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Whitley City, KY

#1 Nov 14, 2013
I saw on the news last evening that the Sious City school board had voted to allow the high school to NOT have the pledge to the flag each day because it could not be fit into their schedule. Really? It only takes 10 seconds to recite! Where are the values of this country going?
walt

Stearns, KY

#4 Nov 14, 2013
We have a growing number of people that refuse to show any allegiance to this country simply because they don't believe in God. They expect the rest of us to bow down to their demands and drop everything that has helped to make this country great. They refuse to just be silent while those who do believe show their allegiance to their country, how selfish of them.

We are constantly told to be more tollerant to others such as our muslim populace but we TRUE Americans don't get the same treatment, we are being told to shut up and get in the back of the bus. Can you see where this is going?

These uncaring people cannot see what this movement is doing to our nation and the moral fabric that has held it together.

I guess they want to be like third world countries where some godless dictator tells them how to live their lives. I refuse to bow down to their demands and as long as I breathe, I will resist with all my might.
turkey

Somerset, KY

#7 Nov 14, 2013
Some religions refuse to say the pledge because they say you're suppose to pledge your allegiance to God, not your country. These same people also refuse to vote for anyone running for a political power because they believe Jesus is there only leader.

"Under God" wasn't in the original pledge, it was added back in the 50s I think.

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#9 Nov 14, 2013
"We have a growing number of people that refuse to show any allegiance to this country simply because they don't believe in God."
The original Pledge did not even mention a god. Your cronies inserted it illegally during the 1950s. This act was unconstitutional and unAmerican.
walt wrote:
We have a growing number of people that refuse to show any allegiance to this country simply because they don't believe in God. They expect the rest of us to bow down to their demands and drop everything that has helped to make this country great. They refuse to just be silent while those who do believe show their allegiance to their country, how selfish of them.
We are constantly told to be more tollerant to others such as our muslim populace but we TRUE Americans don't get the same treatment, we are being told to shut up and get in the back of the bus. Can you see where this is going?
These uncaring people cannot see what this movement is doing to our nation and the moral fabric that has held it together.
I guess they want to be like third world countries where some godless dictator tells them how to live their lives. I refuse to bow down to their demands and as long as I breathe, I will resist with all my might.
Tough Love

Somerset, KY

#10 Nov 14, 2013
The original pledge was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy a Baptist minister and Christian Socialist, who ironically, championed the rights of the working man, believed that capitalism was evil/a mortal sin and favored the equal distribution of "economic resources." It first appeared in a childrenís magazine and was ostensibly written at a time when patriotism was at a real low point. The pledge went through several incarnations, but was not adapted by congress until 1942. Under God was added in 1954, by Congress, and Eisenhower signed it into law that same year. Iím generally not a fan of Wikipedia, but they do have a nice history of the pledge, Bellamy and Christian Socialism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegi...

That said, Iíve always believed that patriotism is better demonstrated through actions rather than rote recitation of canned sentiment.
walt

Whitley City, KY

#11 Nov 15, 2013
Anti-theist wrote:
Your cronies inserted it illegally during the 1950s. This act was unconstitutional and unAmerican.
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You again show your total ignorance of the facts. The above post from "Tough Love" explains how and when it was done. It was legal and legitimately done despite what you say.

BTW, your "cronies" (cheap shot) remark shows your total lack of ability to discuss anything with any credibility.
Absolutely

Somerset, KY

#12 Nov 15, 2013
walt wrote:
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You again show your total ignorance of the facts. The above post from "Tough Love" explains how and when it was done. It was legal and legitimately done despite what you say.
BTW, your "cronies" (cheap shot) remark shows your total lack of ability to discuss anything with any credibility.
This Antitheist person is constantly putting things on here to deny the existence of God. Not many people even bother to respond to them any more. It's been going on for just that long.

They was asked repeatedly a while back in another string why they keep spamming the threads with derogatory remarks but they wouldn't or couldn't give any reasonable or valid excuses why they are so frightened about the possibility of there being a God. They spam the strings with mean and hateful remarks to make it seem like our Creator is a fallacy..
People asked them time and time again why they feel like they need to keep it up for years like they have. Antitheist wasn't able to give any sensible answers. Therefore it's obvious that they are confused and jaded.
No one can place anything on here about their own beliefs without this person inserting negative spam and calling them out as wrong. Even in bible threads, they repeat the same thing over and over again. It's gotten to the point that this person has even changed their name multitudes of times to make it appear that they've got a support group behind them.
Best bet is to ignore them. Topix takes some of it down because it's repeated spam. They have a right to their opinion but what they don't have a right to do is interrupt a string and fill it with off topic ramblings.
In my personal opinion this is a young person, probably a female in their mid twenties, who has had a bad experience due to a human being and they've decided that God is to blame for it.
I'd rather live my life with faith that there is a better place waiting on us. It makes me a kinder type of person. Better to be kind and live as if there is a God than to die and find out I was wrong. That way of living is a win win situation. Again, that's just my opinion.
It must be a sad way to live, thinking that there is nothing but blackness when we die and that there are no repercussions for doing evil deeds while you're walking the earth. Unless this person changes their ways I fear that hell awaits them for turning their back on the Lord.
They were told already that a prayer chain is ongoing for their soul. I hope one day they open their heart and mind to the real fact that God does exist.

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#13 Nov 15, 2013
The 2nd Amendment of the Constitution is clear:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...."

The religious encroachments of the 1950s during the McCarthy scare were unconstitutional. Traitorous theocrats aren't satisfied unless you can somehow force others, even children, into acknowledging your imaginary friend.
walt wrote:
<quoted text>
You again show your total ignorance of the facts. The above post from "Tough Love" explains how and when it was done. It was legal and legitimately done despite what you say.
BTW, your "cronies" (cheap shot) remark shows your total lack of ability to discuss anything with any credibility.

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#14 Nov 15, 2013
"This Antitheist person is constantly putting things on here to deny the existence of God."

Your god is certainly not real, but the issue right now is the unconstitutional endorsement of religion by the government. The Founders separated government and religion for good reasons. Thank you Thomas Jefferson.
Absolutely wrote:
<quoted text>
This Antitheist person is constantly putting things on here to deny the existence of God. Not many people even bother to respond to them any more. It's been going on for just that long.
They was asked repeatedly a while back in another string why they keep spamming the threads with derogatory remarks but they wouldn't or couldn't give any reasonable or valid excuses why they are so frightened about the possibility of there being a God. They spam the strings with mean and hateful remarks to make it seem like our Creator is a fallacy..
People asked them time and time again why they feel like they need to keep it up for years like they have. Antitheist wasn't able to give any sensible answers. Therefore it's obvious that they are confused and jaded.
No one can place anything on here about their own beliefs without this person inserting negative spam and calling them out as wrong. Even in bible threads, they repeat the same thing over and over again. It's gotten to the point that this person has even changed their name multitudes of times to make it appear that they've got a support group behind them.
Best bet is to ignore them. Topix takes some of it down because it's repeated spam. They have a right to their opinion but what they don't have a right to do is interrupt a string and fill it with off topic ramblings.
In my personal opinion this is a young person, probably a female in their mid twenties, who has had a bad experience due to a human being and they've decided that God is to blame for it.
I'd rather live my life with faith that there is a better place waiting on us. It makes me a kinder type of person. Better to be kind and live as if there is a God than to die and find out I was wrong. That way of living is a win win situation. Again, that's just my opinion.
It must be a sad way to live, thinking that there is nothing but blackness when we die and that there are no repercussions for doing evil deeds while you're walking the earth. Unless this person changes their ways I fear that hell awaits them for turning their back on the Lord.
They were told already that a prayer chain is ongoing for their soul. I hope one day they open their heart and mind to the real fact that God does exist.
turkey

Somerset, KY

#15 Nov 15, 2013
I'm an atheist and it's been my experience that anyone who doesn't believe in a God gets their posts deleted here. You can call it spam but it's something you don't want to hear and it gets removed. I would love to be able to discuss why I do not believe now, even though I use to. I found this today and thought it was interesting.

"what drives a person to believe and have faith, despite the evidence? the answer to that is fear...it's like in the old horror flicks, when you couldn't see what was trying to get you...your mind created all kinds of fantastic horrors and you were absolutely terrified to the core...that's what it is like when you believe in hell...because you can't see it to confirm or deny its existence, you don't want to chance it...now it's fear and self preservation....and to protect yourself, you cling to the only thing you are told can save you from it, even if it doesn't make sense...now it's a combination of fear, self preservation and denial...then you add the love...for your family, your children, your friends...now it's fear, self preservation, denial, love and a need to protect...and when you think of all the people you love suffering the horrors you've created in your mind, you gain an understanding of how indoctrination is really implemented..."
turkey

Somerset, KY

#16 Nov 15, 2013
This isn't spam, this is scripture. How would you feel if this happened today to your city?

(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)



As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

“Smokin”

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Since: May 12

Strawberry Fields of Dreams

#17 Nov 15, 2013
turkey wrote:
"what drives a person to believe and have faith, despite the evidence?"
Wow, you have evidence, please share.
ironic man

Nicholasville, KY

#18 Nov 15, 2013
i read there are actually groups of athiests meeting together, similar to a congregation. if that happens doesn't it technically become a church even if it's an anti-church, therefore, a type of anti-religion religion?

ironic that they would do that, isn't it?
turkey

Somerset, KY

#19 Nov 15, 2013
Bull Durham wrote:
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Wow, you have evidence, please share.
Pick a story out of the bible and I can show evidence. Anything from the flood, the 6 creation days, the 10 plagues or a list of others. What I don't have proof of is how it all started. I don't know if the Big Bang happened, I don't know why we are here. What I do know is that the God of the bible was written by old goat herders and is way out dated. I know I shouldn't hate unbelievers, gay people or own slaves. I know that women have rights when the bible tells them to sit down and shut up. I know that there should of never been the Crusades, the witch hunts or anything else that involves casting out demons.

What proof do you have that there is a God?

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#20 Nov 15, 2013
They said that YOU do not have evidence. You'll do anything to change the subject, huh?
Bull Durham wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, you have evidence, please share.

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#21 Nov 15, 2013
To say that someone is religious because they oppose religion is a contradiction and a desperate way to avoid the issue.
ironic man wrote:
i read there are actually groups of athiests meeting together, similar to a congregation. if that happens doesn't it technically become a church even if it's an anti-church, therefore, a type of anti-religion religion?
ironic that they would do that, isn't it?
turkey

Somerset, KY

#22 Nov 15, 2013
ironic man wrote:
i read there are actually groups of athiests meeting together, similar to a congregation. if that happens doesn't it technically become a church even if it's an anti-church, therefore, a type of anti-religion religion?
ironic that they would do that, isn't it?
There's a lot of good things that happen at church. There is a lot of good things that happen when like minded people get together and try to make the world a better place. To say that only religious people are allowed to do that doesn't make any sense.

Are you saying atheist shouldn't take the one day everyone seems to have off work because of Blue Laws and get together to make things better? You probably think we all get together to sacrifice virgins and cast spells right? That's what you churches teach. It's God or nothing. That's just ignorant.
walt

Stearns, KY

#23 Nov 15, 2013
ironic man wrote:
i read there are actually groups of athiests meeting together, similar to a congregation. if that happens doesn't it technically become a church even if it's an anti-church, therefore, a type of anti-religion religion?
ironic that they would do that, isn't it?
Yes it is.

Here is a link where you can read about it.

Atheist 'mega-churches' take root across US, world

"On Sunday, the inaugural Sunday Assembly in Los Angeles attracted several hundred people bound by their belief in non-belief. Similar gatherings in San Diego, Nashville, New York and other U.S. cities have drawn hundreds of atheists seeking the camaraderie of a congregation without religion or ritual."

http://news.yahoo.com/atheist-mega-churches-r ...

We call it "fellowship", they call it "camaraderie". They better watch out because I believe the Bible states that we should congregate together often to study and seek truth.

Their spirits are calling out for truth and they don't know where the urge comes from.
turkey

Somerset, KY

#24 Nov 15, 2013
Matthew 7:13-14

King James Version (KJV)

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Last time God became mad he flooded the Earth and he only saved a few in a boat. Do you really think you and your loved ones are going to make it when he tells you they won't? If you cooked your food on the Sabbath then that was a death sentence. That's in the 10 commandments you guys insist on hanging up everywhere. The actual Sabbath is on Saturday. Your God is going to kill you, that's what the bible says. You guys should be glad that the bible is wrong.
Brother Winston

Campbellsville, KY

#25 Nov 25, 2013
turkey wrote:
Matthew 7:13-14
King James Version (KJV)
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Last time God became mad he flooded the Earth and he only saved a few in a boat. Do you really think you and your loved ones are going to make it when he tells you they won't? If you cooked your food on the Sabbath then that was a death sentence. That's in the 10 commandments you guys insist on hanging up everywhere. The actual Sabbath is on Saturday. Your God is going to kill you, that's what the bible says. You guys should be glad that the bible is wrong.
You are right, Turkey, the sabbath listed in the Decalogue that was fought in the court system and lost by Pulaski and McCreary County has the 7th day as the sabbath, taken from Exodus 20. They might have won had they been keeping this day instead of the one instituted by Rome. In the Decalogue, it is #4, in the Catholic set that specifies the 1st day of the week, it is #3.

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