Even though I am a Republican I am glad Obama won!

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Level 4

Since: Jun 12

Brownsville, TN

#1 Nov 14, 2012
I have voted Republican for most of my life. At first I was a die hard and voted strait ticket with no doubts. Then I started looking around and picking and choosing a few Dems every now and again. And now I am at the point that the Republican Party I once loved is dead and gone.

There are some very important things we need to do in order to take back the White House and get a Majority. And the sad thing is I think the Republicans have no clue as to what they are. They would rather accuse the other side of cheating or doing this or that and not asking the tough questions as to why they lost.

First of all I am a Christian, with this said I don't think I should cram my religion down anyone else's throat. Unless I am at church or talking to friends and testifying to them. Until the Republicans get it out of their heads they can enforce their belief system on everyone they will never again own the White House. What do I mean by this? It is pretty simple, a woman should have the right to choose what she wants to do with her life and the life inside her if she is pregnant. She should make these choices with the parent of the child and herself this should be their business and no one else's.

A lot of people feel like they can push this agenda on others and this is one of the biggest reasons they lost. Women voters will not allow you to repeal this right, plain as that. This is a reason we have a division of church and state. If I vote for someone who says abortion is ok, I am certainly not going to hell because of how I vote. But according to some preachers I am. Which is horse mularchy, anyone who preaches this should not be preaching. Women vote how they see fit, not how their husbands tell them too.

Another reason I think the Republicans are losing is that they are out of touch with reality. I am better off than a lot of people but I am certainly not rich. And the Republican party is basically only good to the Elite among us. They allow way to many incentives to huge corporations and they could give 2 shits about the every day working man who is just trying to make a living for he and his family. The lobbyist own the Republican party plain and simple. George Bush destroyed a lot of things he shouldn't have. As an example he set limits on workers who are injured. If you get hurt on the job your screwed now days. They will not treat you fairly and its because of ole uncle George. Not to mention they are trying to destroy our healthcare.

Obama care isn't perfect but its a start in the right direction. Even Romney though so when he ran for election as Governor, he had nearly the same healthcare system back then as Obama does now. Yet when he got the nomination he completely went the opposite way and became ultra conservative. If the Mitt Romney that ran for Governor ran for President he may have won.

These are only a few reasons that the Republicans are on a spiral course strait to hell.

We need to reinvent the Republican party. Stop being such bastards when it comes to being Bi-partisan and agree to work with the Democrats and make this nation better. Until they get it out of their heads their way is the only way they will continue to lose.

I am not saying the Democrats are right on everything or even most things. But I do agree we need to do something with healthcare and we need to get physically responsible or our nation is doomed. Yes Obama has spent out the ying yang but the Republicans would have too if they were in his shoes.

I do agree abortion is wrong, I just don't agree I should be the one who makes a choice on this decision. I could go on and on but I have said enough for now. So let the fireworks begin!
Clear Thinker 2oo

Nancy, KY

#2 Nov 14, 2012
DaGasssMan wrote:
It is pretty simple, a woman should have the right to choose what she wants to do with her life and the life inside her if she is pregnant. She should make these choices with the parent of the child and herself this should be their business and no one else's.

How is it everybodyís business what a mother does to her child after itís born, but itís just her business before itís born? How does the trip down the birth canal change that childís status?
DaGasssMan wrote:
This is a reason we have a division of church and state.
This isnít a religious issue, though the religious have a tendency to be much more shrill in their objections to it. If a child is deliberately killed by itís mother after itís born EVERYBODY is upset. Why not before itís born?
DaGasssMan wrote:
If I vote for someone who says abortion is ok, I am certainly not going to hell because of how I vote. But according to some preachers I am. Which is horse mularchy, anyone who preaches this should not be preaching.
If youíre a Christian you of necessity believe in the bible. There is much about it that can be left to interpretation, it can in fact be made to say just about whatever is desired, but there are ten rules that are not negotiable. Number six says though shalt not kill (most think this actually means Ďthou shalt not commit murderí since nobody could live without killing and eating something). Weíre back to why you would consider killing a child one minute after birth is murder yet killing it one minute before is not.
DaGasssMan wrote:
Another reason I think the Republicans are losing is that they are out of touch with reality. I am better off than a lot of people but I am certainly not rich. And the Republican party is basically only good to the Elite among us. They allow way to many incentives to huge corporations and they could give 2 shits about the every day working man who is just trying to make a living for he and his family. The lobbyist own the Republican party plain and simple.
Agreed.
DaGasssMan wrote:
I am not saying the Democrats are right on everything or even most things. But I do agree we need to do something with healthcare and we need to get physically responsible or our nation is doomed.
We needed to start with tort reforms but thereíre far too many lawyers in DC to allow that to happen. Free market health care is far from perfect but the government is inefficient at everything it does and we all will inevitably curse the day Obamacare was voted in.

Level 5

Since: Mar 12

Somerset, KY

#3 Nov 14, 2012
Clear Thinker 2oo wrote:
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How is it everybodyís business what a mother does to her child after itís born, but itís just her business before itís born? How does the trip down the birth canal change that childís status?
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This isnít a religious issue, though the religious have a tendency to be much more shrill in their objections to it. If a child is deliberately killed by itís mother after itís born EVERYBODY is upset. Why not before itís born?
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If youíre a Christian you of necessity believe in the bible. There is much about it that can be left to interpretation, it can in fact be made to say just about whatever is desired, but there are ten rules that are not negotiable. Number six says though shalt not kill (most think this actually means Ďthou shalt not commit murderí since nobody could live without killing and eating something). Weíre back to why you would consider killing a child one minute after birth is murder yet killing it one minute before is not.
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Agreed.
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We needed to start with tort reforms but thereíre far too many lawyers in DC to allow that to happen. Free market health care is far from perfect but the government is inefficient at everything it does and we all will inevitably curse the day Obamacare was voted in.
I think I forgot to keep up with the other abortion thread but I thought I would jump in here to make a point about the debate. Dagassman is making the point that your vote does not condemn your soul. You are making the point that voting for abortion is voting for murder which confers that sin, somehow, to the voter. This has always perplexed me because I do not understand how that works. Do we divide the number of aborted babies by the number of people who voted for the pro-choice candidate and then that portion of the sin is assigned to the voter? Does that also work with war casualties? Does it work if the person we vote for inadvertently kills tons of people through bad policy? How does God go about divvying up the sin?

I think, philosophically speaking, the notion of distributed guilt by democracy is very questionable. It's a cornerstone of the religious right, I know, but I think it's a mistake because abortion is only part of the total effect that candidate has. If he avoids a war that another candidate would have started, that would be factored in as well, as an example. Everything the candidate does, of significance, has an impact on life and death somehow. We vote for who we think will have the most positive net impact but we cannot be held eternally responsible for the choices of that candidate. If so, all of us who voted for George W. or Obama are going to hell, if you believe in that sort of thing.

I do not have a strong opinion on the abortion issue because it is a very complicated problem. I do feel that women are by far the most impacted by the issue so they should decide. I personally would love to see far fewer abortions because it's just not good for anybody involved but it should be women who decide whether they should have that choice as a right and under what circumstances.

I would also question the "government is inefficient" nonsense because it has been demonstrated not to be true on several occasions. Everyone assumes it's not true when it comes to the military, police, fire departments, etc. Somehow, government is magically efficient in those areas.

Level 4

Since: Jun 12

Brownsville, TN

#4 Nov 14, 2012
There are too many men and women that don't believe it is murder to have an abortion. And like I said until the Republican party shuts their mouth about this they will never regain the white house.

Look I do not agree with abortion nor would I want my wife to have one if she were pregnant. However if some poor woman who can't take care of a child comes along and wants to have this procedure done, who am I to tell her she isn't allowed? That is up to her, the father, and god if she believes in him. I do believe there are too many abortions but I can't help that. We need to have a better policy on planned parenthood and sex education with free condoms. So at least if they are having sex young, then they won't be pregnant.

Health care is getting obscenely expensive. And the only way that its going to get any cheaper is if the government steps in and has some sort of regulation. I am not an expert on how it should be done but something has to get it under control.

Most people think the main reason companies are leaving the USA and going over seas is simply because they are paid much less. Well this isn't really true, its not just the pay that is killing us. It is mainly their healthcare benefits that causes the biggest problem. Whenever they go to China or wherever else they don't have to worry about that. So add that and cheaper wages and you get business heading out of the country fast.

It won't matter in a few years because most big businesses that build about anything you can think of in mass will be using robotics to do the job cheaper faster and it doesn't cost them any labor or benefits just electricity. Apple is building 1 million robots in their Chinese factories to limit the amount of labor they have to use when making the Iphone, Ipad, Ipods and whatever else they make. Just think about that 1 million robotic arms or machines that will be used on assembly lines. Basically their entire company will be ran by a very small work force that keeps these robotics running.

Once they get these robotics to this point they can start building things here in America again. So I would say in less than 10 years we will see a lot of our old companies coming home. And it will be mainly because of how far the field of Robotics has come.

If you don't believe me look up foxconn 1million robots at google.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#5 Nov 15, 2012
mostly excellent.thanks.
DaGasssMan wrote:
I have voted Republican for most of my life. At first I was a die hard and voted strait ticket with no doubts. Then I started looking around and picking and choosing a few Dems every now and again. And now I am at the point that the Republican Party I once loved is dead and gone.
There are some very important things we need to do in order to take back the White House and get a Majority. And the sad thing is I think the Republicans have no clue as to what they are. They would rather accuse the other side of cheating or doing this or that and not asking the tough questions as to why they lost.
First of all I am a Christian, with this said I don't think I should cram my religion down anyone else's throat. Unless I am at church or talking to friends and testifying to them. Until the Republicans get it out of their heads they can enforce their belief system on everyone they will never again own the White House. What do I mean by this? It is pretty simple, a woman should have the right to choose what she wants to do with her life and the life inside her if she is pregnant. She should make these choices with the parent of the child and herself this should be their business and no one else's.
A lot of people feel like they can push this agenda on others and this is one of the biggest reasons they lost. Women voters will not allow you to repeal this right, plain as that. This is a reason we have a division of church and state. If I vote for someone who says abortion is ok, I am certainly not going to hell because of how I vote. But according to some preachers I am. Which is horse mularchy, anyone who preaches this should not be preaching. Women vote how they see fit, not how their husbands tell them too.
Another reason I think the Republicans are losing is that they are out of touch with reality. I am better off than a lot of people but I am certainly not rich. And the Republican party is basically only good to the Elite among us. They allow way to many incentives to huge corporations and they could give 2 shits about the every day working man who is just trying to make a living for he and his family. The lobbyist own the Republican party plain and simple. George Bush destroyed a lot of things he shouldn't have. As an example he set limits on workers who are injured. If you get hurt on the job your screwed now days. They will not treat you fairly and its because of ole uncle George. Not to mention they are trying to destroy our healthcare.
Obama care isn't perfect but its a start in the right direction. Even Romney though so when he ran for election as Governor, he had nearly the same healthcare system back then as Obama does now. Yet when he got the nomination he completely went the opposite way and became ultra conservative. If the Mitt Romney that ran for Governor ran for President he may have won.
These are only a few reasons that the Republicans are on a spiral course strait to hell.
We need to reinvent the Republican party. Stop being such bastards when it comes to being Bi-partisan and agree to work with the Democrats and make this nation better. Until they get it out of their heads their way is the only way they will continue to lose.
I am not saying the Democrats are right on everything or even most things. But I do agree we need to do something with healthcare and we need to get physically responsible or our nation is doomed. Yes Obama has spent out the ying yang but the Republicans would have too if they were in his shoes.
I do agree abortion is wrong, I just don't agree I should be the one who makes a choice on this decision. I could go on and on but I have said enough for now. So let the fireworks begin!
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#6 Nov 15, 2012
very glad to see your interesting comments. I appreciate your further notes regarding avoiding the need for abortion, and I will go much further. I think that a woman should be able to bring charges against any male who does not use a condom, even if she would consent if he did use one. The issue is one of life - protection from hiv and other std's, and avoiding the horrid choice between abortion and an unwanted child that might not get adequate care. As it is, people want to penalize either the woman, or the unborn, and the male gets off free. Time to put the penalty on the guy who is so uncaring about consequences - put him in jail if he has a std, especially. And some penalty - like a small felony or big misdemeanor - even for taking the chance of causing a pregnancy when the woman does not want it. I would love to hear the selfish males scream at being held responsible for their bad actions that cause the situation in the first place!

You sound sensible regarding sex education and condoms, and I think many men would be, if they were properly educated.
DaGasssMan wrote:
There are too many men and women that don't believe it is murder to have an abortion. And like I said until the Republican party shuts their mouth about this they will never regain the white house.
Look I do not agree with abortion nor would I want my wife to have one if she were pregnant. However if some poor woman who can't take care of a child comes along and wants to have this procedure done, who am I to tell her she isn't allowed? That is up to her, the father, and god if she believes in him. I do believe there are too many abortions but I can't help that. We need to have a better policy on planned parenthood and sex education with free condoms. So at least if they are having sex young, then they won't be pregnant.
Health care is getting obscenely expensive. And the only way that its going to get any cheaper is if the government steps in and has some sort of regulation. I am not an expert on how it should be done but something has to get it under control.
Most people think the main reason companies are leaving the USA and going over seas is simply because they are paid much less. Well this isn't really true, its not just the pay that is killing us. It is mainly their healthcare benefits that causes the biggest problem. Whenever they go to China or wherever else they don't have to worry about that. So add that and cheaper wages and you get business heading out of the country fast.
It won't matter in a few years because most big businesses that build about anything you can think of in mass will be using robotics to do the job cheaper faster and it doesn't cost them any labor or benefits just electricity. Apple is building 1 million robots in their Chinese factories to limit the amount of labor they have to use when making the Iphone, Ipad, Ipods and whatever else they make. Just think about that 1 million robotic arms or machines that will be used on assembly lines. Basically their entire company will be ran by a very small work force that keeps these robotics running.
Once they get these robotics to this point they can start building things here in America again. So I would say in less than 10 years we will see a lot of our old companies coming home. And it will be mainly because of how far the field of Robotics has come.
If you don't believe me look up foxconn 1million robots at google.
Clear Thinker

Nancy, KY

#7 Nov 15, 2012
dionysio wrote:
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Dagassman is making the point that your vote does not condemn your soul. You are making the point that voting for abortion is voting for murder which confers that sin, somehow, to the voter. This has always perplexed me because I do not understand how that works. How does God go about divvying up the sin?
Questions about how guilt would be distributed is a fair one, we could discuss it till doomsday, but in the end only God knows what he would do. In order to find an answer to a difficult question we need to boil it down to its most simple form. Let me provide a different perspective.

Letís say you walk up to a man with a gun held to a childís head. He looks you in the eye and asks if he should kill her, youíre response is Ďyesí or Ďitís not my businessí. How can you then NOT carry some of the guilt when he pulls the trigger?
dionysio wrote:
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I think, philosophically speaking, the notion of distributed guilt by democracy is very questionable. It's a cornerstone of the religious right..
I actually feel as much contempt for the extreme right as I do the extreme left. They both deal in lies and half truths.
dionysio wrote:
<quoted text>..I know, but I think it's a mistake because abortion is only part of the total effect that candidate has. If he avoids a war that another candidate would have started, that would be factored in as well, as an example. Everything the candidate does, of significance, has an impact on life and death somehow. We vote for who we think will have the most positive net impact but we cannot be held eternally responsible for the choices of that candidate.
Excellent point!
dionysio wrote:
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If so, all of us who voted for George W. or Obama are going to hell, if you believe in that sort of thing.
I donít believe we will be judged for an action by someone else that we were unaware they would take.

ĒMotive is the stick by which all actions are judgedĒ
dionysio wrote:
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I do not have a strong opinion on the abortion issue because it is a very complicated problem. I do feel that women are by far the most impacted by the issue so they should decide. I personally would love to see far fewer abortions because it's just not good for anybody involved but it should be women who decide whether they should have that choice as a right and under what circumstances.
We donít allow anyone to be decide if they should kill another person, unless itís for defense. That being said if somebody declared the mother should have no say and there should be no abortions at all I would object strenuously.
dionysio wrote:
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I would also question the "government is inefficient" nonsense because it has been demonstrated not to be true on several occasions. Everyone assumes it's not true when it comes to the military, police, fire departments, etc. Somehow, government is magically efficient in those areas.
This is where your train derailed, youíre mistaking proficiency for efficiency. Firefighters are proficient at fighting fires due to training etc, but theyíre on duty 24/7/365 and fight few fires during a given year etc. Per fire cost is very high.

Our military are proficient because we carry the biggest and smartest stick, but they are extremely inefficient. We spent trillions to kill Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden, a ridiculous amount of money when we consider a sniper could have done it for the cost of one bullet.

These services incorporate a relatively small group of people. Obamacare will affect EVERYBODY. Itís probably going to be the largest government entity there is, with maybe the exception of the IRS, and the larger the government entity the more top heavy it becomes.
Clear Thinker

Nancy, KY

#8 Nov 15, 2012
DaGasssMan wrote:
There are too many men and women that don't believe it is murder to have an abortion. And like I said until the Republican party shuts their mouth about this they will never regain the white house.
I disagree, I donít think turning a blind eye to morally reprehensible behavior is what the party needs. In spite of irritating practically every group in the country we still managed to pull in 49%, or 48% depending on the source, of the vote on the 6th. What we need is stop supporting other ambiguous causes. The Latinos are here to stay, even if most are illegal weíll never be able to completely seal the border so we just as well accept them and include them in our planning. Any republican who says things like God intended for someone to get raped, or women canít get pregnant from a rape, should be made an example of and drummed out of the party. These are just two examples.
DaGasssMan wrote:
Look I do not agree with abortion nor would I want my wife to have one if she were pregnant. However if some poor woman who can't take care of a child comes along and wants to have this procedure done, who am I to tell her she isn't allowed? That is up to her, the father, and god if she believes in him. I do believe there are too many abortions but I can't help that.


You are a citizen of a country that does not allow the killing of another person except in cases of defense. What I donít understand is why that law does not apply to all people, not just those whoíve been lucky enough to be born.
DaGasssMan wrote:
We need to have a better policy on planned parenthood and sex education with free condoms. So at least if they are having sex young, then they won't be pregnant.
Reluctantly agree. I dislike the idea of government having anything to do with my daughterís sexuality, but there too many parents that let the TV, Internet and CPhone raise their children for me to advocate taking the high road here.
DaGasssMan wrote:
Health care is getting obscenely expensive. And the only way that its going to get any cheaper is if the government steps in and has some sort of regulation. I am not an expert on how it should be done but something has to get it under control.
Agreed. My cost for covering myself, wife and child next year is $650 a month. Youíre preaching to the choir my friend! LOL
MMAN

London, KY

#9 Nov 15, 2012
Here is where we as Christians know that voting for someone who we full well know will promote evil is a sin in itself.

2 John 1:10-11 says...
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

With that said, you could say that ones vote is support of or bidding the evil doer God speed especially when we know their stance beforehand.

Here's another where we feel abortion is wrong in the first place.

Dt. 30:19 says...
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy "seed" may live:

So as long as we as a nation are choosing death for our seed, which in turn is choosing death for our nation, we will never be blessed by GOD again unless we turn from our wicked ways and he will heal our land. So this my friend is why a lot of Christian can not vote for a man or woman who supports bringing death to the seed of man and woman.

Level 8

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#10 Nov 15, 2012
Had abortions been an option in '49 , I may not be here today - See what y'all would be missin'??-
MMAN

London, KY

#11 Nov 15, 2012
Look if Democrats were more conservative when it comes to moral issues such as abortion and gay rights, they would get my vote everytime because I definitely feel they are more concerned with the poor than their counterparts. Republicans would want nothing more than to do away with workers protections including the right to collectively bargain with their employer. But with that said, since to mem, moral issues are more important than social issues, I can never vote for them.

Level 8

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#12 Nov 15, 2012
Unions and abortions in the same thread ?-
Options , picket or pluck it ??-I say no to both -
Paul Revere

London, KY

#13 Nov 16, 2012
We are living in an entitlement society. Today, 100 million+ Americans are receiving some sort of govt welfare. It's obvious that Americans believe their govt "owea" them something. Nevermind that many, if not all of the entitlements currently awarded to Americans are not provided for by our Constitution. That means nothing to the average citizen. They just know that they get "stuff" from Washington and they like that. They are willing to ignore the bigger problem of debt as long as the checks keep on a comin'.
The popular solution is to continue to raise taxes on those with higher income. "Stick it to the rich" is an age-old proven battlecry even if it is a dry well. The truth is you cannot tax your way out of the enormous amount of debt we have piled up. It just isn't possible. You can raise and raise and raise taxes only for so long. We've already seen that fear paralizes those that create jobs.
Conservatives (not the same as Republicans by the way) want to cut spending and taxes in order to free up investment from industry and business. Looking at the results of the election, that isn't what Americans want. They want more stuff and Democrats and Obama are all too happy to oblige.
It's hard to beat someone offering free (subjectively of course) stuff instead of asking people to actually produce something.
And so the downward spiral continues.
Clear Thinker 2oo

Nancy, KY

#14 Nov 16, 2012
Paul Revere wrote:
We are living in an entitlement society. Today, 100 million+ Americans are receiving some sort of govt welfare. It's obvious that Americans believe their govt "owea" them something. Nevermind that many, if not all of the entitlements currently awarded to Americans are not provided for by our Constitution. That means nothing to the average citizen. They just know that they get "stuff" from Washington and they like that. They are willing to ignore the bigger problem of debt as long as the checks keep on a comin'.
The popular solution is to continue to raise taxes on those with higher income. "Stick it to the rich" is an age-old proven battlecry even if it is a dry well. The truth is you cannot tax your way out of the enormous amount of debt we have piled up. It just isn't possible. You can raise and raise and raise taxes only for so long. We've already seen that fear paralizes those that create jobs.
Conservatives (not the same as Republicans by the way) want to cut spending and taxes in order to free up investment from industry and business. Looking at the results of the election, that isn't what Americans want. They want more stuff and Democrats and Obama are all too happy to oblige.
It's hard to beat someone offering free (subjectively of course) stuff instead of asking people to actually produce something.
And so the downward spiral continues.
I believe I may have posted this quote once before in response to one of your posts, but here is again nonetheless. My father quoted this to me when I was a teen, the older I get the more I see the truth in it.

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy."

I hope that 'majority' doesn't exist yet, if it does stick a fork in it, we're done.
Hope for change

Somerset, KY

#15 Nov 16, 2012
DaGasssMan wrote:
I have voted Republican for most of my life. At first I was a die hard and voted strait ticket with no doubts. Then I started looking around and picking and choosing a few Dems every now and again. And now I am at the point that the Republican Party I once loved is dead and gone.
There are some very important things we need to do in order to take back the White House and get a Majority. And the sad thing is I think the Republicans have no clue as to what they are. They would rather accuse the other side of cheating or doing this or that and not asking the tough questions as to why they lost.
First of all I am a Christian, with this said I don't think I should cram my religion down anyone else's throat. Unless I am at church or talking to friends and testifying to them. Until the Republicans get it out of their heads they can enforce their belief system on everyone they will never again own the White House. What do I mean by this? It is pretty simple, a woman should have the right to choose what she wants to do with her life and the life inside her if she is pregnant. She should make these choices with the parent of the child and herself this should be their business and no one else's.
A lot of people feel like they can push this agenda on others and this is one of the biggest reasons they lost. Women voters will not allow you to repeal this right, plain as that. This is a reason we have a division of church and state. If I vote for someone who says abortion is ok, I am certainly not going to hell because of how I vote. But according to some preachers I am. Which is horse mularchy, anyone who preaches this should not be preaching. Women vote how they see fit, not how their husbands tell them too.
Another reason I think the Republicans are losing is that they are out of touch with reality. I am better off than a lot of people but I am certainly not rich. And the Republican party is basically only good to the Elite among us. They allow way to many incentives to huge corporations and they could give 2 shits about the every day working man who is just trying to make a living for he and his family. The lobbyist own the Republican party plain and simple. George Bush destroyed a lot of things he shouldn't have. As an example he set limits on workers who are injured. If you get hurt on the job your screwed now days. They will not treat you fairly and its because of ole uncle George. Not to mention they are trying to destroy our healthcare.
Obama care isn't perfect but its a start in the right direction. Even Romney though so when he ran for election as Governor, he had nearly the same healthcare system back then as Obama does now. Yet when he got the nomination he completely went the opposite way and became ultra conservative. If the Mitt Romney that ran for Governor ran for President he may have won.
These are only a few reasons that the Republicans are on a spiral course strait to hell.
We need to reinvent the Republican party. Stop being such bastards when it comes to being Bi-partisan and agree to work with the Democrats and make this nation better. Until they get it out of their heads their way is the only way they will continue to lose.
I am not saying the Democrats are right on everything or even most things. But I do agree we need to do something with healthcare and we need to get physically responsible or our nation is doomed. Yes Obama has spent out the ying yang but the Republicans would have too if they were in his shoes.
I do agree abortion is wrong, I just don't agree I should be the one who makes a choice on this decision. I could go on and on but I have said enough for now. So let the fireworks begin!
Please do not call yourself a republican or a CHRISTian sir....You are neither!!
MMAN

London, KY

#16 Nov 16, 2012
Knowitall9 wrote:
Unions and abortions in the same thread ?-
Options , picket or pluck it ??-I say no to both -
You may not like unions and maybe they are not the right answer in every case. However, I still strongly support the right for employees and employer to bargain together to create a win win situation for all involved, this is where I like the democratic stance because if that's what employees want, to collectively bargain then that's what they should be able to do without interence from their employer. Morally, there is nothing wrong whatsoever with this. With that said, morally abortion is reprehensible. That's why I come down on the side of republicans on this issue but then they are the ones who try to destroy any and all strenght of the unions that balance out the power of big business.
I am

London, KY

#17 Nov 16, 2012
Hope for change wrote:
<quoted text>Please do not call yourself a republican or a CHRISTian sir....You are neither!!
And just who are you to make that call?
MMAN

Okolona, AR

#18 Nov 17, 2012
I am wrote:
<quoted text>
And just who are you to make that call?
He is obviously a Christian who has read his Bible...Jesus himself said "By their fruits you shall know them". Jesus gave us the authority to judge whether a person was a true Christian or not...what he did not give us was the authority to send people to heaven or hell.
the great one

London, KY

#19 Nov 17, 2012
51 percent of americans get some kind of welfare how can we continue to work to keep everyone up.
I'v worked since i was 16 & im 50 now thats 34 years & there is no way i could retire if i wanted to.
You can take someone thats never worked they will get a lazy ck & medical card they have got it made.
Mexican's can go sign up on a goverment ck & get medical card & food stamps. America is not for the working people its for the lazy people.

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Since: Jun 12

Brownsville, TN

#20 Nov 25, 2012
Hope for change wrote:
<quoted text>Please do not call yourself a republican or a CHRISTian sir....You are neither!!
I guess I will agree with you on the part about me being a Republican. Because the older I get the more I understand their ways. So I am more and more an Independent.

As for me being a Christian, yes I am one, I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else because god knows the truth. I have been baptized and saved by my lord and savior Jesus Christ. Just because I don't follow the Dogmatic crap the Republican party is throwing your way doesn't make me an evil bastard that is going to hell.

It makes me someone who has finally come to terms with the Republican party not being what I once thought it was. And until many of the Christians out there who watch Fox news 24/7 come to terms that what they are watching and buying into isn't godly then we will continue to see the party go farther and farther to the right. And lose more and more of its followers like me.

Most of these people who are leading you that confess to be Christians do so just to grab your vote.(and I am the one that is not a christian?) You follow them around like they are always best for the country because they act like Christians all the while doing ungodly acts. These people stay in power because they use our Christian ways against us. They rarely vote in favor of things that would help you economically and year after year they get your votes.

99% of the Republican party leaders aren't there to protect your Christian beliefs. They are there to make sure their contributors keep making money even if it means sending our jobs over seas. We have lost so many jobs in just the last 10-15 years that we will never see them return. Why? Because we voted Christian Right.

I am not saying the Democrats are any better. Lots of them are just as bad, but some of them are there to help you. And your simply too stupid to allow them to do so because they agree with abortions or gay marriage.

When our nation crumbles and is a 3rd rate power just remember this, god didn't do it you did! Because you support a party that fails to compromise at almost anything. And you supported them.

The only way we pull ourselves out of this mess is by compromising. And that is something the Republican party doesn't do.

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