DirtGuy

Bimble, KY

#131 Jan 29, 2013
I wonder how the number of quota licenses is actually determined? Is it based strictly on population or is there a "fudge" factor which might take into account tourists or college students? Personally, I think a free market approach would be better than the state deciding the number of businesses that can operate.

“smiling on a cloudy day”

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Since: Jan 09

Shakedown Street

#132 Jan 29, 2013
DirtGuy wrote:
I wonder how the number of quota licenses is actually determined? Is it based strictly on population or is there a "fudge" factor which might take into account tourists or college students? Personally, I think a free market approach would be better than the state deciding the number of businesses that can operate.
Supposedly it is based on population, 1 per every 2700 residents. Now that would mean they fudged a little, since we're only 11K. Maybe they round up?

They have followed that formula in all the recent allocations, Manchester just got 2(I don't even think they have 2700 people, but the state has to award a minimum of 2), and Corbin got 3 or 4.

But, if what the paper says is true, then Pikeville got 11, and they have nowhere near that many people. And the city just went wet there, Pike county is still dry.

What don't make sense, you look at a place like Perry Co. or Floyd Co., where the entire county went wet. Well they each got like 30 or 40 licenses, so many they can't even give them all away. Now combine the populations of Floyd and Perry county and you still don't get the population of Pulaski, yet we got 5 licenses and they got 60+ between them.

“smiling on a cloudy day”

Level 7

Since: Jan 09

Shakedown Street

#133 Jan 29, 2013
Lancaster got 3, Junction City got 2, Danville got 6.

In Hardin County, Radcliff got 6, Vine Grove got 2, Elizabethtown got 11. Hardin county is dry, each town voted to go wet individually. We're about the same size geographically, Pulaski is a little bigger, yet they have 19 liquor stores spread out over three separate towns whereas we get 5 all crammed together within a 3 mile radius on Hwy 27?

The system in place by the state ABC board is broken. Kentucky just needs to do away with the local option crap, let the market decide. If a county like Casey or Russell or Laurel doesn't want a liquor store, then they won't get the business to stay open, right?

“smiling on a cloudy day”

Level 7

Since: Jan 09

Shakedown Street

#134 Jan 29, 2013
According to the 2010 census, Manchester only has 1,255 population. That's about 1/3 what it takes to qualify as a class 4 city, but they're classified as such anyways.

Now, think about this. Liquor Mart, having built a store in Danville when it first became wet, is currently in court trying to reverse the decision by the state that made Junction City a class 4 city. Junction City was a class 5, their population was 2,241 in 2010, around 750 shy of the 3,000 mark for a class 4 city. The state made them one about two years ago.

Of course, being elevated to a class 4 city allowed Junction City to vote for package alcohol sales, which they passed. Liquor Mart, having a store in Danville, thought that would hurt their business coming up 127 from the south.

Now, who has one of the two stores in Manchester, a class 4 city with less than half the population of Junction City?

Liquor Mart!!!!

Just another example of the craziness and politics involved with alcohol sales in Kentucky. Time for change at the state level?
Grey Boxer

London, KY

#135 Jan 29, 2013
Bronston Man wrote:
According to the 2010 census, Manchester only has 1,255 population. That's about 1/3 what it takes to qualify as a class 4 city, but they're classified as such anyways.
Now, think about this. Liquor Mart, having built a store in Danville when it first became wet, is currently in court trying to reverse the decision by the state that made Junction City a class 4 city. Junction City was a class 5, their population was 2,241 in 2010, around 750 shy of the 3,000 mark for a class 4 city. The state made them one about two years ago.
Of course, being elevated to a class 4 city allowed Junction City to vote for package alcohol sales, which they passed. Liquor Mart, having a store in Danville, thought that would hurt their business coming up 127 from the south.
Now, who has one of the two stores in Manchester, a class 4 city with less than half the population of Junction City?
Liquor Mart!!!!
Just another example of the craziness and politics involved with alcohol sales in Kentucky. Time for change at the state level?
What about Burnside getting elevated to a 4th class city like Junction City did? Weren't they waiting to see how it went so they could follow in their footsteps?

I hope Burnside is eventually allowed to sell alcohol. They kind of spearheaded the alcohol sales by going moist. I hope they get to cash in on the money.
ekkop

San Jose, CA

#136 Jan 29, 2013
HI ALL!!!!!

Level 5

Since: Mar 12

Hopkinsville, KY

#137 Jan 29, 2013
Bronston Man wrote:
<quoted text>
Supposedly it is based on population, 1 per every 2700 residents. Now that would mean they fudged a little, since we're only 11K. Maybe they round up?
They have followed that formula in all the recent allocations, Manchester just got 2(I don't even think they have 2700 people, but the state has to award a minimum of 2), and Corbin got 3 or 4.
But, if what the paper says is true, then Pikeville got 11, and they have nowhere near that many people. And the city just went wet there, Pike county is still dry.
What don't make sense, you look at a place like Perry Co. or Floyd Co., where the entire county went wet. Well they each got like 30 or 40 licenses, so many they can't even give them all away. Now combine the populations of Floyd and Perry county and you still don't get the population of Pulaski, yet we got 5 licenses and they got 60+ between them.
They go by not only the population of the city, but also the population of the county in which the city is located as well as tourism numbers. This was in the paper before as well but it does underscore just how badly they messed it up. Somerset is selling nearly double the beer that Danville is selling and by summer, it will probably be triple, yet we got fewer licenses. It makes no sense at all. It also makes no sense how they determined which businesses got the licenses. I think they should just hand out 4 more and save everyone the trouble of digging into that corrupt underworld they are undoubtedly engaged in.

Pikeville getting 11 licenses makes no sense whatsoever. Somerset is much larger and much more vital to the state economy. Whatever criteria they used in making that decision was outlandishly unfair. I would say that if you got right down to it, there was pressure to keep people in Somerset driving to the Bluegrass region to spending their money. It's the same with the fabled SKU or any other positive development where Lexington/Richmond lobby fiercely against the idea of progress here. Nobody in Pikeville is driving to Lexington to get their liquor, so it makes no difference how many licenses they get.

“smiling on a cloudy day”

Level 7

Since: Jan 09

Shakedown Street

#138 Jan 29, 2013
Grey Boxer wrote:
<quoted text>
What about Burnside getting elevated to a 4th class city like Junction City did? Weren't they waiting to see how it went so they could follow in their footsteps?
I hope Burnside is eventually allowed to sell alcohol. They kind of spearheaded the alcohol sales by going moist. I hope they get to cash in on the money.
Burnside did express interest in getting the state legislature into making them a class 4 city. I hope they can do so, but it will be hard given they only have an official population around 700. Plus, I think Somerset will fight them and petition the state legislature against the upgrade, just like certain elements in Danville are fighting the decision making Junction City a class 4 city.

“smiling on a cloudy day”

Level 7

Since: Jan 09

Shakedown Street

#139 Jan 29, 2013
dionysio wrote:
<quoted text>
They go by not only the population of the city, but also the population of the county in which the city is located as well as tourism numbers. This was in the paper before as well but it does underscore just how badly they messed it up. Somerset is selling nearly double the beer that Danville is selling and by summer, it will probably be triple, yet we got fewer licenses. It makes no sense at all. It also makes no sense how they determined which businesses got the licenses. I think they should just hand out 4 more and save everyone the trouble of digging into that corrupt underworld they are undoubtedly engaged in.
Pikeville getting 11 licenses makes no sense whatsoever. Somerset is much larger and much more vital to the state economy. Whatever criteria they used in making that decision was outlandishly unfair. I would say that if you got right down to it, there was pressure to keep people in Somerset driving to the Bluegrass region to spending their money. It's the same with the fabled SKU or any other positive development where Lexington/Richmond lobby fiercely against the idea of progress here. Nobody in Pikeville is driving to Lexington to get their liquor, so it makes no difference how many licenses they get.
Very true, all you said. Good post!

You brought up a good point. I wonder how much interest there is in keeping all of southern Kentucky into driving to Richmond or Lexington for alcohol?
ryback

Somerset, KY

#143 Jan 30, 2013
Corbin collected about 80,000 dollars from booze and two liquor stores last month. Every day these stores aren't opened is money down the drain!
Westwood

London, KY

#144 Jan 31, 2013
Let the fireworks begin, direct quote from the paper:

"One action the city has taken is to not approve licenses for four of the five applicants that the state approved — Rite-Aid, Walgreens, Apple’s Wine and Spirits, and First Stop Party Supply and Package Store.
Only Wildcat Beer, Wine, and Spirits, Inc.— set to be located on South U.S. 27 in the area near Lake Cumberland Regional Hospital — will receive their license from the city promptly, as Girdler said that it was one of the applicants that met the city’s own economic impact criteria."
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Since: Sep 09

Location hidden

#145 Jan 31, 2013
Westwood wrote:
Let the fireworks begin, direct quote from the paper:
"One action the city has taken is to not approve licenses for four of the five applicants that the state approved — Rite-Aid, Walgreens, Apple’s Wine and Spirits, and First Stop Party Supply and Package Store.
Only Wildcat Beer, Wine, and Spirits, Inc.— set to be located on South U.S. 27 in the area near Lake Cumberland Regional Hospital — will receive their license from the city promptly, as Girdler said that it was one of the applicants that met the city’s own economic impact criteria."
Ok, so your mayor has some kind of deal with a big box liquor store and is going to push the State for more licenses.
However, while he plays his political games he is seriously hurting at least the other two small business owners that were approved for a license.
Rite-Aid and Walgreens want to sell but they can financially wait.
Why not give the little guy in the town a break and let him open?
Mayor sounds like his head is too big for his hat!
Westwood

London, KY

#146 Jan 31, 2013
Challenger99 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok, so your mayor has some kind of deal with a big box liquor store and is going to push the State for more licenses.
However, while he plays his political games he is seriously hurting at least the other two small business owners that were approved for a license.
Rite-Aid and Walgreens want to sell but they can financially wait.
Why not give the little guy in the town a break and let him open?
Mayor sounds like his head is too big for his hat!
Yep, our mayor's head is a little big. Stay tuned for a bunch more stuff he'll try to do.
I saw your post about a rocket scientist on another thread. Very interesting. I was involved in the SST prototype and TF-39 development back in the early 60's.
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Since: Sep 09

Location hidden

#147 Jan 31, 2013
Westwood wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, our mayor's head is a little big. Stay tuned for a bunch more stuff he'll try to do.
I saw your post about a rocket scientist on another thread. Very interesting. I was involved in the SST prototype and TF-39 development back in the early 60's.
Good programs. Besides the Space Program I spent a lot of time at Edwards AFB (North and South, Johnston Island and was a Janet Red Stripper. Now just a part time lobbyist in DC.
TiStF

Somerset, KY

#148 Jan 31, 2013
I am curious as to why only 5 license and no "large volume" stores. Anybody know, well have a guess?
Westwood

London, KY

#149 Jan 31, 2013
TiStF wrote:
I am curious as to why only 5 license and no "large volume" stores. Anybody know, well have a guess?
That's what the mayor wants to know.
Longtimerburnsid er

Manchester, KY

#150 Jan 31, 2013
Edward Girdler=Liquor Nazi. No Beam for you...... Till I get who I want a license
waste

Bulan, KY

#151 Jan 31, 2013
TiStF wrote:
I am curious as to why only 5 license and no "large volume" stores. Anybody know, well have a guess?
I drove by the location where "One Stop Party" is going on 27 next to where Gold Craft jewelers was, car lot there now, they have sign in window, hell my damn garage is bigger than that place, I don't see the one stop party taking place there....wasted licsense in my opinion.

Level 5

Since: Mar 12

Hopkinsville, KY

#152 Jan 31, 2013
Bronston Man wrote:
According to the 2010 census, Manchester only has 1,255 population. That's about 1/3 what it takes to qualify as a class 4 city, but they're classified as such anyways.
Now, think about this. Liquor Mart, having built a store in Danville when it first became wet, is currently in court trying to reverse the decision by the state that made Junction City a class 4 city. Junction City was a class 5, their population was 2,241 in 2010, around 750 shy of the 3,000 mark for a class 4 city. The state made them one about two years ago.
Of course, being elevated to a class 4 city allowed Junction City to vote for package alcohol sales, which they passed. Liquor Mart, having a store in Danville, thought that would hurt their business coming up 127 from the south.
Now, who has one of the two stores in Manchester, a class 4 city with less than half the population of Junction City?
Liquor Mart!!!!
Just another example of the craziness and politics involved with alcohol sales in Kentucky. Time for change at the state level?
This is completely true. Thank God Kentucky is not its own country! I would much rather have the Federal Government calling the shots than the clowns in Frankfort, and that's saying something. I have no idea why on earth they couldn't get it together and approve something worth approving down here. Another thing is why on earth did they think about that for so many months before picking such a bizarre group? They could have thrown darts and come up with a better set.

My only hope is that some place like Wildcat Liquors will get so much business (which is a certainty at this point) that they expand dramatically over the short term. Otherwise, we will have to cope with what we were dealt, unless the mayor can conjure up a miracle.

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Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#153 Feb 1, 2013
Do they sell liquor in your grocery stores?

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