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Yeah

Lexington, KY

#45 Jan 20, 2013
zipyourlip wrote:
<quoted text> Churches don't preach "liberty", they are in the hatred game.
Where do you people come up with this stuff? I'm not a church goer( obviously I'm here on topix) but I see more hate towards the church than from it.
I see these local churches giving food to the poor, toys to children a Christmas, visiting people in the hospital (my sick dad) that they don't even know. They come to the nursing home to provide music and visits. They put together donations when peoples houses burn down, they send people and money over seas to help people in other countries, they run daycares, schools and orphanages for children along with alot of other things and they don't ask for money from the government.

So what, they voted against alcohol. You won. Where's all the liberal tolerance for their differences in opinion.

All I ever see you, zippy, is posting about what you get for yourself. Church people are givers. I wish I were more like them.

I don't get the local hatred of the churches. I guess coming here from the city I can see that they are a good thing, better than the locals can.
zipyourlip

Harrison, AR

#46 Jan 20, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>
Where do you people come up with this stuff? I'm not a church goer( obviously I'm here on topix) but I see more hate towards the church than from it.
I see these local churches giving food to the poor, toys to children a Christmas, visiting people in the hospital (my sick dad) that they don't even know. They come to the nursing home to provide music and visits. They put together donations when peoples houses burn down, they send people and money over seas to help people in other countries, they run daycares, schools and orphanages for children along with alot of other things and they don't ask for money from the government.
So what, they voted against alcohol. You won. Where's all the liberal tolerance for their differences in opinion.
All I ever see you, zippy, is posting about what you get for yourself. Church people are givers. I wish I were more like them.
I don't get the local hatred of the churches. I guess coming here from the city I can see that they are a good thing, better than the locals can.
https://www.au.org/resources/p ublications/the-faith-based-in itiative
zipyourlip

Harrison, AR

#47 Jan 20, 2013
zipyourlip wrote:
The separation of church and state was written into our Constitution to insure that public tax dollars were not funding faith based initiatives. Churches can do whatever they wish with their private donations, but public sector money cannot be funneled into them with good results for all, unless the federal funds are distributed to all religions. Bush and Rove sent tax dollars to the faith based community to shore up their support for the unconstitutional practices of buying Christian votes. Oh, by the way, I've worked for everything that I have.
Yeah

Lexington, KY

#48 Jan 20, 2013
zipyourlip wrote:
I went to the site. I had to laugh. The word with the largest font on the entire page was "DONATE". They want money to fight for something that we already have. Fearmongering at it's best. Go ahead and send them your money, zippy. They'll protect you from all of these local church people. Ha ha ha.
zipyourlip

Harrison, AR

#49 Jan 20, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>
I went to the site. I had to laugh. The word with the largest font on the entire page was "DONATE". They want money to fight for something that we already have. Fearmongering at it's best. Go ahead and send them your money, zippy. They'll protect you from all of these local church people. Ha ha ha.
I need nothing from the church crowd, and I need no protection from them. I just need my Constitutional right to be free from them. Government programs are in place to assist the poor. In these days and ages of tight federal budgets, all funding for the church crowd should come from private donations, and not the taxpayers of America.
Yeah

Nashville, TN

#50 Jan 20, 2013
zipyourlip wrote:
<quoted text>I need nothing from the church crowd, and I need no protection from them. I just need my Constitutional right to be free from them. Government programs are in place to assist the poor. In these days and ages of tight federal budgets, all funding for the church crowd should come from private donations, and not the taxpayers of America.
So you're saying that no one needs to give to the the poor except for the government? Local churches do not take money from the government dipshit. They give their own money to people in need. They voluntarily redistribute their own wealth and you don't like it.
zipyourlip

Harrison, AR

#51 Jan 20, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>
So you're saying that no one needs to give to the the poor except for the government? Local churches do not take money from the government dipshit. They give their own money to people in need. They voluntarily redistribute their own wealth and you don't like it.
I guess you have forgotten Bush's faith based initiatives that are still in place, or you didn't read the link. It also seems as though you have forgotten your manners. I wonder how many community center were funded all through the Bible belt with tax dollars. They should get the budgetary ax!
Yeah

Nashville, TN

#52 Jan 20, 2013
zipyourlip wrote:
<quoted text>I guess you have forgotten Bush's faith based initiatives that are still in place, or you didn't read the link. It also seems as though you have forgotten your manners. I wonder how many community center were funded all through the Bible belt with tax dollars. They should get the budgetary ax!
Oh, I agree that no church should receive federal funds and I would not defend repubs. I'm saying that I doubt that you'd find a church in this county that ever took money from the federal government. They're mostly decent people that get a bad rap for no good reason. They do all of the things that I listed above and more and they fund it out of their own pockets. I'm talking locally. Then jerks like yourself try to cast a bad light on them and stereotype them. They do a good thing.
zipyourlip

Harrison, AR

#53 Jan 20, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, I agree that no church should receive federal funds and I would not defend repubs. I'm saying that I doubt that you'd find a church in this county that ever took money from the federal government. They're mostly decent people that get a bad rap for no good reason. They do all of the things that I listed above and more and they fund it out of their own pockets. I'm talking locally. Then jerks like yourself try to cast a bad light on them and stereotype them. They do a good thing.
Not once did I suggest that charitable deeds done by the church crowd weren't a noble venture. I'm sure you can provide links to back up your claims that the churches in this area had no part in the giveaway of tax dollars. I'm all for balancing federal budgets, and have suggested a very good place to start with the budgetary ax.

“Statism is slavery”

Since: Jan 13

Somerset, KY

#54 Jan 20, 2013
zipyourlip wrote:
<quoted text>Absolutely correct. That's why voters need to choose a side, and figure out who supports the things that puts food on their table. Republicans speak of Social Security and Medicare as entitlements, when we all know that those programs are supported by contributions from the working men and women of America. Instead of trying to make the changes to fund these programs for future generations, Republicans try to eliminate them, and let their buddies in the investment and insurance industries reap the benefits of those social safety nets. I can't vote for that, and I actually agree with Republicans on the need to rein in Medicaid and welfare spending. One must work to reap the benefits of those social safety nets, IMO. When the Republicans were infiltrated with far right Christians, and the social wedge issues they carry with them, they have lost any chance for many voters to identify with their crusade. Churches don't preach "liberty", they are in the hatred game. The Republicans are not the party of Eisenhower any longer, and they will continue to become a regional party, unless they change. There are no longer any Republicans in the House from New England, as proof that these trends will continue.
Rep. Chris Gibson (R-NY) is a good Republican from New England.

Social Security is an entitlement because it is not voluntary. And recipients do NOT get what they pay into. They get much more. Also consider, there is no account of your own, the checks come in from the budget. You can always get private retirement plans.
zipyourlip

Harrison, AR

#55 Jan 20, 2013
New York is not considered a part New England. It is comprised of Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island. I can only imagine what peoples retirement investments would have looked after the crash of 2008, if that was their only future income source. You most certainly have your own SS account, that's the card with the numbers on it that you receive from the Social Security office.

“Boogie Chill'un”

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Since: Dec 08

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#56 Jan 20, 2013
zipyourlip wrote:
<quoted text>Absolutely correct. That's why voters need to choose a side, and figure out who supports the things that puts food on their table. Republicans speak of Social Security and Medicare as entitlements, when we all know that those programs are supported by contributions from the working men and women of America. Instead of trying to make the changes to fund these programs for future generations, Republicans try to eliminate them, and let their buddies in the investment and insurance industries reap the benefits of those social safety nets. I can't vote for that, and I actually agree with Republicans on the need to rein in Medicaid and welfare spending. One must work to reap the benefits of those social safety nets, IMO. When the Republicans were infiltrated with far right Christians, and the social wedge issues they carry with them, they have lost any chance for many voters to identify with their crusade. Churches don't preach "liberty", they are in the hatred game. The Republicans are not the party of Eisenhower any longer, and they will continue to become a regional party, unless they change. There are no longer any Republicans in the House from New England, as proof that these trends will continue.
Pfffffttttttttt!!!!!! NEITHER of them have ever put a goddamn thing on my table, I or my parents have. That's the most asinine thing I've ever heard.

“Boogie Chill'un”

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Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#57 Jan 20, 2013
KennyKelly3 wrote:
<quoted text>
Never tried? The biggest third party has been around since 1971, with only one electoral vote, and just NOW broke a million (and mostly due to the GOP railroading of Ron Paul delegates). They haven't put a dent into things. The Green Party had some success under Ralph Nader, then he saw how much it failed, so he abandoned them. The other third parties haven't done much.
Not to mention the bipartisan Congress and the biased FEC. No third party will go far until we have Liberty candidates in one of the major parties, or both.
Yeah, never tried. Where third party or independents have won on state levels it has largely been successful. They've never been given the chance by the public on the national level. All I hear is "they don't stand a chance ", "they won't go far"....or any other assortment of EXCUSES to not take a chance and maybe actually effect change. The sheeple continue to do as they're told and do the same thing over and over and expect a different result ....it's stupidity personified. Kenny, we pretty much agree on most things, but if you think for one minute you're going to get anything out of either major party that will disrupt their gravy train and their corporate bribery ....I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.
zipyourlip

Harrison, AR

#58 Jan 20, 2013
JumperJuice wrote:
<quoted text>
Pfffffttttttttt!!!!!! NEITHER of them have ever put a goddamn thing on my table, I or my parents have. That's the most asinine thing I've ever heard.
Guess you have never reaped the benefits of a union contract, and the pay that goes with them. I know from my working history, the pay and benefit packages were best served by the Democratic Party, and I also know who is responsible for trying to bust the unions. You have much to learn, or you're thrilled with the pay and benefits that Walmart and Dollar General are handing out to the poor folks that work for them. I also know which party is now trying to change the way that cost of living increases are rolled into pensions and social security. Are you that naive, or just unwilling to see the light?
zipyourlip

Harrison, AR

#59 Jan 20, 2013
Rick Santorum is claiming that Obama is acting like a Ďsore winner.í Santorum needs to remember that the president is acting like a winner because he won.

STEPHANOPOULOS: And, you know, Rick Santorum, House Republicans certainly seem to feel some of the pressure on those issues this week. They announced at the end of the week that theyíre not going to hold up this debt limit, seek a three-month extension on the debt limit to give some breathing space for negotiations. You know, you heard David Plouffe right there say that is a cave by House Republicans.

SANTORUM: I mean, listen to that language. I mean, Republicans extend an olive branch.ďAh, theyíre caving. Ah, we got them.Ē Thatís not how a leader acts. Governor didnít get things done in Michigan because every time she won she rubbed it in their nose. Thatís the problem with this administration. They donít ó theyíre not very gracious winners.

And I always said, you know, thereís one thing worse than a sore loser, and thatís a sore winner. And the presidentís a sore winner.



SANTORUM:Ö Republicans understand that. And this president could get immigration done. He could get something done on deficits and entitlements, but heís got to move his people to do that, instead of forcing Republicans always to come his way. And thatís the problem.

Rick Santorum seems to have forgotten how Obama spent his first three years in office trying to compromise only to be told no by Republicans, but congressional Republicans didnít stop at just saying no. They also refused to support their own proposals if Obama supported them.

Remember this?

Rick Santorumís big problem with the president is that Obama is acting like he won the election. Does Santorum expect the president to be contrite and apologize for winning? Maybe Santorum would be more comfortable with the president if he kept his eyes down at all times and shuffled along several paces behind Republicans?(No, that couldnít be it at all.)

In Santorumís view, it isnít that Republicans were sore losers who forced Obama to become a stern parent in order to deal with their tantrums. Nope, the problem is that Obama is a sore winner who wonít stop acting like he became the first president since Ronald Reagan to get 51% of the popular vote in both of his elections.

According to Santorum the problem is President Obama, and until this president learns his place and stops acting like a winner, Republicans will continue to pout.

“Boogie Chill'un”

Level 6

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#60 Jan 21, 2013
zipyourlip wrote:
<quoted text>Guess you have never reaped the benefits of a union contract, and the pay that goes with them. I know from my working history, the pay and benefit packages were best served by the Democratic Party, and I also know who is responsible for trying to bust the unions. You have much to learn, or you're thrilled with the pay and benefits that Walmart and Dollar General are handing out to the poor folks that work for them. I also know which party is now trying to change the way that cost of living increases are rolled into pensions and social security. Are you that naive, or just unwilling to see the light?
Not naive at all...i just realize that if you inveat in yourself and work hard, you don't have to work at dollar general ....or suck on the government teat. I wouldn't rely on those bums in Washington for ANYTHING. You're just to blind to see that your precious party is in on the take too.
zipyourlip

Harrison, AR

#61 Jan 21, 2013
JumperJuice wrote:
<quoted text>
Not naive at all...i just realize that if you inveat in yourself and work hard, you don't have to work at dollar general ....or suck on the government teat. I wouldn't rely on those bums in Washington for ANYTHING. You're just to blind to see that your precious party is in on the take too.
.....and you think that third party misfits will change the dynamics of Washington D.C. I will stick with my naive analogy. How's that working for the teabaggers these days?
Walt

Oneida, TN

#62 Jan 21, 2013
$170 Million for the party in DC and they refuse to say who donated what.

No transparency at all like we were promised.

"Many of the famous names in evidence on the 2009 donors list - Tom Hanks, Halle Berry, George Soros, Bill Gates - are missing from 2013's list. More than half of the inaugural bill of $170 million will be footed by the government."

http://politix.topix.com/homepage/4217-who-pa...
zipyourlip

Harrison, AR

#63 Jan 21, 2013
Walt wrote:
$170 Million for the party in DC and they refuse to say who donated what.
No transparency at all like we were promised.
"Many of the famous names in evidence on the 2009 donors list - Tom Hanks, Halle Berry, George Soros, Bill Gates - are missing from 2013's list. More than half of the inaugural bill of $170 million will be footed by the government."
http://politix.topix.com/homepage/4217-who-pa...
The winner gets the spoils......learn to live with it!
zipyourlip

Harrison, AR

#64 Jan 21, 2013

Joe Scarborough: Republicans Cheated Themselves to House MajorityĖImplies Party In Decline (VIDEO)
January 21, 2013 by Egberto Willies There are many Real Republicans starting to speak out against the intransigence and irrelevance of the Republican Party. Joe Scarborough has joined the likes of Colin Powell who gave a scathing rebuke of the party on Meet The Press, Col Lawrence Wilkerson who said his Party is full of racists, and Jon Huntsman who said the Republican Party is devoid of a soul.

Joe Scarborough said The GOP is getting smaller and smaller. He said that the GOP keeps pushing itself closer and closer to the cliff. He said that William Buckley rebranded Conservatism by going after Ayn Rand, the John Birch Society, and George Wallace. He illustrates how far Right the party has gone given that many of them now consider Ronald Reagan a RINO, a Republican in name only.

He continued by saying he made a mistake over the past month when he stated Republicans won a majority in the house. He acknowledged that it was the cheating of the gerrymandering process that allowed a Republican Majority since they actually got less votes than Democrats.

One would think that the message would be getting through, however Tea Party Wing of the Republican Party continues their continual attack on any Republican that breaks rank as they did when Colin Powell spoke out. They are even considering modifying how the electoral college allocates its votes to make it possible for them to win with a minority of votes.

It is ironic that the party that wraps itself in the constitution and freedom would at all cost attempt to change the rules of the game. This change would diminish the rights of the majority in order to allow the few with views disparate to real American values, the power to rule.

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