Gun education at school

Gun education at school

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Gun free

Wartburg, TN

#1 Jan 12, 2013
Start at a early age in school teaching kids that guns are bad and gun owners are a threat to thier life.

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#2 Jan 13, 2013
Back in the late '50's (maybe early '60's) , @ Parker Elementary , on Bourne Ave. , the Conservation Club had , on occasion , a couple of Conservation Officers , (Mack Wilson being one) , come to the school to teach firearm safety - Great class for younger kids - Back in the corner , towards Walnut street , they tied balloons on rods and we got to shoot them with a .22 rifle , and no one got hurt or killed - Right on school property , in the city limits , residential area - Probably no one else remembers that except me - Guns don't kill , people kill , whether it be a firearm or a hammer -
Moi

Somerset, KY

#3 Jan 13, 2013
I remember at Northern Middle in the mid-nineties we had a ranger come by once a month for a conservation lecture. One month he talked about gun safety, he went over the five rules, had a chart with the ranges of a few calibers (.22,.30-30, and .30-06 I think), showed a few guns, and a few other things.

As I recall Somerset never had any school shootings, guns and gun safety are a part of the local culture.
Oh the Irony

Bellefontaine, OH

#5 Jan 13, 2013
I pointed my finger at someone today and said "Bang". They looked at me confused, but they were not harmed or dead. I guess that puts the arguement of "Guns don't kill people, peole kill people." firmly in the bullsquat column.
OK OK

Loves Park, IL

#6 Jan 13, 2013
Oh the Irony wrote:
I pointed my finger at someone today and said "Bang". They looked at me confused, but they were not harmed or dead. I guess that puts the arguement of "Guns don't kill people, peole kill people." firmly in the bullsquat column.
Make sure that when they get the guns that they round up all of the illegal drugs too.

Once they pass all of these gun laws do you think Obamma will give up his armed guards?
Clear Thinker 2oo

London, KY

#7 Jan 13, 2013
Oh the Irony wrote:
I pointed my finger at someone today and said "Bang". They looked at me confused, but they were not harmed or dead. I guess that puts the arguement of "Guns don't kill people, peole kill people." firmly in the bullsquat column.
Huh? Was ANYBODY able to make sense of this gibberish?
Oh the Irony

Bellefontaine, OH

#8 Jan 13, 2013
My point which so elequently escaped such simple minded people like Clear Thinker 2oo is simply this.

Don't try to BS me.

The story was not that hard to follow.

I am actually for gun ownership, but I will tell anyone that guns kill. Yes, that is correct. I said the big taboo. I said that GUNS KILL PEOPLE.

You send an army to war without guns and you get your donkey handed to you. Why? Because the soldiers do not have the GUNS TO KILL PEOPLE!

Sure, other things kill people. A hammer for instance, a brick can kill people too, or how about a car or a Stanley knive? Yes they all kill.... don't they all have alternative functions though?

A hammer can bang in nails, a brick can build a house or a wall, a car can get you from point a to point b with little effort and great speed and a Stanley knive can cut carpet or plastic.

So what is the alternative for a gun?...Bueller?...Bueller? There is none. A gun's sole function and purpose is to kill or injure.

In the right hands it is a formidible form of protection against evil doers. In the wrong hands, well the evil doers do.

So I understand the whole thing about gun ownership for protection. May the good lord have mercy on the person that comes into my house to harm my family because I sure as Heck will not show any.

Now what about AR models and large clips?

Why does a civillian need a weapon designed for military use? Why does someone need a clip that holds any more than 8 bullets? There is no reason. People just want to push the envelope and try to say that an AR is for protection. Well, I am here to tell you that if you think that an AR is great protection in the confines of your house or apartment you have another thing coming. Also, if you can not hit your target in 8 bullets at close range, another 9 probably will not do you much favor.

Now, as I said, in the right hands guns can be a formidible form of protection and while people out there make death threats against any POTUS, who is also the commander and chief of our armed forces which makes him military personel also, the presidents secret service squad will continue to carry guns.

I'm also for hunting. I don't do it myself, but I support your right to wander amongst the woods and forests with a gun to hunt. Don't call it a sport though. There is no sportsmanship to hunting. It's hunting. Let's call a spade a spade.

Common sense guys. C'mon. Is it just easy for me?
keenanv

Hazard, KY

#9 Jan 13, 2013
Oh the Irony wrote:
My point which so elequently escaped such simple minded people like Clear Thinker 2oo is simply this.
Don't try to BS me.
The story was not that hard to follow.
I am actually for gun ownership, but I will tell anyone that guns kill. Yes, that is correct. I said the big taboo. I said that GUNS KILL PEOPLE.
You send an army to war without guns and you get your donkey handed to you. Why? Because the soldiers do not have the GUNS TO KILL PEOPLE!
Sure, other things kill people. A hammer for instance, a brick can kill people too, or how about a car or a Stanley knive? Yes they all kill.... don't they all have alternative functions though?
A hammer can bang in nails, a brick can build a house or a wall, a car can get you from point a to point b with little effort and great speed and a Stanley knive can cut carpet or plastic.
So what is the alternative for a gun?...Bueller?...Bueller? There is none. A gun's sole function and purpose is to kill or injure.
In the right hands it is a formidible form of protection against evil doers. In the wrong hands, well the evil doers do.
So I understand the whole thing about gun ownership for protection. May the good lord have mercy on the person that comes into my house to harm my family because I sure as Heck will not show any.
Now what about AR models and large clips?
Why does a civillian need a weapon designed for military use? Why does someone need a clip that holds any more than 8 bullets? There is no reason. People just want to push the envelope and try to say that an AR is for protection. Well, I am here to tell you that if you think that an AR is great protection in the confines of your house or apartment you have another thing coming. Also, if you can not hit your target in 8 bullets at close range, another 9 probably will not do you much favor.
Now, as I said, in the right hands guns can be a formidible form of protection and while people out there make death threats against any POTUS, who is also the commander and chief of our armed forces which makes him military personel also, the presidents secret service squad will continue to carry guns.
I'm also for hunting. I don't do it myself, but I support your right to wander amongst the woods and forests with a gun to hunt. Don't call it a sport though. There is no sportsmanship to hunting. It's hunting. Let's call a spade a spade.
Common sense guys. C'mon. Is it just easy for me?
AMEN BROTHER - you're telling it LIKE IT IS!
Clear Thinker 2oo

London, KY

#10 Jan 13, 2013
Oh the Irony wrote:
My point which so elequently escaped such simple minded people like Clear Thinker 2oo is simply this.
Don't try to BS me.
The story was not that hard to follow.
I am actually for gun ownership, but I will tell anyone that guns kill. Yes, that is correct. I said the big taboo. I said that GUNS KILL PEOPLE.
You send an army to war without guns and you get your donkey handed to you. Why? Because the soldiers do not have the GUNS TO KILL PEOPLE!
Sure, other things kill people. A hammer for instance, a brick can kill people too, or how about a car or a Stanley knive? Yes they all kill.... don't they all have alternative functions though?
A hammer can bang in nails, a brick can build a house or a wall, a car can get you from point a to point b with little effort and great speed and a Stanley knive can cut carpet or plastic.
So what is the alternative for a gun?...Bueller?...Bueller? There is none. A gun's sole function and purpose is to kill or injure.
In the right hands it is a formidible form of protection against evil doers. In the wrong hands, well the evil doers do.
So I understand the whole thing about gun ownership for protection. May the good lord have mercy on the person that comes into my house to harm my family because I sure as Heck will not show any.
Now what about AR models and large clips?
Why does a civillian need a weapon designed for military use? Why does someone need a clip that holds any more than 8 bullets? There is no reason. People just want to push the envelope and try to say that an AR is for protection. Well, I am here to tell you that if you think that an AR is great protection in the confines of your house or apartment you have another thing coming. Also, if you can not hit your target in 8 bullets at close range, another 9 probably will not do you much favor.
Now, as I said, in the right hands guns can be a formidible form of protection and while people out there make death threats against any POTUS, who is also the commander and chief of our armed forces which makes him military personel also, the presidents secret service squad will continue to carry guns.
I'm also for hunting. I don't do it myself, but I support your right to wander amongst the woods and forests with a gun to hunt. Don't call it a sport though. There is no sportsmanship to hunting. It's hunting. Let's call a spade a spade.
Common sense guys. C'mon. Is it just easy for me?
Ridiculous. All those items are harmless until someone picks them up and uses them. PEOPLE make the difference, by your twisted logic everything in the universe can kill so is at fault.

Lots of words used, absolutely NOTHING said, and you've wasted everyone's time with this nonsense. Good lord, where do you goobers come from!
Yeah

Loves Park, IL

#11 Jan 13, 2013
Clear Thinker 2oo wrote:
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Ridiculous. All those items are harmless until someone picks them up and uses them. PEOPLE make the difference, by your twisted logic everything in the universe can kill so is at fault.
Lots of words used, absolutely NOTHING said, and you've wasted everyone's time with this nonsense. Good lord, where do you goobers come from!
You're telling it like it is, brother.

“Boogie Chill'un”

Level 6

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#12 Jan 13, 2013
We had gun safety at school, and those of us in the conservation club went to the outdoorsmen's club to shoot skeet when we weren't doing things for Duck's Unlimited. In fact, we even took the hunter's safety course and got our "little orange cards". Tommy Floyd at MMS oversaw it, good times, and good learning.
Oh the Irony

Madisonville, KY

#13 Jan 14, 2013
Clear Thinker 2oo wrote:
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Ridiculous. All those items are harmless until someone picks them up and uses them. PEOPLE make the difference, by your twisted logic everything in the universe can kill so is at fault.
Lots of words used, absolutely NOTHING said, and you've wasted everyone's time with this nonsense. Good lord, where do you goobers come from!
Actually, quite a lot was said. Not only was it said, but it was honest.

You see, you are full of BS. You have bought into the crap that has been slung around that furthers the agendas of those that want to control you. You say that everything is a weapon in the hands of people if they decide to use it as such and while that is true the only thing that remains a weapon regardless of who's hands it is in is a gun. It has no alternative purpose except to destroy, maim and kill. Actually, I said it first and you just acted like a mocking bird and repeated what I said and then claim that I said nothing. Whatever, dude.

I love it when people try to counter my posts by not saying anything to counter the points. Why? Simply because you can not counter what is the truth when it is told bluntly.

You just wanted to respond because you wanted to give a voice to those that have been fed the propaganda and do not have to think for themselves by just contradicting what I said. Contradictions are worth nothing. Anyone can say "No, you're wrong." and not give any reasoning. When it's the truth spoken, it is the truth. You, know it, I know it, all the sheep that buy into the 2nd Ammendment BS know it deep down inside. There is no reason why AR's and large clips should be available for civillian use.

As for gun education in school. Children shooting in school. Let me ask you this question. How do you differentiate between a child taking a gun into school for educational purposes and a child taking a gun into school to shoot someone?

Gun education should be restricted to the home environment and gun range. Anything else is stupity. I guess that is why you are for it.
Yeah

Chicago, IL

#14 Jan 14, 2013
Oh the Irony wrote:
Now what about AR models and large clips?
Why does a civillian need a weapon designed for military use?
Two things. First, because criminals have them and they're not giving their's up. Criminals are your competition, in a home protection situation.
Second, they only look like military weapons. They don't perform like military weapons.
Why does someone need a clip that holds any more than 8 bullets?
Why shouldn't they have them? Why should someone have a hot rod car or a custom chopper? Also, because your competition (criminals) have them.
Also, if you can not hit your target in 8 bullets at close range, another 9 probably will not do you much favor.
You don't know much about percentages, do you?
Is this your version of sound reasoning?
Yeah

Chicago, IL

#15 Jan 14, 2013
Oh the Irony wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, quite a lot was said. Not only was it said, but it was honest.
You see, you are full of BS. You have bought into the crap that has been slung around that furthers the agendas of those that want to control you. You say that everything is a weapon in the hands of people if they decide to use it as such and while that is true the only thing that remains a weapon regardless of who's hands it is in is a gun. It has no alternative purpose except to destroy, maim and kill. Actually, I said it first and you just acted like a mocking bird and repeated what I said and then claim that I said nothing. Whatever, dude.
I love it when people try to counter my posts by not saying anything to counter the points. Why? Simply because you can not counter what is the truth when it is told bluntly.
You just wanted to respond because you wanted to give a voice to those that have been fed the propaganda and do not have to think for themselves by just contradicting what I said. Contradictions are worth nothing. Anyone can say "No, you're wrong." and not give any reasoning. When it's the truth spoken, it is the truth. You, know it, I know it, all the sheep that buy into the 2nd Ammendment BS know it deep down inside. There is no reason why AR's and large clips should be available for civillian use.
As for gun education in school. Children shooting in school. Let me ask you this question. How do you differentiate between a child taking a gun into school for educational purposes and a child taking a gun into school to shoot someone?
Gun education should be restricted to the home environment and gun range. Anything else is stupity. I guess that is why you are for it.
I would't call the 2nd amendment BS.

You also need to understand that there is no precedent for outlawing ARs. If human life and gun violence is your real concern then you would go after handguns. You have bought into the propaganda that demonizes an inanimate object.

I think the real answer to gun violence are the drugs that lower people's inhibition to do such things.
If you want to outlaw something then outlaw psychotropic drugs or confine people while they are on them.
When you get over whatever mental disorder that requires the drug, then we'll let you back out on the street.

“Boogie Chill'un”

Level 6

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#16 Jan 14, 2013
Oh the Irony wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, quite a lot was said. Not only was it said, but it was honest.
You see, you are full of BS. You have bought into the crap that has been slung around that furthers the agendas of those that want to control you. You say that everything is a weapon in the hands of people if they decide to use it as such and while that is true the only thing that remains a weapoon regardless of who's hands it is in is a gun. It has no alternative purpose except to destroy, maim and kill. Actually, I said it first and you just acted like a mocking bird and repeated what I said and then claim that I said nothing. Whatever, dude.
I love it when people try to counter my posts by not saying anything to counter the points. Why? Simply because you can not counter what is the truth when it is told bluntly.
You just wanted to respond because you wanted to give a voice to those that have been fed the propaganda and do not have to think for themselves by just contradicting what I said. Contradictions are worth nothing. Anyone can say "No, you're wrong." and not give any reasoning. When it's the truth spoken, it is the truth. You, know it, I know it, all the sheep that buy into the 2nd Ammendment BS know it deep down inside. There is no reason why AR's and large clips should be available for civillian use.
As for gun education in school. Children shooting in school. Let me ask you this question. How do you differentiate between a child taking a gun into school for educational purposes and a child taking a gun into school to shoot someone?
Gun education should be restricted to the home environment and gun range. Anything else is stupity. I guess that is why you are for it.
Sounds like you bought into the other side's propaganda, so what makes you any better, because it's YOUR side?

What's wrong with educating kids about guns in a conservation style forum? Also, kids NEVER brought weapons in the school, no one brought weapons into the school. Any teaching about guns was done in a field trip setting. To think otherwise is uninformed, misguided, and simply lacks critical thought about the situation.
Clear Thinker 2oo

London, KY

#17 Jan 14, 2013
Oh the Irony wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, quite a lot was said. Not only was it said, but it was honest.
You see, you are full of BS. You have bought into the crap that has been slung around that furthers the agendas of those that want to control you. You say that everything is a weapon in the hands of people if they decide to use it as such and while that is true the only thing that remains a weapon regardless of who's hands it is in is a gun.
What I’m full of is outrage at this kind of misinformation used by anti gunners, and you’re vomiting lots of it. Only guns are weapons? Are you seriously offering this as an argument? Our species has used everything we could lay hands on and perfected it to use as clubs and spears. We’ve used bows/arrows, knives, swords etc etc etc. Anything that can be picked up can be modified and used to kill.
Oh the Irony wrote:
<quoted text>
It has no alternative purpose except to destroy, maim and kill.
Wrong again. My gun’s primary purpose is to create freedom, confidence and peace of mind. I’m free to walk out my door because I never leave without multiple methods to protect me and mine. Having weapons on my person gives me the confidence to stare down a would be bad guy so I won’t need to actually use it. With weapons we are a ‘wolf’, without them we are ‘sheep’, and those different states are displayed in our behavior. Black hats read their victims before acting, they always pick easy targets.
Oh the Irony wrote:
<quoted text>
I love it when people try to counter my posts by not saying anything to counter the points. Why? Simply because you can not counter what is the truth when it is told bluntly.
We don’t respond because there’s too many of you boneheads to bother with all of you. You got plenty of responses now though, still loving it?
Oh the Irony wrote:
<quoted text>
You just wanted to respond because you wanted to give a voice to those that have been fed the propaganda and do not have to think for themselves by just contradicting what I said.
My voice is mine, I speak for none but myself.
Oh the Irony wrote:
<quoted text>
Contradictions are worth nothing. Anyone can say "No, you're wrong." and not give any reasoning. When it's the truth spoken, it is the truth. You, know it, I know it, all the sheep that buy into the 2nd Ammendment BS know it deep down inside.
Not worthy of a response, moving on.
Oh the Irony wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no reason why AR's and large clips should be available for civillian use.


There’s no reason for many things, that’s no argument for banning them. We want them, therefore we should have them.
Oh the Irony wrote:
<quoted text>
As for gun education in school. Children shooting in school. Let me ask you this question. How do you differentiate between a child taking a gun into school for educational purposes and a child taking a gun into school to shoot someone?
Gun education should be restricted to the home environment and gun range. Anything else is stupity. I guess that is why you are for it.
Gun SAFETY should be taught in school, gun use taught in field trips.

You obviously have not put any real thought into any of your positions, you merely parrot what you’ve heard elsewhere.
Oh the Irony

Madisonville, KY

#18 Jan 14, 2013
Well, it's seems I have ruffled some feathers. Good. It's time some of you started thinking.

Let's go down the list, shall we?

I never said to take all guns, just large clips and AR. A semi-auto pistol is more than adequate for home defense.

Civillian AR's are not a complete replica of the military weapon equivilent, but there is still not a sound explanation of why a civillian would need one.

So why shouldn't we have them if our enemies have them. Well, there will always be a black market for these weapons but does this mean that we should be able to arm ourselves with military style weapons? What good is that for defense? None. AR weapons are not tactically sound weapons for home defense. Oh, what? You're going to carry yours with you down the street. Get real.

I know much about percentages. Obviously you know nothing about tactical warfare or reality.

Next.

I never called the 2nd ammendment BS. Pay attention.

Handguns are responsible for many more homicides, but they do not kill as many people at any one time. Again, there is absolutely no reason for a civillian to own a AR or a large clip.

Drugs are a problem. Mental health is a problem too. Just because these are issues does not mean that guns are not also a part of the problem. I've yet to see someone go on a strangling spree.

I'm sure I buy into some propaganda. The thing is, I'm man enough to admit it. The difference between you and I though is that I have the cajones to balance it against other propaganda.

Funny, you don't get to see swords and maces much more in todays society. Guns and maybe a few bows, now a bow is a weapon too. I grant you that, but you also don't get people going postal with bows.

"My gun’s primary purpose is to create freedom, confidence and peace of mind."

F'ing BS!!! You are called out on that one. You carry a gun because you are scared.

Yes, I love these responses. Although they have little merit, it shows that you are trying to think.

There is reason for civillians not to carry them, but no reason for them to have them.

Guns have no place in school for safety or anything else. That should be taught by the childs parents at home or at a gun range. Why? Because guns are a controversial topic based on opinion. Much like religion and abortion. It causes tension between the parents and the school board and leads to tying up the court system with futile law suits.

There you have it. Keep it coming.

“Boogie Chill'un”

Level 6

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#19 Jan 14, 2013
Oh the Irony wrote:
I've yet to see someone go on a strangling spree.
Albert DeSalvo....aka "The Boston Strangler"....just sayin'......not one of victims was armed either.
Clear Thinker 2oo

London, KY

#20 Jan 14, 2013
Oh the Irony wrote:
There you have it. Keep it coming.
Nope, you're too self important and arrogant to waste time on. We're done.
Yeah

Nashville, TN

#21 Jan 14, 2013
Oh the Irony wrote:
Well, it's seems I have ruffled some feathers. Good. It's time some of you started thinking.
Let's go down the list, shall we?
I never said to take all guns, just large clips and AR. A semi-auto pistol is more than adequate for home defense.
Civillian AR's are not a complete replica of the military weapon equivilent, but there is still not a sound explanation of why a civillian would need one.
So why shouldn't we have them if our enemies have them. Well, there will always be a black market for these weapons but does this mean that we should be able to arm ourselves with military style weapons? What good is that for defense? None. AR weapons are not tactically sound weapons for home defense. Oh, what? You're going to carry yours with you down the street. Get real.
I know much about percentages. Obviously you know nothing about tactical warfare or reality.
Next.
I never called the 2nd ammendment BS. Pay attention.
Handguns are responsible for many more homicides, but they do not kill as many people at any one time. Again, there is absolutely no reason for a civillian to own a AR or a large clip.
Drugs are a problem. Mental health is a problem too. Just because these are issues does not mean that guns are not also a part of the problem. I've yet to see someone go on a strangling spree.
I'm sure I buy into some propaganda. The thing is, I'm man enough to admit it. The difference between you and I though is that I have the cajones to balance it against other propaganda.
Funny, you don't get to see swords and maces much more in todays society. Guns and maybe a few bows, now a bow is a weapon too. I grant you that, but you also don't get people going postal with bows.
"My gun’s primary purpose is to create freedom, confidence and peace of mind."
F'ing BS!!! You are called out on that one. You carry a gun because you are scared.
Yes, I love these responses. Although they have little merit, it shows that you are trying to think.
There is reason for civillians not to carry them, but no reason for them to have them.
Guns have no place in school for safety or anything else. That should be taught by the childs parents at home or at a gun range. Why? Because guns are a controversial topic based on opinion. Much like religion and abortion. It causes tension between the parents and the school board and leads to tying up the court system with futile law suits.
There you have it. Keep it coming.
A gun, in my opinion, is a tool for the purpose of protecting one's self and one's family.

A gun is insurance against becoming a victim. To accuse someone of being a coward for being prepared is just silly. I have insurance on my home and automobile also. I guess I'm eaten up with fear, in your opinion. I have a spare tire also. I don't even like changing tires.

Evil exists in this world and folks that lack the preparation to deal with it are the most susceptible to it.

Would you call Obama a coward for having armed guards? Are our judges cowards for having police protection at the judicial building? We protect politicians and money with guns, why not children? Children are more valuable than both.

There will never be a time when the type of weapons you speak of do not exist in the hands of criminals, in this country. Banning them will only disarm honest people.

Lastly, I'm not interested in convicing you of anything. Alot of open minded people read these forums and your post's allow myself and others to tear down your mindless propaganda with sound reasoning. Thanks, for the opportunity to make you look stupid.

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