Pulaski Co Library

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#104 Oct 27, 2012
I had a friend named Red -
He said it came from the fact that he red a book -
average joe

Elizabethtown, KY

#105 Oct 27, 2012
Okay, this issue is supposedly about a $1 increase per $100,000.00 annually, and how the monies were allocated?
First of all the ones we have voted into office, the ones whose salaries were listed in CJ on the below date are the ones concerned with that dollar. Please read the comments made by those
we elected into office to represent us. Those who we pay very well to make sure they have the citizens/taxpayers best interest at heart. Is their statements and recommendations what you
want? It isn't what I want or would expect from someone I voted into office. A man is only good as his "word". Say what you mean, and mean what you say. If you don't mean it, you don't
understand it, you have not enough information about it-it is best at that point to EDUCATE youself before you do speak.
The current elected officials are very supportive and verbal about the fountain square. To the tune of $1 million renovation.
“It got us to thinking about what else could be done to make the fountain square area even nicer for our community,” Bullock said.
That quick fix evolved into a grant request that led to a $1 million renovation project.
Feb. 13, 2010
Concerns have been expressed that magistrates might exercise their constitutional right to a salary equal to the county judge-executive which is more than $80,000 annually.
In addition to a base annual salary of $30,000, each Pulaski County magistrate gets $300 a month, or $3,600 a year in undocumented expenses.
The county also pays expenses for magistrates to attend sessions to qualify for a state-paid training incentive of up to $3,800 a year, and the county pays for magistrates’ health insurance.
Sept 5 “If you’re not happy with what the library board’s doing ... we got to get that petition going and see if we can dissolve it if you’re not happy with it,” said 4th District Magistrate Glenn Maxey.
October 23 “When they (citizens) came in to court and asked us about it, me personally I just advised the community to do what they think was best for them and for the library,”
said 4th District Magistrate Glenn Maxey.
Sept 5
Other magistrates seemed to agree with Maxey’s statement.(statement above for Sept. 5)
“I think it’s really important for the board to see ... the citizens are fed up with it and they’re going to take action to dissolve this board,” said 1st District Magistrate Jason Turpen.
Keeney stated that this year’s increase amounts to an approximate $1 dollar increase per $100,000 of property.
"So if they do their job there ain’t nothing we can do,” Strunk said.
“They (the library board) are going to raise theirs (tax rates) every time they get a chance,” Strunk continued.“I think we really need to be looking hard at this and trying to be doing something with that board.”
“They could even decide to lower tax rates if they wanted to,” said Pulaski County Judge-executive Barty Bullock. Keeney emphasized that the library board meetings are open to the public and that the court is welcome to sit in.
“That’s what you all are down there doing that for,” said 2nd District Magistrate Mike Wilson.“We shouldn’t have to be down there. You ought to be responsible enough to take care of it.”
average joe

Elizabethtown, KY

#106 Oct 27, 2012
The above is statements taken from the CJ- one time Maxey is stating "we go to get that petition going"-next time Maxey said he told them before to do what is best for them and the board. Either Cj didn't report that part or ?---Strunk "if they do their job there ain't nothing we can do with them"- of course do your job and there shouldn't be.
-Strunk continued.“I think we really need to be looking hard at this and trying to be doing something with that board.”
-“I think it’s really important for the board to see ... the citizens are fed up with it and they’re going to take action to dissolve this board,” said 1st District Magistrate Jason Turpen.

Yes there was some citizens that voiced their opinion they didn't like the tax increase but who are those that are pushing to get the petition going? The petition that is being circulated to dissolve board and in the end will CLOSE the library. We will also still be paying that $1.00, the dollar that we are spending 30,000 per magistrate to sit in fiscal court and discuss, dispute, and argue over.
Bruce Kenney

Hazard, KY

#107 Oct 27, 2012
y'all need to left things be. I mow the grass there and make a lot of money doing it. So, Shut up. My wife gave me the job.

Level 5

Since: Mar 12

Reynoldsburg, OH

#108 Oct 27, 2012
average joe wrote:
The above is statements taken from the CJ- one time Maxey is stating "we go to get that petition going"-next time Maxey said he told them before to do what is best for them and the board. Either Cj didn't report that part or ?---Strunk "if they do their job there ain't nothing we can do with them"- of course do your job and there shouldn't be.
-Strunk continued.“I think we really need to be looking hard at this and trying to be doing something with that board.”
-“I think it’s really important for the board to see ... the citizens are fed up with it and they’re going to take action to dissolve this board,” said 1st District Magistrate Jason Turpen.
Yes there was some citizens that voiced their opinion they didn't like the tax increase but who are those that are pushing to get the petition going? The petition that is being circulated to dissolve board and in the end will CLOSE the library. We will also still be paying that $1.00, the dollar that we are spending 30,000 per magistrate to sit in fiscal court and discuss, dispute, and argue over.
Great information! It is very interesting to see how quick some were to jump on this in a effort to try to gain political capital without thinking of the consequences. Don't forget these names on election day folks. Help to civilize the circus that is our county government.
gonzo

London, KY

#109 Oct 27, 2012
average joe wrote:
Okay, this issue is supposedly about a $1 increase per $100,000.00 annually, and how the monies were allocated?
First of all the ones we have voted into office, the ones whose salaries were listed in CJ on the below date are the ones concerned with that dollar. Please read the comments made by those
we elected into office to represent us. Those who we pay very well to make sure they have the citizens/taxpayers best interest at heart. Is their statements and recommendations what you
want? It isn't what I want or would expect from someone I voted into office. A man is only good as his "word". Say what you mean, and mean what you say. If you don't mean it, you don't
understand it, you have not enough information about it-it is best at that point to EDUCATE youself before you do speak.
The current elected officials are very supportive and verbal about the fountain square. To the tune of $1 million renovation.
“It got us to thinking about what else could be done to make the fountain square area even nicer for our community,” Bullock said.
That quick fix evolved into a grant request that led to a $1 million renovation project.
Feb. 13, 2010
Concerns have been expressed that magistrates might exercise their constitutional right to a salary equal to the county judge-executive which is more than $80,000 annually.
In addition to a base annual salary of $30,000, each Pulaski County magistrate gets $300 a month, or $3,600 a year in undocumented expenses.
The county also pays expenses for magistrates to attend sessions to qualify for a state-paid training incentive of up to $3,800 a year, and the county pays for magistrates’ health insurance.
Sept 5 “If you’re not happy with what the library board’s doing ... we got to get that petition going and see if we can dissolve it if you’re not happy with it,” said 4th District Magistrate Glenn Maxey.
October 23 “When they (citizens) came in to court and asked us about it, me personally I just advised the community to do what they think was best for them and for the library,”
said 4th District Magistrate Glenn Maxey.
Sept 5
Other magistrates seemed to agree with Maxey’s statement.(statement above for Sept. 5)
“I think it’s really important for the board to see ... the citizens are fed up with it and they’re going to take action to dissolve this board,” said 1st District Magistrate Jason Turpen.
Keeney stated that this year’s increase amounts to an approximate $1 dollar increase per $100,000 of property.
"So if they do their job there ain’t nothing we can do,” Strunk said.
“They (the library board) are going to raise theirs (tax rates) every time they get a chance,” Strunk continued.“I think we really need to be looking hard at this and trying to be doing something with that board.”
“They could even decide to lower tax rates if they wanted to,” said Pulaski County Judge-executive Barty Bullock. Keeney emphasized that the library board meetings are open to the public and that the court is welcome to sit in.
“That’s what you all are down there doing that for,” said 2nd District Magistrate Mike Wilson.“We shouldn’t have to be down there. You ought to be responsible enough to take care of it.”
Summarize... I think I understand.. OK
gonzo

London, KY

#110 Oct 27, 2012
Why petition to close the library when we need a petition to change the laws of "certificate of need' at the state level, maybe Pulaski County can have another Hospital..God only knows we need anoth....no everyone knows we need another hospital... gonna spend time, energy, political hay... money or whatever..do it for a good cause...asinine to close the library..another Hospital..competition..jobs..b etter health care..good political and common sense idea.
Seriously

London, KY

#111 Oct 28, 2012
9 million???.. OUTRAGEOUS. Look what 9 m illion buys you. http://www.wellcomemat.com/video/DC8184523CAP... pool with waterfall, swim up bar..grotto etc. What a ripoff. Someone needs to be hung for this one. Whoever authorized a 9 million dollar payoff for a 1 million dollar building needs nto be locked up.
Olivia Minton

Brownsville, TN

#112 Oct 28, 2012
Seriously wrote:
9 million???.. OUTRAGEOUS. Look what 9 m illion buys you. http://www.wellcomemat.com/video/DC8184523CAP... pool with waterfall, swim up bar..grotto etc. What a ripoff. Someone needs to be hung for this one. Whoever authorized a 9 million dollar payoff for a 1 million dollar building needs nto be locked up.
You can thank D.W. Wilburn for the cost of the building and the fact that they are having all the problems with it. He should really stick to overcharging the county school system for everything they build.
Earnest Tubb

London, KY

#113 Oct 28, 2012
You wont convince me the library is doing any money mismanagement so I don't need to see their budget although if I wanted to I could go to the library and ask for it but I did search for their annual report an found last years' online if anyone cares to see how good pulaski county is in comparison with other counties. http://kdla.ky.gov/common/aboutkdla/Documents...
Earnest Tubb

London, KY

#114 Oct 28, 2012
I put the wrong link.

Here is the correct one for the annual report and there is a lot of budget information there.

http://kdla.ky.gov/librarians/plssd/Documents...
Paul Revere

London, KY

#115 Oct 28, 2012
So the current debt of the Library is $9.5 million and that all came from the cost to build the facility. Curious. How much was the projected cost of the library before construction began and the bond was issued? There are always cost overruns and they are usually figured into the budget. Sometimes as much as 20%. But, the number I recall was around $5 million. So, were has the rest of the $9.5 million come from?

I also have to question the claim that the dissolution of the board would result in the Library closing. Apparently a situation very similiar to this was resolved in Boone County. Although I have to admit to not having researched that specific situation. Although I intend to.

And it would appear that the Library board is using taxpayer funds to compensate their attorney. Again, a decision in which no one but the Board has a say. This is indicative of the major complaint many people have with the autonomous nature of such a self-appointed organization.

Level 5

Since: Mar 12

United States

#116 Oct 29, 2012
Paul Revere wrote:
So the current debt of the Library is $9.5 million and that all came from the cost to build the facility. Curious. How much was the projected cost of the library before construction began and the bond was issued? There are always cost overruns and they are usually figured into the budget. Sometimes as much as 20%. But, the number I recall was around $5 million. So, were has the rest of the $9.5 million come from?
I also have to question the claim that the dissolution of the board would result in the Library closing. Apparently a situation very similiar to this was resolved in Boone County. Although I have to admit to not having researched that specific situation. Although I intend to.
And it would appear that the Library board is using taxpayer funds to compensate their attorney. Again, a decision in which no one but the Board has a say. This is indicative of the major complaint many people have with the autonomous nature of such a self-appointed organization.
Some of this was posted earlier. The debt is not, as popularly assumed, at its peak. 2 years ago it was $11 million. It has been declining since then. However, the political climate is different now and we are in an election cycle so it became a target.

I will try to look this up but I know the initial plan was for a facility of around $5 million. The resulting facility was higher than that. I believe the plan itself was modified which increased most of the cost, rather than overruns. There were overruns as well and design issues but I think most of it was due to changes in plans. What I mean is that I think the initial library size was smaller than what was built. It seems like this was all in the paper at the time, underscoring the bizarre timing of this anti-library action. I will investigate it and post what I find out though.

As far as the closing of the library is concerned, post what you know about the Boone County situation. I do know that the library side got opinions from lawyers, the library associations and the county attorney. The petitioners, as of yesterday, had not investigated a single avenue of keeping the library open. It does not magically work out. If they want to dissolve the district, they need to at least try to educate themselves as to what will happen without expecting other people to figure it out for them. I know Barbara is telling people it can't close because they owe so much money, as if that means anything. However, that is precisely why it will close since being open is not considered necessary for paying the debt. On the one hand you have opinions from lawyers and the KDLA and on the other, the ramblings of someone who clearly has no idea what she is doing.

As far as using attorney money goes, this is the silliest of all complaints. The existence of the library system is in question. I would expect them to protect themselves from closing. It's what they should be doing. They have the right to defend themselves from an angry mob.
Common Sense

Manchester, KY

#117 Oct 29, 2012
Paul Revere wrote:
So the current debt of the Library is $9.5 million and that all came from the cost to build the facility. Curious. How much was the projected cost of the library before construction began and the bond was issued? There are always cost overruns and they are usually figured into the budget. Sometimes as much as 20%. But, the number I recall was around $5 million. So, were has the rest of the $9.5 million come from?
I also have to question the claim that the dissolution of the board would result in the Library closing. Apparently a situation very similiar to this was resolved in Boone County. Although I have to admit to not having researched that specific situation. Although I intend to.
And it would appear that the Library board is using taxpayer funds to compensate their attorney. Again, a decision in which no one but the Board has a say. This is indicative of the major complaint many people have with the autonomous nature of such a self-appointed organization.
Just a couple of points.

I am not sure what the original cost was supposed to be. I am sure there were overruns. But, as with most contractors, what do you do when you are half done with a building any they come back and point out things you missed? Just stop and let it sit?

The petition is not to dissolve the library board but the TAXING DISTRICT. This is where the legal ramifications come in.

Lastly, I seem to remember our county government spending several hundred thousand dollars of tax money on a Ten Commandments issue. Is the library spending a little money to stay in business really in a league with what our county officials did with our tax dollars?

“EvIL GeNiUs ”

Level 3

Since: Jul 08

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#118 Oct 29, 2012
Public meeting Nov 1 @6 at the main library. The library board as well as petitioners will me there
Westwood

Manchester, KY

#119 Oct 29, 2012
ohsoyummy wrote:
Public meeting Nov 1 @6 at the main library. The library board as well as petitioners will me there
If both will be there it has the opportunity to turn into a giant fiasco. Both sides reigning doom and gloom if the other side gets their way. You couldn't pay me to go.

Level 5

Since: Mar 12

United States

#120 Oct 29, 2012
Common Sense wrote:
<quoted text>
Just a couple of points.
I am not sure what the original cost was supposed to be. I am sure there were overruns. But, as with most contractors, what do you do when you are half done with a building any they come back and point out things you missed? Just stop and let it sit?
The petition is not to dissolve the library board but the TAXING DISTRICT. This is where the legal ramifications come in.
Lastly, I seem to remember our county government spending several hundred thousand dollars of tax money on a Ten Commandments issue. Is the library spending a little money to stay in business really in a league with what our county officials did with our tax dollars?
Great point about the 10 commandments cost. Wonder why the tea people aren't fixating on that? Could it be because they support wasteful government expenses when it promotes their agenda?
Paul Revere

London, KY

#121 Oct 29, 2012
It's Monday so I don't have alot of time to do a search but, apparently the Boone County Fiscal Court took over management of their library after dissolving their board. Debt was supposedly involved there as well. Again, this is what I was told and I haven't had a chance to check those facts.
I do know that our library board is not paid. And apparently a couple of the board members are lawyers themselves?
I do not agree with them using taxpayer funds to retain a attorney. Again, they didn't have to consult with anyone on that matter. That simple fact (and their ability to raise taxes without consent) is what has many up in arms.
Paul Revere

London, KY

#122 Oct 29, 2012
dionysio wrote:
<quoted text>
Great point about the 10 commandments cost. Wonder why the tea people aren't fixating on that? Could it be because they support wasteful government expenses when it promotes their agenda?
First, I don't support the County spending money on an attorney for the 10 Commandments thing. But, I also don't think it should ever have been an issue.
Second, if enough people have a problem with County officials spending money in that manner, they have the option to vote them out. Voters do NOT have that option with the library board.
Apple and oranges.

Level 5

Since: Mar 12

Reynoldsburg, OH

#123 Oct 29, 2012
Paul Revere wrote:
It's Monday so I don't have alot of time to do a search but, apparently the Boone County Fiscal Court took over management of their library after dissolving their board. Debt was supposedly involved there as well. Again, this is what I was told and I haven't had a chance to check those facts.
I do know that our library board is not paid. And apparently a couple of the board members are lawyers themselves?
I do not agree with them using taxpayer funds to retain a attorney. Again, they didn't have to consult with anyone on that matter. That simple fact (and their ability to raise taxes without consent) is what has many up in arms.
I am pretty adept at the Googlage and I could not find anything related to what you are talking about. The Boone County Public Library is not funded through the Fiscal Court. It is funded, like ours, through a special taxing district:

http://www.boonecountyky.org/boardscommission...

I believe you probably heard some chatter from other tea folk about a separate issue in Boone County which is the Northern Kentucky Area Planning Commission. There is a movement among the tea people of Northern KY to dissolve that:

http://www.nkyteaparty.org/index.php...

I apologize for that site. It's the NKY Tea Party's website and it looks spammy but it's the real deal. I should point out that combing through that nonsense was insightful in unexpected ways. Even though it is filled with birtherism comments and conspiracies of varied sorts, there was a nice little bit about the Library Tax in Campbell County and the recommendation of the NKY Tea Party is for Campbell County to oppose the increase, not dissolve the district. Isn't that fascinating? You know what I bet it is. I bet those northern tea folk aren't hardcore enough.

http://www.nkyteaparty.org/index.php...

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