Somerset Police exodus
whatever

Morgantown, KY

#24 Apr 29, 2013
Someone wrote:
<quoted text>
Then why don't you quit whining and do the job for about a week.
They don't want guys like me. I've been places and done things(military).

I'm too real for this local crowd. These little wannabees couldn't handle a guy who's all about business and knows how to get it done.

I've known some of those guys since high school. They're all about their little egos. Always have been.

After a while you get tired of arresting the same people for the same crimes. The courts just put them back on the street as long as they pay their weekly installments.

Just ride around in your little toys and tell yourselves that you matter.
Well

United States

#25 Apr 29, 2013
I miss the drug task force. Perhaps we could trade a plane, boat, hummer or Segway for a person to get the drugs off our streets.
Someone

Columbus, IN

#26 Apr 29, 2013
somerset man wrote:
Hey, i am not saying the job doesn't come without danger, their are more up there that make 35,000 to 50,000 grand a year than 28000.00 a year, how about the 38% for retirement, that all us common folk don't get that the city pays for them, thats 38% of their pay yearly, get out here in the real world , us common folk make 12 bucks a hour with 4 sick days and 1 vacation a year and no retirement, then come and whine about how bad you got it , with 2 sick days a month, and 2 weeks vacation starting out. That you can accumulate, most companies will not let you accrue sick time, you take it or lose it. Lets now forget about the car you get ride for free on your off time. Thats another 50 bucks a week. Come and work with us regular folk a while and you will see whats it like.
With OT working special events, a few, might make it to $35,000 a year. If they don't have rank, they are nowhere close to $50,000 a year no matter how long they have been there. That's why so many left and went to KSP. For the last couple of years, KSP has offered a special program trying to get officers from other departments to transfer in. Those who transferred did not have to go through their entire academy, they received a sign on bonus, and more pay. The retirement is standard with other city offices other than officers receive hazardous duty with theirs. As far as you tellingly to come to your world, I'm right there too. I work 40-48 hours a week with 4 personal days and 3 weeks vacation. I'm not going to get on here, or anywhere else, and come up with stupid reasons to bash police officers. Not many people here would be willing to do the job. If the people that are complaining think they can do better, then by all means go try. They are hiring right now. I guarantee the ones complaining will forget all their gripes the first time they need them for something.
Someone

Columbus, IN

#27 Apr 29, 2013
whatever wrote:
<quoted text>They don't want guys like me. I've been places and done things(military).

I'm too real for this local crowd. These little wannabees couldn't handle a guy who's all about business and knows how to get it done.

I've known some of those guys since high school. They're all about their little egos. Always have been.

After a while you get tired of arresting the same people for the same crimes. The courts just put them back on the street as long as they pay their weekly installments.

Just ride around in your little toys and tell yourselves that you matter.
And they have an ego problem?
carson

Chicago, IL

#28 Apr 29, 2013
whatever wrote:
<quoted text>
They don't want guys like me. I've been places and done things(military).
I'm too real for this local crowd. These little wannabees couldn't handle a guy who's all about business and knows how to get it done.
I've known some of those guys since high school. They're all about their little egos. Always have been.
After a while you get tired of arresting the same people for the same crimes. The courts just put them back on the street as long as they pay their weekly installments.
Just ride around in your little toys and tell yourselves that you matter.
I like the way you sound.

You've got my vote.
Preach It

Somerset, KY

#29 Apr 30, 2013
Someone wrote:
<quoted text>
The gyro is flown by just one person right now and that person doesn't work a patrol shift so no one is taken from the streets. Also, they can cover a larger area using the gyro than officers in cruisers; especially during events like Somernites Cruise. If anything it helps free up officers for other things. The officer flying the gyro is also a certified instructor and has been dong lessons for other police agencies from the state and surrounding states so it has been making money from flight lessons.
I know a gyro can seat the pilot and one other person, I know the officer who flies it, I know he is too good to work the street, and I know the gyro is a pain in the butt for the street officers. So tell me something I don't know, like how it frees up officers for other things. Answering a call is hard enough without someone stepping on you with (mostly) useless information. Maybe he *should* work a patrol shift and take some of the pressure off others. Also, if they are in a bind for man-power, as Nelson stated in the CJ, maybe he *should* help answer calls instead of giving lessons until the other officers get some relief.

Wait a minute... maybe I just answered the question of who is responsible for the mass exodus. It's obvious that poor management is at the root of the problem and on the surface it appears that man-power and resources are mismanaged, given the current situation. When the department is at full staff, fly that bird and play with the toys to make the community a better place. Until then common sense dictates "all hands on deck".
Preach It

Somerset, KY

#30 Apr 30, 2013
lol wrote:
$35.00 per hour to run the little gyro. over $100.00 per hour for countys full size. the. c.j. did the story on it when the city got it. most that went to the Sheriffs Department have retired from the city,and are "double dipping" aka working and getting a retirement check. Somerset is one of a few small towns that require their officers to have a degree. degree plus experience equals the ability to move on to a higher paying job with a different organization. they have left to go to the State Police, US Marshal Service,and
FBI. if the city wants to keep experienced officers they should pay them more.
Thank you for pointing me to the CJ article. I read that smoke and mirror story when it was published.

Degree? Really? It used to be a requirement but that has been relaxed for many years. And no one has left the SPD for the U.S. Marshals Service, he left from the SFD and it has been more than a decade since anyone left for a position with the FBI - they left under Chief Gilbert who did require a degree. Again, some of the guys that left last year, left for lower paying jobs.

About that degree requirement, read the intro to the latest SPD recruiting ad:

"Are you looking for a stable and rewarding career in law enforcement? Or, do you know someone with at least a high school education, age 21 or older, with a clean background?"
Someone

Columbus, IN

#31 Apr 30, 2013
Preach It wrote:
<quoted text>I know a gyro can seat the pilot and one other person, I know the officer who flies it, I know he is too good to work the street, and I know the gyro is a pain in the butt for the street officers. So tell me something I don't know, like how it frees up officers for other things. Answering a call is hard enough without someone stepping on you with (mostly) useless information. Maybe he *should* work a patrol shift and take some of the pressure off others. Also, if they are in a bind for man-power, as Nelson stated in the CJ, maybe he *should* help answer calls instead of giving lessons until the other officers get some relief.

Wait a minute... maybe I just answered the question of who is responsible for the mass exodus. It's obvious that poor management is at the root of the problem and on the surface it appears that man-power and resources are mismanaged, given the current situation. When the department is at full staff, fly that bird and play with the toys to make the community a better place. Until then common sense dictates "all hands on deck".
Nelson isn't the pilot. He may know how to fly to it but if you go back and read the article from the CJ it tells who the certified instructor is. My point about freeing up other officers is that it is easier for one person in the gyro to cover, for example, 27 during the cruise instead of having 10 cruisers going up and down 27 who can't get anywhere for the traffic. A couple officers can patrol 27 while the others that were usually on 27 can go somewhere else.
Preach It

Somerset, KY

#32 Apr 30, 2013
Someone wrote:
<quoted text>
Nelson isn't the pilot. He may know how to fly to it but if you go back and read the article from the CJ it tells who the certified instructor is. My point about freeing up other officers is that it is easier for one person in the gyro to cover, for example, 27 during the cruise instead of having 10 cruisers going up and down 27 who can't get anywhere for the traffic. A couple officers can patrol 27 while the others that were usually on 27 can go somewhere else.
I know Nelson isn't the pilot! Lt. Smith is the pilot. I told you, I know who the pilot is and I never said it was Nelson. Sheesh.
Someone

Columbus, IN

#33 Apr 30, 2013
Preach It wrote:
<quoted text>I know Nelson isn't the pilot! Lt. Smith is the pilot. I told you, I know who the pilot is and I never said it was Nelson. Sheesh.
You are the one that made it sound like Nelson was giving the lessons:

"Also, if they are in a bind for man-power, as Nelson stated in the CJ, maybe he *should* help answer calls instead of giving lessons until the other officers get some relief."
ToCanSam

Somerset, KY

#35 Apr 30, 2013
Maybe Nelson should go out on calls, they do not have a police chief right now, if he gave up the acting police chief job that would free up money to hire more officers
Tired

Lenoir, NC

#36 Apr 30, 2013
whatever wrote:
<quoted text>
They don't want guys like me. I've been places and done things(military).
I'm too real for this local crowd. These little wannabees couldn't handle a guy who's all about business and knows how to get it done.
I've known some of those guys since high school. They're all about their little egos. Always have been.
After a while you get tired of arresting the same people for the same crimes. The courts just put them back on the street as long as they pay their weekly installments.
Just ride around in your little toys and tell yourselves that you matter.
Run for sheriff
Someone

Somerset, KY

#37 Apr 30, 2013
ToCanSam wrote:
Maybe Nelson should go out on calls, they do not have a police chief right now, if he gave up the acting police chief job that would free up money to hire more officers
He stated at the Council meeting he would move to lower position with less pay to give the extra money to everyone else. That was in the CJ story.
lol

Lockport, KY

#38 May 1, 2013
Its funny that everyone on here thinks that they know everything, the most you start out at pay wise is 30k with a degree. With no experience or degree SPD starts you out around 24k a year. State police start out around 40k a year. Learn your facts before you preach em!
wow

Lockport, KY

#39 May 1, 2013
SPD making 50k a year? Ahbahahahah lol, that made my Wednesday morning reading that!
Somerset Living

Lockport, KY

#40 May 1, 2013
lol wrote:
Its funny that everyone on here thinks that they know everything, the most you start out at pay wise is 30k with a degree. With no experience or degree SPD starts you out around 24k a year. State police start out around 40k a year. Learn your facts before you preach em!
Dead on
Oh well

Lockport, KY

#41 May 1, 2013
whatever wrote:
<quoted text>
They don't want guys like me. I've been places and done things(military).
I'm too real for this local crowd. These little wannabees couldn't handle a guy who's all about business and knows how to get it done.
I've known some of those guys since high school. They're all about their little egos. Always have been.
After a while you get tired of arresting the same people for the same crimes. The courts just put them back on the street as long as they pay their weekly installments.
Just ride around in your little toys and tell yourselves that you matter.
You're right in that they aren't serious about crime. There seems to be a live and let live attitude on crime around here. No, it's not that bad here, but it could be cleaned up.

They wouldn't elect an outsider here no matter the qualifications. They'd rather have some local simpletons running things and doing nothing.
Oh well

Lockport, KY

#42 May 1, 2013
One more thing. If the local cops can't generate revenue in something then they don't care about it.

They'd rather ticket you for no seat belt than investigate a break in.

They've become nothing more than tax collectors.
Hopper

London, KY

#43 May 1, 2013
Well, they did put crime scene tape around a dirt pile.
They also put it around the wrong dirtpile.
Someone

Indianapolis, IN

#44 May 1, 2013
Oh well wrote:
One more thing. If the local cops can't generate revenue in something then they don't care about it.

They'd rather ticket you for no seat belt than investigate a break in.

They've become nothing more than tax collectors.
Where do you think fines and court fees go? They get something from everyone they send to court for anything. Generating revenue isn't the problem. They have money coming in and can still cover most if their operating cost but they do not get enough to cover the rising cost of everything plus trying to figure out a way to be competitive in pay. The incentives being offered by KSP right now are too good to pass up. They had to do something though because of how many they were losing to retirement.

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