Northern Middle School
southern parent

London, KY

#45 Oct 3, 2011
I believe all of our 7th grade team have been held back. I don't know why they don't just let them play 8th grade too!
roll

London, KY

#46 Oct 3, 2011
southern parent wrote:
I believe all of our 7th grade team have been held back. I don't know why they don't just let them play 8th grade too!
I don't think all these hold backs are anything at all to be proud of. If you ask me it's putting athletics ahead of education. If they cared half as much about education as they do sports ....we wouldn't be so far down the line on academics.
Its really just pathetic

Villa Rica, GA

#47 Oct 3, 2011
I believe the government provides over 12,000 per year per student. Now take 30 kids holding back two years. That calculates to 720,000. We know there are numerous schools in KY that do this, but we will just say ten. That comes out to 7,200,000 dollars. And we wonder why our government is broke. Our kids won't have jobs and will be paying off the government debt for their entire lives. But hey we will win the middle school state championship.
roll

London, KY

#48 Oct 3, 2011
nmsfootball wrote:
<quoted text>Bell County
There hold backs was based on their scores... Over half the team was failing.. Which goes back to what I said.. If you can't make the grade.. You shouldn't be playing..
roll

London, KY

#49 Oct 3, 2011
Its really just pathetic wrote:
I believe the government provides over 12,000 per year per student. Now take 30 kids holding back two years. That calculates to 720,000. We know there are numerous schools in KY that do this, but we will just say ten. That comes out to 7,200,000 dollars. And we wonder why our government is broke. Our kids won't have jobs and will be paying off the government debt for their entire lives. But hey we will win the middle school state championship.
Thank you for thinking outside the box instead of the parents who only care about here and now. I also agree with NMS who says the same thing. These boys are probably just as good without being held back..
really

London, KY

#50 Oct 3, 2011
Its really just pathetic wrote:
I believe the government provides over 12,000 per year per student. Now take 30 kids holding back two years. That calculates to 720,000. We know there are numerous schools in KY that do this, but we will just say ten. That comes out to 7,200,000 dollars. And we wonder why our government is broke. Our kids won't have jobs and will be paying off the government debt for their entire lives. But hey we will win the middle school state championship.
Maybe if these parents had to pay to hold back unless their child Actually failed.. It might be a different story. Not a bad idea to go to some of our state representatives about.
r u kidden

London, KY

#51 Oct 3, 2011
What is this conversation about anyway? Schools across the state and county for that matter have been holding kids back for years when Northern and several of the North elementary schools wouldn't allow it. There were kids that actually moved to the south side just to hold back. Did it just become a bad thing when the north side started doing it? The kids have already held back so why discuss it? Get concerned about the ones dropping out that you will be paying for for the rest of their lives and their babies too. Work that upon your little calculator.
nmsfootball

United States

#52 Oct 3, 2011
r u kidden wrote:
What is this conversation about anyway? Schools across the state and county for that matter have been holding kids back for years when Northern and several of the North elementary schools wouldn't allow it. There were kids that actually moved to the south side just to hold back. Did it just become a bad thing when the north side started doing it? The kids have already held back so why discuss it? Get concerned about the ones dropping out that you will be paying for for the rest of their lives and their babies too. Work that upon your little calculator.
I agree 110%.
r u kidden

London, KY

#53 Oct 3, 2011
really wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe if these parents had to pay to hold back unless their child Actually failed.. It might be a different story. Not a bad idea to go to some of our state representatives about.
Or better yet let the ones pay who fail...it's costing the taxpayer the same. Maybe they would then make sure their kids did their work and study.
bob

London, KY

#54 Oct 3, 2011
r u kidden wrote:
What is this conversation about anyway? Schools across the state and county for that matter have been holding kids back for years when Northern and several of the North elementary schools wouldn't allow it. There were kids that actually moved to the south side just to hold back. Did it just become a bad thing when the north side started doing it? The kids have already held back so why discuss it? Get concerned about the ones dropping out that you will be paying for for the rest of their lives and their babies too. Work that upon your little calculator.
Hey, it starts somewhere., cheating is cheating. Anyway you look at it. Keep yourself in the grade you are in, play fairly with the kids of your own age and get the crap outa school. If you get a scholarship, you got it because you deserved it. Then get a job. Quit screwing the government for 12 grand a year so little Johnny looks good in middle school- North school- South school- any school.
Its really just pathetic

Villa Rica, GA

#55 Oct 3, 2011
r u kidden wrote:
What is this conversation about anyway? Schools across the state and county for that matter have been holding kids back for years when Northern and several of the North elementary schools wouldn't allow it. There were kids that actually moved to the south side just to hold back. Did it just become a bad thing when the north side started doing it? The kids have already held back so why discuss it? Get concerned about the ones dropping out that you will be paying for for the rest of their lives and their babies too. Work that upon your little calculator.
Actually I have just recently learned about it. It is wrong for any school system to do it. I would have felt the same way about Southern doing it. The state is addressing the ones that drop out by trying to make the compulsory education age 18. Just because something has been done for years does not make it right. The longer it goes on the greater debt we incur. I wonder how many parents that held their kids back would do it if they weren't allowed to play sports.
bob

London, KY

#56 Oct 3, 2011
r u kidden wrote:
<quoted text>Or better yet let the ones pay who fail...it's costing the taxpayer the same. Maybe they would then make sure their kids did their work and study.
Actually not one child failed last year at NMS.. Just a bunch of hold backs
r u kidden

London, KY

#57 Oct 4, 2011
Its really just pathetic wrote:
<quoted text>Actually I have just recently learned about it. It is wrong for any school system to do it. I would have felt the same way about Southern doing it. The state is addressing the ones that drop out by trying to make the compulsory education age 18. Just because something has been done for years does not make it right. The longer it goes on the greater debt we incur. I wonder how many parents that held their kids back would do it if they weren't allowed to play sports.
You WOULD have felt the same way about Southern doing it? They did! A's does Somerset. Some of the holdbacks at Northern actually were held back at another school. This needs to be discussed in a different thread, it is not a Northern problem, it's a State/National problem. People will always find a way....all the way down to K--just start your kid later.
passive aggressive

London, KY

#58 Oct 4, 2011
r u kidden wrote:
<quoted text>
You WOULD have felt the same way about Southern doing it? They did! A's does Somerset. Some of the holdbacks at Northern actually were held back at another school. This needs to be discussed in a different thread, it is not a Northern problem, it's a State/National problem. People will always find a way....all the way down to K--just start your kid later.
The Meece Middle school who won the state football title two years ago were all holdbacks, last years Southern Middle 8th who won the state football title were all holdbacks as was the Northern 7th. The practice of holding back will continue until the rule is changed. All the holdbacks at every school are abiding by the rules. Northern has always had less holdbacks than the other schools until this years 8th grade team. Bottom line, the entire Northern 8th are holdbacks as is the Southern 7th - every middle school team in the state has holdbacks, some more than others
Just saying

Kittanning, PA

#59 Oct 4, 2011
I would not allow my child to play for such a man where his character and personality would be so critically damaged for the rest of his life. The privilege of playing football isn't worth it and if all the parents stood firm either the coach would change his stance or the school would change the coach. Parents it is up to you!!
nmsfootball

United States

#60 Oct 4, 2011
passive aggressive wrote:
<quoted text>The Meece Middle school who won the state football title two years ago were all holdbacks, last years Southern Middle 8th who won the state football title were all holdbacks as was the Northern 7th. The practice of holding back will continue until the rule is changed. All the holdbacks at every school are abiding by the rules. Northern has always had less holdbacks than the other schools until this years 8th grade team. Bottom line, the entire Northern 8th are holdbacks as is the Southern 7th - every middle school team in the state has holdbacks, some more than others
Last years Northern 7th grade team only had 5 hold backs. The rest were either in the 7th grade and had not been held back or was in 6th grade. Many starters were in 6th.
r u kidden

Tomball, TX

#61 Oct 4, 2011
Just saying wrote:
I would not allow my child to play for such a man where his character and personality would be so critically damaged for the rest of his life. The privilege of playing football isn't worth it and if all the parents stood firm either the coach would change his stance or the school would change the coach. Parents it is up to you!!
Change his stance on what?
tell me how

Brownsville, TN

#62 Oct 4, 2011
hows it cheating when everyone can do it and its not illegal?
jumper

London, KY

#65 Oct 4, 2011
Can they play at Somerset if they have F's, they can't at Northern.
nmsfootball

United States

#66 Oct 4, 2011
football wrote:
Meece Middle has a rule that any child that holds back can not play sports the next year, ask the Halls thats why they left. Not only do they hold back at Northern they take their players out of class to do weightlifting during the off season.
I guess that lifting worked too cause we are winning. And guess what? The teachers said it was fine and it didn't hurt anyones grade in the end. So get over it

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