School Boards elections..Any Thoughts?
Do as I say not as I do

Bulan, KY

#129 Oct 7, 2012
Teachers and staff are still not paid enough for the jobs they perform, but then again we have some who need to go to the house. NO DOUBLE DIPPIN if your through your through. New people can't get a job as long as the retired people are coming back and taking positions. Hellooppette they gave some 10,000 to retire once and now they are back in the schools again.LOL LOL
Finally

Corbin, KY

#130 Oct 7, 2012
Some educated and researched truth of the facts. No egg throwing, just simple truth of what is going on that effects our children and those educating and caring for them.
Clarity

Kittanning, PA

#131 Oct 7, 2012
DUH wrote:
<quoted text>Bert had 2 assistant superintendents, Haney from the position of Principal at PES a position she inherited upon departure of Eaton from PES to assume the position of Director of Transportation at Central Office. Eaton became Superintendent upon departure of Minton. Eaton as Superintendent had 2 Assistants who were Haney, who prior had been his Assistant Principal, and Butcher, his good friend from Casey County who had been Principal at Eubank in which Richardson followed. Wilds still remaining in the position of DPP/Director of Pupil Personnel that she assummed from M. Rogers who retired. When Eaton retired and accepted some type position with the State, Butcher was made Superintendent, Wilds accepting the responsibilities also of Assistant Superintendent replacing Haney who retired, while Richardson was appointed to the vacancy of Butcher as Assistant Superintendent, in-charge of Buildings and Grounds as well as Transportation.-----It all changes with time and will continue to change. Politics were to be removed by KERA, but it is alive and well in Kentucky especially the southeastern part of the State. Several years ago the locks were changed on the Board Office Building in the middle of the night due to a squabble with the Board and Superintendent.LOL Later down the line town meetings held concerning Woody Joe Barwick and Dr. Stewart as to the position of Superintendent.LOL
Bert Minton had 3 Assistants at one time. There was Howard Wallace in operations and personnel. Marlene Haney in curriculum, and Tim Eaton as Deputy Super. All at the same time. Just saying.
kids first

United States

#132 Oct 7, 2012
Blast from the Past wrote:
Stipends are salary based on a percentage Administrators receive for their position. Principals of large schools receive more of a percentage than a smaller school. Those same Principals may also recieve more days for employment due to the size of the school. Traditional 185 day teacher salary are the base for full time. Extended days are determined by the number of students in a school and the type school.---------Teachers receive 12 payment per year, with the 185 day salary divided by 12 to create the monthly salary. Teachers are just like everyone else and need someone to control their money.LOL It is all a matter of record on file. Larger salaries will get larger pay raises and smaller salaries will get less if everyone receives the same percentage of raise. 5% of 50,000 would equal a 2500 raise as well as a 10,000 dollar position receiving 500 as the result of a 5% pay increase. If the Stipend is given as a percentage those with the most days, most experience, and the most education will receive the greatest increase. It's all legal and about math, and moving numbers around. Ask any Superintendent or Finance Officer how it is done.
And dont forget all the central office staff (whom I assume you are also referring to as administration) who work year round (not paid 185 but for 240 or 250 days)...Which schools are their salaries and stipends determined by? Correct me if I am wrong, but last I heard, Adm. Budget is more than all teachers and other staff in the county combined.
Your corrected

Kittanning, PA

#133 Oct 7, 2012
I have checked this out and admin budget is less than 2% all other positions from bus driver, assistants, and teachers makes up 80% plus.
kids first

United States

#134 Oct 7, 2012
Your corrected wrote:
I have checked this out and admin budget is less than 2% all other positions from bus driver, assistants, and teachers makes up 80% plus.
I can admit when I am wrong. That's hearsay then. But, vocal hearsay. However, you sure got those facts quickly. Hope you arent an employee when you dont know you're from you. Just saying. This shouldn't be personal attacks. Why so defensive?
not right

Somerset, KY

#135 Oct 7, 2012
Blast from the Past wrote:
Stipends are salary based on a percentage Administrators receive for their position. Principals of large schools receive more of a percentage than a smaller school. Those same Principals may also recieve more days for employment due to the size of the school. Traditional 185 day teacher salary are the base for full time. Extended days are determined by the number of students in a school and the type school.---------Teachers receive 12 payment per year, with the 185 day salary divided by 12 to create the monthly salary. Teachers are just like everyone else and need someone to control their money.LOL It is all a matter of record on file. Larger salaries will get larger pay raises and smaller salaries will get less if everyone receives the same percentage of raise. 5% of 50,000 would equal a 2500 raise as well as a 10,000 dollar position receiving 500 as the result of a 5% pay increase. If the Stipend is given as a percentage those with the most days, most experience, and the most education will receive the greatest increase. It's all legal and about math, and moving numbers around. Ask any Superintendent or Finance Officer how it is done.
You have fuzzy math...you can not work 250 days in a school year. So Admin in cental office get paid vacations? I wonder the last time anyone you used a sick day at central office?
not right

Somerset, KY

#136 Oct 7, 2012
Your corrected wrote:
I have checked this out and admin budget is less than 2% all other positions from bus driver, assistants, and teachers makes up 80% plus.
You need to quit spinning the truth...your like Pres. Obama you keep lieing thiking everone will believe it. Fact is the State Department is running PCHS because of the failed Central Office Administration. Mark Wilson was a great principal did not deserve what the Central Office put him through...
not right

Somerset, KY

#137 Oct 7, 2012
Clarity wrote:
<quoted text>
Bert Minton had 3 Assistants at one time. There was Howard Wallace in operations and personnel. Marlene Haney in curriculum, and Tim Eaton as Deputy Super. All at the same time. Just saying.
You have Sonya, Pat and retired Carol Hancock. that is three assist. superintendents. They hide it by giving different titals to the position. Which by the way Hancocks position has already been filled. So please quit spinning the facts. Do you think any assist. super back then got paid 250 days plus 27%. Do the math!!!
not right

Somerset, KY

#138 Oct 7, 2012
Blast from the Past wrote:
<quoted text> Superintendent post positions, recommends, and sends list of those qualified to building Principals. The Principal reviews the list and may narrow the list that is given to the SBDM interview team who make their recommendation to the Principal who in turn recommends the decision to the Superintendent to be hired. The board members have NO say so in the selection of staff members, however they do vote on those recommended by the Superintendent for employment. Principals select and interview those who wish to seek employment as a teacher. If you don't get past the Principal you don't get to the point of interviews with SBDM interview group. This was the process several years ago as established by KERA (Kentucky Educational Reform Act)
If anyone believes this crap you are crazy...I guess that is why good people were pink slipped last year because of a bad budget and relatives and friends of Steve Butcher, Pat Richardson, and Sonya Wilds were hired in their place. Lets not forget the needed energy manager Greg...from Casey county--Got to have double dippers.
facts first

Somerset, KY

#143 Oct 7, 2012
If anyone would look up the salary schedule...and you can find it on the district web page. It is amazing how many people work in the Central Office. I would challenge anyone to check the salaries paid to Central Office admin. compared to anyone working in a school. I mean seriously... one position was district social worker? Safe schools coordinator. Isn't this what principals do already?
Don't we have county social workers already employed through the state to handle this...?
Comment

Saint Charles, IL

#144 Oct 7, 2012
Conlley wants in to take care of kids and keep everything on the up and up...and would be able to devote 100% of his time... As for the other fella... The doctor... Seems like he would be too busy...being a doctor... To focus... On the job??
Interested

London, KY

#145 Oct 7, 2012
facts first wrote:
If anyone would look up the salary schedule...and you can find it on the district web page. It is amazing how many people work in the Central Office. I would challenge anyone to check the salaries paid to Central Office admin. compared to anyone working in a school. I mean seriously... one position was district social worker? Safe schools coordinator. Isn't this what principals do already?
Don't we have county social workers already employed through the state to handle this...?
Social Workers...hmmm. Maybe that is why they decided to hire a third asst. principal at SW rather than another counselor. Adanta, Somerset Mental Health, Intrust and Phoenix are in the schools daily meeting with students for therapy who BTW don't charge schools. They bill insurance for their services not the district. So why is a district social worker necessary...another warm body to earn a hefty salary....because counselors are too busy testing, chairing special ed meetings and working on schedules to have time to work with kids (which does not explain why one wouldn't be replaced). It will be interesting to see if a teacher salaried counselor replaces the retiring counselor at PC or if they will hire another asst. principal (who gets a stipend) to replace him.
Another funny thing is that surrounding schools didn't cut any teachers last year. Some actually had to hire more. Safe Schools Coordinator...Energy person (double dipper). You are right. Looks like a principal could tell teachers to turn their lights off. WASTED TAX MONEY!!! Approx 60% of tak payers in the county do not have children in the school, yet they keep paying MORE. We need someone who will stand up to the waste!!!
Just felt compelled to throw in my 2 cents...for what it is worth.
Youwantto

Chicago, IL

#146 Oct 8, 2012
Lies, lies, lies. Talk about spin doctors. Sounds like these post were made by a principal that got demoted and now wants to spread lies.
What's going on is an attempted take over of the school board by the faction that is behind Minton, Conley, and Hyden. There are former Principals, Superintendent, and Contractors behind everyone on them wanting money and power. If Butcher has recruited Daniels and Citak, it's because he's trying to do what's best for everyone in our schools. Don't be fooled by lies from postings like these.. It's all propaganda for the take over and if they do our schools will go back 20 years.
Let's see what lies come next.
Vote Daniels, Cetak, and Wilson.
gonzo

London, KY

#147 Oct 8, 2012
Vote against all incumbents in the Somerset school board elections....no higher taxes!!!!!
Interested

United States

#148 Oct 8, 2012
Nope...close but no cookie. Just someone sick and tired of watching our kids suffer. Just ask any of our ag kids how disappointed they are about losing...hmm trimesters...that would be 12 oppotunities a year to take an ag class because they cut a teacher.
Victim of Pink Slip

Mount Vernon, KY

#149 Oct 8, 2012
Enough already.....if you aren't a team player and not a coachable kid you get kicked off the team. That is just life people. It has been that way with ithis and previous administrations. The bad part is that tenure law.... No where else can you do a bad job and be able to keep it. Which in turn gives younger teachers a pink slip! Not sure why the football coach was brought into this....apples and oranges.....
Do as I say not as I do

Bulan, KY

#153 Oct 8, 2012
not right wrote:
<quoted text>
You have fuzzy math...you can not work 250 days in a school year. So Admin in cental office get paid vacations? I wonder the last time anyone you used a sick day at central office?
I believe 245 is a full time position.
Just sayin

Bulan, KY

#154 Oct 8, 2012
I believe if you look at employment days on the pay scale, you will see 185 days as full time teacher, most guidance counselors get an additional 10 for 205, Assistant Principals and Principals of small school receive 20 extra for 225, and the Superintendent, Assistant Superintendents and Principals of large schools, usually get 40 for a total of 245 days and that is considered a full work schedule for the school year. Everyone gets certain paid holidays no matter who they are, while those with extended days must work through breaks such as Fall Break, Spring Break, Summer Break, Christmas Break as designated on their work schedule on file as days worked. It's all on file at the Central Office. All Certified staff were to work and 8 hour day when Bert Minton was Superintendent. Some put in more than 8hrs. due to the job they performed. Bert however discourage staff from going to tanning beds, salons, barber shops and the likes on lunch breaks. Bert also encouraged Central Office staff to dine at the schools at lunch, with many schools sending invitations for staff to dine at their schools.
Interested

London, KY

#155 Oct 8, 2012
Funny that when I pointed out a few things, you found it funny or nuts and you disagreed. Why? If you were involved, you would know it is all true. Therapists work with kids in all schools. An ag teacher was cut (not replaced because there was someone better to do the job). An asst. principal replaced the counselor and the district did hire a retired athletic director as the energy man. Are those facts just a few things you don't want the public to know?

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