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Ace

United States

#1 Oct 2, 2011
I went to watch the two middle school football games yesterday. Southern blew out Northern and Northern 8 th grade blew out Southern. I was standing on the Northern side with a friend. After the 8th grade game was over with all excitement the Northern Coach yelled out we kicked there butts and we will kick there Coaches butt too, which then caused a reaction. It could have caused a major problem. There was quit a few unsportsmanship calls on Northern that made me wonder due to the conduct of their coach. These boys need to learn the value of being a great sportsman and not to lash out although their coach does. Perhaps he missed that class
Ken Rockne

Somerset, KY

#2 Oct 2, 2011
I too attended the game. One display of poor sportmanship by Northern was not taking a knee while a Southern player was down on the field. It is a common courtesy to do so. What does this say about what Coach Foley is teaching our kids? Is he really the right person to be guiding the Northern program?
No matter how you look at it, FOOTBALL is just a GAME. Teaching your players to not respect the health and well-being of another person is not only poor sportsmanship but wrong and should not be tolerated.
Maybe Foley needs a lesson in setting his priorities.
A parent's TWO CENTS...
nms

London, KY

#3 Oct 2, 2011
Ken Rockne wrote:
I too attended the game. One display of poor sportmanship by Northern was not taking a knee while a Southern player was down on the field. It is a common courtesy to do so. What does this say about what Coach Foley is teaching our kids? Is he really the right person to be guiding the Northern program?
No matter how you look at it, FOOTBALL is just a GAME. Teaching your players to not respect the health and well-being of another person is not only poor sportsmanship but wrong and should not be tolerated.
Maybe Foley needs a lesson in setting his priorities.
A parent's TWO CENTS...
My child plays football for Northern and gets to play a lot...So I'm not a sour parent.. But Coach Foley could care less about sportsmanship and it's getting around.. At any level.. Players should always take a knee when a player is down ... You won't see that with his players.. Winning is great but he's teaching them to win at any cost. My other son plays for coach Hines and he is all about integrity and being able to hold his head up with pride. Coach Hines will not tolerate unsportsmanlike conduct no matter what. Northern has a terrible reputation for holding so many kids back the last few years. The teams should be great half of them should be freshman and sophomores. This has got to stop.. It's making us look bad and it's wasting out taxpayers money..
Northern parent

United States

#4 Oct 2, 2011
I too have a son on Northern and not held back. I have to agree with the other comments. My son does not play as much because of the older ones. And yes coach foley needs to be approached about his football ethics. My son wants to play football we have no choice to play at Northern. We tell him winnings great but its how you win before you can call yourself a winner, cheatings for losers. My son did take a knee along with two others
nms

London, KY

#5 Oct 2, 2011
Northern parent wrote:
I too have a son on Northern and not held back. I have to agree with the other comments. My son does not play as much because of the older ones. And yes coach foley needs to be approached about his football ethics. My son wants to play football we have no choice to play at Northern. We tell him winnings great but its how you win before you can call yourself a winner, cheatings for losers. My son did take a knee along with two others
Bless his heart.. He's a good boy, then. The sad part is the whole team doesn't know or doesn't care to do something that had went on for years when the players are down.

I have another son who is in 6th grade and he doesn't want to play football now after playing all through elementary because he said he can't compete with the kids that have all held back. He knows he wouldn't play much because of the situation. All the holding back has gotten completely out of hand. It's causing perfectly good, competitive kids to not even play. Again.. I have to say... How are we suppose to be proud when every time you mention your kid plays for Northern., instead of being congratulated, people say.. Oh that's the middle school that's held back so many that they play freshman and sophomore kids! The other day at a school game I heard parents laughing saying NMS is one of the few middle schools that the players can drive themselves to school and they said we would need a grant for parking lot for student parking. Coach Foley.. Please... They are winning but your making s fool out of us kids and parents!
Ace

United States

#6 Oct 2, 2011
No, nms Coach Foley has made himself the fool and has been disrespect by his piers. It's not those boys fault on how they played that game. Remember they were taught that way. As far as your son. If he likes football ask him to be patient. It's not fun to him anymore. Hopefully Northern will make some changes within the age groups or the coach who is reliving his insensitive youth. He probably had to sit out on the sidelines a lot for unsportsman like conduct and unnecessary ruffness
So What

Somerset, KY

#7 Oct 2, 2011
Wasn't several of this year's SWHS senior class held back in middle school? I look at it as Northern is finally getting with the program. It happens at every school around the nation and it is legal. No problem with it what-so-ever. I have a child who played and played well throughout elementary, middle and high school and was not held back. He could have been but we decided to let him continue on with his class. We never complained about him playing with kids a year, sometimes 2 years older because it was our choice not to hold him back and the other parents right to hold their child back. As far as poor sportsmanship, it was running wild on BOTH sides of the field. Southern 7th grade onside kicking, up 42-0, with 10 seconds left in the game. Southern's coach coming out on the field during the game screaming and making hand gestures to the Northern sidelines. Southern's head coach requesting a running clock at the end of the 1st qtr... What is that teaching kids? Northern took a butt whoopin' in the 7th grade game and Southern took and even worse one in 8th. Games are over, GET OVER IT!
Nms

London, KY

#8 Oct 2, 2011
Ace wrote:
No, nms Coach Foley has made himself the fool and has been disrespect by his piers. It's not those boys fault on how they played that game. Remember they were taught that way. As far as your son. If he likes football ask him to be patient. It's not fun to him anymore. Hopefully Northern will make some changes within the age groups or the coach who is reliving his insensitive youth. He probably had to sit out on the sidelines a lot for unsportsman like conduct and unnecessary ruffness
Youre right, Ace.. My other two sons have talked to him and he's not afraid of hard practices, even. He can just see what we adults are seeing and we don't even discuss these things around the two younger boys. My oldest son days Coach Hines is 100xs the coach that Foley is. He just says Hines feels like a positive image is everything. and he does. You are right.. Foley is coaching off of his own insecurities. It's true though... All this holding back in middle school has to be addressed... It's a must.. It's our tax money being wasted so Foley looks good.. And our boys practice hard and don't deserve to be cut down like this. If they suffered Academically the year before then they shouldn't have been playing ball.
Ace

United States

#9 Oct 2, 2011
So What: those hand gestures were not aimed at Northern, they were aimed at the ref. Like I said, I was there at the game on Northern side for both games. Southern took their lose with dignity. Northern took their win disrespectfully. Speaking of the coach only. I don't remember Southerns coaches name but I have to hand it to him for holding his composure after the things Foley had said. This has nothing to do with the players. It's about good sportsmamship on the field starting with the coaches who are to set an example for the players. These are Middle School Boys they are beginning to learn and work harder. The time is now to be taught respect on the field and with other players. I seen Southern players help Northern players up and they walked away during confrontation. And Foley never repremended the players, only rewarded with a chuckle and a slap.
nms

London, KY

#10 Oct 2, 2011
So What wrote:
Wasn't several of this year's SWHS senior class held back in middle school? I look at it as Northern is finally getting with the program. It happens at every school around the nation and it is legal. No problem with it what-so-ever. I have a child who played and played well throughout elementary, middle and high school and was not held back. He could have been but we decided to let him continue on with his class. We never complained about him playing with kids a year, sometimes 2 years older because it was our choice not to hold him back and the other parents right to hold their child back. As far as poor sportsmanship, it was running wild on BOTH sides of the field. Southern 7th grade onside kicking, up 42-0, with 10 seconds left in the game. Southern's coach coming out on the field during the game screaming and making hand gestures to the Northern sidelines. Southern's head coach requesting a running clock at the end of the 1st qtr... What is that teaching kids? Northern took a butt whoopin' in the 7th grade game and Southern took and even worse one in 8th. Games are over, GET OVER IT!
Not specifically talking about this past weekends games.. Kids need to be held back for education purposes only.. Period. If they aren't doing well enough to pass.. They shouldn't be playing. I'm not getting over it.. It's just more of our tax dollars being wasted.., that's the problem.. Everyone's supposed to get over it. My kids are all in sports, they do good, but it's extra curricular .. It's time we worry about there education so they can have a life after sports. Half the time .. They have held back two years .. Get a scholarship and then quit the first semester.. ProbAbly sick of going to school 15 years before they enter their first day of college. At any rate Northern has a terrible reputation for holding back students for sports.. Ask Anybody.. It's the talk of the town and I work in surrounding counties and they say the same thing... They want to be recognized for their abilities to win .. Not their abilities for freshman and sophomore age kids to win at middle school level.
nms

London, KY

#11 Oct 2, 2011
Ace wrote:
So What: those hand gestures were not aimed at Northern, they were aimed at the ref. Like I said, I was there at the game on Northern side for both games. Southern took their lose with dignity. Northern took their win disrespectfully. Speaking of the coach only. I don't remember Southerns coaches name but I have to hand it to him for holding his composure after the things Foley had said. This has nothing to do with the players. It's about good sportsmamship on the field starting with the coaches who are to set an example for the players. These are Middle School Boys they are beginning to learn and work harder. The time is now to be taught respect on the field and with other players. I seen Southern players help Northern players up and they walked away during confrontation. And Foley never repremended the players, only rewarded with a chuckle and a slap.
That will not go far with Coach Hines.. He is full of dignity and respect. It will take them much further in life .. Those kids are in for a rude awakening when they get to high school finally... Mine included... There is no singled out celebrating.. They celebrate as one team... There is no rudeness towards the other team... Coach Foley needs to get some tack.. We won (8th) Saturday night but I was totally embarrassed by his attitude...totally
Its really just pathetic

Villa Rica, GA

#12 Oct 2, 2011
Coaches request running clocks all the time when there is not a chance of winning. What is unsportsmanlike is being the other coach and getting mad about it because you want to run up the score. I have relatives outside of KY and none of their schools hold back for sports. The school board needs to address this issue. It isn't fair to other kids or to property owners. Teaching our kids to win no matter what the price is not the lesson we should be teaching. How far in life is that middle school state championship ring going to get you? And when these kids apply for a job and an employer does the math and figures out they were 20 when they graduated high school, how does that appear? Oh wait, I am sure they will explain that they wanted to play middle school football for four years.
nms

London, KY

#13 Oct 2, 2011
Its really just pathetic wrote:
Coaches request running clocks all the time when there is not a chance of winning. What is unsportsmanlike is being the other coach and getting mad about it because you want to run up the score. I have relatives outside of KY and none of their schools hold back for sports. The school board needs to address this issue. It isn't fair to other kids or to property owners. Teaching our kids to win no matter what the price is not the lesson we should be teaching. How far in life is that middle school state championship ring going to get you? And when these kids apply for a job and an employer does the math and figures out they were 20 when they graduated high school, how does that appear? Oh wait, I am sure they will explain that they wanted to play middle school football for four years.
I agree and I know that I agree for many.
Southern Parent

Manchester, KY

#14 Oct 2, 2011
Don't worry about it, our teams are all holdbacks too. If I'm not mistaken we are probably the reason you guys started it because we've been doing it for years.
nmsfootball

Brownsburg, IN

#15 Oct 2, 2011
If I'm not mistaken then most the players at northern are younger then half the teams they've played this year. The other teams are actually surprised at how young some of the HOLDBACKS are. Notice how I said, "how young". Coach foley and the northern teams aren't doing anything wrong with the whole hold back situation. They are just catching up to the rest of the state.
Ken Rockne

Somerset, KY

#16 Oct 2, 2011
Keep on subject of the original post. SPORTSMANSHIP
Children can be taught GOOD sportsmanship at any age or level. And they should be. This includes the kids of NMS as well. Maybe Coach Hines could/would step in and lend a guiding hand.

Parents need to keep this rule in mind when contemplating holding a child back though.
www.khsaa.org
Pursuant to KRS 156.070 (2)(e), a student who becomes nineteen(19) years old before August 1 shall be ineligible for interscholastic
athletic competition. A student who becomes nineteen (19) on or after August 1 shall remain eligible for the entire school year.
nmsfootball

Brownsburg, IN

#17 Oct 2, 2011
Ken Rockne wrote:
Keep on subject of the original post. SPORTSMANSHIP
Children can be taught GOOD sportsmanship at any age or level. And they should be. This includes the kids of NMS as well. Maybe Coach Hines could/would step in and lend a guiding hand.

Parents need to keep this rule in mind when contemplating holding a child back though.
www.khsaa.org
Pursuant to KRS 156.070 (2)(e), a student who becomes nineteen(19) years old before August 1 shall be ineligible for interscholastic
athletic competition. A student who becomes nineteen (19) on or after August 1 shall remain eligible for the entire school year.
That is true. And each and every parent that holds back a child knows this. That is why NONE of the nms players turn 19 before august 1st of their senior year.
anonymous

United States

#18 Oct 2, 2011
I was at that game as well.. I don't know what your talking about with the sportsmanship. I saw everyone on northerns team get down on a knee while the southern player was down? And I was on the southern sideline.
On Time

Manchester, KY

#19 Oct 2, 2011
Ken Rockne wrote:
Keep on subject of the original post. SPORTSMANSHIP
Children can be taught GOOD sportsmanship at any age or level. And they should be. This includes the kids of NMS as well. Maybe Coach Hines could/would step in and lend a guiding hand.

Parents need to keep this rule in mind when contemplating holding a child back though.
www.khsaa.org
Pursuant to KRS 156.070 (2)(e), a student who becomes nineteen(19) years old before August 1 shall be ineligible for interscholastic
athletic competition. A student who becomes nineteen (19) on or after August 1 shall remain eligible for the entire school year.
Thanks a bunch there Ken, looks like my boy can stay back again! More time to mature before I send him off to college. And anyhow, what's coach Foley got to do with the holdbacks? As parents, we are quite capable of making our own decisions. I have one child that was not held back or started late so I've been in both sides of the table.
Mother

London, KY

#20 Oct 3, 2011
So What wrote:
Wasn't several of this year's SWHS senior class held back in middle school? I look at it as Northern is finally getting with the program. It happens at every school around the nation and it is legal. No problem with it what-so-ever. I have a child who played and played well throughout elementary, middle and high school and was not held back. He could have been but we decided to let him continue on with his class. We never complained about him playing with kids a year, sometimes 2 years older because it was our choice not to hold him back and the other parents right to hold their child back. As far as poor sportsmanship, it was running wild on BOTH sides of the field. Southern 7th grade onside kicking, up 42-0, with 10 seconds left in the game. Southern's coach coming out on the field during the game screaming and making hand gestures to the Northern sidelines. Southern's head coach requesting a running clock at the end of the 1st qtr... What is that teaching kids? Northern took a butt whoopin' in the 7th grade game and Southern took and even worse one in 8th. Games are over, GET OVER IT!
I agree with "So What". It is a personal choice, if you don't like it, get over it. You had the same opportunity that each of these kids had. Furhermore, there are no boys older than 14yrs. on that team. Jealousy is a powerful tool, good and bad. Like I said, get over it. Play ball. The sad thing is that our own parents are unhappy and encouraging bad feelings among team mates. This has got to end. These boys have played together since early elementary. They have all been friends. So, what are you teaching your kid?

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