as adults are responsible. If we allow alcohol sales and someone takes advantage of our deliberate choice to provide that access, then we are morally responsible for that decision. If we did not make the alcohol available and that person went to another county and got alcohol; drank it and then committed a dui homicide, then whomever was responsible for voting to sell alcohol in that county is morally responsible. But we are not, because we refused to sell it. I know there are arguments about black markets and bootleggers. That is a law enforcement issue. I cannot do much about those who illegally profit from the sale of white lightening or other whiskeys. All I can do is to the best of my ability stop the sale of alcohol here. Then if it passes, innocent blood will not be on my head or hands. That is all I am saying. Thanks for the followup. I appreciate the respectuflness and your questions. They are insightful and on topic. Keep them coming. Blessings!

Since: Nov 10

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#111 Mar 28, 2012
Bro Ed High St Baptist wrote:
MAMMON
Thanks for the connection to the article in the paper. Yes my father drank himself to death. It was very tragic. My mother did not make money at the bar because unfortunately, she drank part of the profits and her boyfriend basically drank some of the profits and then an employee robbed her blind. Eventually she sold the place and declared bankruptsy. As far as your vote is concerned... Yes I do believe you are absolutely responsible for consequences of all of your actions. I am also. If we put a gun in the hand of a child and that child kills another child, the law says, we as adults are responsible. If we allow alcohol sales and someone takes advantage of our deliberate choice to provide that access, then we are morally responsible for that decision. If we did not make the alcohol available and that person went to another county and got alcohol; drank it and then committed a dui homicide, then whomever was responsible for voting to sell alcohol in that county is morally responsible. But we are not, because we refused to sell it. I know there are arguments about black markets and bootleggers. That is a law enforcement issue. I cannot do much about those who illegally profit from the sale of white lightening or other whiskeys. All I can do is to the best of my ability stop the sale of alcohol here. Then if it passes, innocent blood will not be on my head or hands. That is all I am saying. Thanks for the followup. I appreciate the respectuflness and your questions. They are insightful and on topic. Keep them coming. Blessings!
You said, "If we put a gun in the hand of a child and that child kills another child, the law says, we as adults are responsible." We are not responsible tho if the child is over the age of 18 and we are not try to legalize the sale of alcohol to minors, only to adults.

Your letter was in today's paper and on the front page there is an article of a local missionary that was charged with molesting three brothers and drug possession. Are you responsible for what that man did to those children since you both represent religion? If the guy hadnt been claiming to be a man of God then he wouldnt have been over there and the situation would of never happened right? See how dumb that sounds?

Everyone is responsible for their own actions. Have you not read what the KSP said about making a town wet actually reduces the DUI rates?

Sorry about your parents. My dad was also an alcoholic but was a fun drunk and he actually took us fishing and camping a lot when he was drinking. My mother was a Jehovahs Witness and made my life miserable growing up even tho she thought she was doing something right. I realize why dad drank so much now.
Manchild

Big Creek, KY

#112 Mar 28, 2012
For all of you who want Somerset to sell alcohol I urge you to think about one thing: The very first time that a drunk driver (who purchased alcohol legally in Somerset) hits and kills a child, your selfish vote will be part of that event and you will bear part of that responsibility

Brothjer Ed, since the most recent data states that there are more DUI's in dry counties than wet one???? Wouldnt the dry vote be more likely to cause this
KY lover

Knightstown, IN

#113 Mar 30, 2012
I believe, (it states in the bible ) as many others do, that anything is excess is never a good thing , drinking included. It is so sad to see reverends and preachers doing things in excess . Attempting to convince others that they are horrible, or scaring them by using their positions is simply abuse of their so called power . from what I understand judging others is frowned upon by Christians. I am horribly disappointed in any reverend or preacher that would do so. I have attended these churches and because god has given us free will, I will never step foot in a church where a pastor etc , would behave in this manner .

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Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#114 Mar 30, 2012
Always about ol' demon rum - Never about meth , murder , incest , immorality and other such minor sins - One thang for sure , when alcohol is discussed , them preacher folks sure like to hold their hands out to Richmond , Nicholasville , Danville , Lancaster , the Tennesssee line and many others - Tithing is for preachers too -

“It is what it is, folks!!”

Since: Feb 10

The land of harmony and peace

#115 Apr 1, 2012
Odd that I've never heard of this "pulpit crew" (who are SO hard at work trying to kill our personal rights to purchase something which is legal), EVER putting this kind of concerted effort into attacking our local drug problem head on...

Why don't they focus all of this energy on the REAL problem? Drugs are crumbling our society. All this disdain over booze when our REAL problem has been staring them in the face for years! Sure, they consistently schedule weekly or bi-weekly substance abuse and recovery meetings, they offer counseling, spiritual guidance, peer support groups, etc.. You can put a band-aid on the wound itself and it will probably heal, but the real weapon is still out there unless you take steps to remove it. That weapon is DRUG ABUSE and it's destroying our society. It's destroying our town as well.

Instead, they want to deny people the right to legally purchase alcohol? Seems just a little bit strange, wouldn't you say?

Why aren't they fighting for stricter penalties, longer sentencing, and harsher punishment for drug related crimes? Why aren't they fighting tooth and nail to get these dealers put away and off of our streets?

All this effort to "keep booze away from our innocent children, keep the drunks off of our roadways, help keep local businesses from shutting down because beer money is being spent in other places", blah blah blah..... Our children are being exposed to drugs even at the grade school level, people are driving impaired from drugs around here daily. And it's apparent that drug money is flowing in this town. Someone is making money from selling these drugs and they're spending it. Why don't they care that deeply about THIS reality?

Do you see where I'm going with this?? Think about what their true motives might be and why they choose to attack the alcohol issue so turbulently instead of facing our rampant drug abuse problem.
It'll come to you in a minute...

_-_Nope_-_, over and out.
For now.....
lol

Somerset, KY

#116 Apr 1, 2012
get ur salvation and Xanax at the one stop baptist church haha! get high all u want but u cant have the devils nectar!
Tough Love

Corbin, KY

#117 Apr 1, 2012
The other night I was doing some research on the history of liquor sales in Kentucky and how the local option laws came into being 2 years after the repeal of prohibition. During my reading I came across this quote by one of the leading writers of the time H.L. Mencken -- five years into prohibition. Not only is this quote timeless, but is dead on as far as Somerset is concerned.

“Five years of Prohibition have had, at least, this one benign effect: they have completely disposed of all the favorite arguments of the Prohibitionists. None of the great boons and usufructs that were to follow the passage of the Eighteenth Amendment has come to pass. There is not less drunkenness in the Republic, but more. There is not less crime, but more. There is not less insanity, but more. The cost of government is not smaller, but vastly greater. Respect for law has not increased, but diminished.”

H.L. Mencken, 1925

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