Bible study rules for public schools proposed

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FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#108389 Jul 17, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>atheism is not on a decline, in fact it is growing faster than any religion.
Indeed
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#108390 Jul 17, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
That is YOUR fear that you are referring to, not mine.
I am not afraid of dying.
There is no hell or heaven, just the same nothingness as before being born.
And you are so scared you might be wrong.
Obviously, you've not read my posts...
God is real, and I am not wrong!
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#108391 Jul 17, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
IF your "god" were real, I would spit in his eye.
I have no respect for a creature who would punish those he "loved" for eternity for the finite "crime" of not worshipping him.
"I would spit in his eye"...
This is why!
He sent you a Savior to take you out of that eternal punishment,
and... you'd spit in His eye?
What an ingrate!
Yet.... He still offers you salvation... Take it, and
say "Thank you"...

“See how you are?”

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Since: Jul 12

Earth

#108392 Jul 17, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>There's that too.
Lesson from Tray: when bouncing an old man's head off the street, expect to get shot. Just saying.
That's like saying an arsonist didn't set the fire, he just dropped the match when it burnt his finger. Zimmerman shouldn't have gotten in a kid's face who wasn't breaking the law. Fight of flight is unpredictable and according to testimony, Martin had already tried running before the final fatal confrontation.
"Old man" Zimmerman was 28 at the time.
You often seem to get your "facts" confused with your "want to believes". Just saying.

“I'll think about it.”

Level 4

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#108393 Jul 17, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Obviously, you've not read my posts...
God is real, and I am not wrong!
Oh yes, I have read your posts.

You state over and over how terrible it will be to die, face an imaginary judgement by a "loving god" and endure a mythical eternal punishment.

Your words make it quite clear how fearful you are.

“I'll think about it.”

Level 4

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#108394 Jul 17, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>"I would spit in his eye"...
This is why!
He sent you a Savior to take you out of that eternal punishment,
and... you'd spit in His eye?
What an ingrate!
Yet.... He still offers you salvation... Take it, and
say "Thank you"...
Sent a "savior?" Why make it complicated?
Why not just say, "I forgive you all for the mistakes I made in creating you. My bad. Sorry."

Stupid primitive superstition.

No, thank you. No NEED of "salvation" here.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

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Since: Dec 08

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#108395 Jul 17, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
That's like saying an arsonist didn't set the fire, he just dropped the match when it burnt his finger. Zimmerman shouldn't have gotten in a kid's face who wasn't breaking the law. Fight of flight is unpredictable and according to testimony, Martin had already tried running before the final fatal confrontation.
"Old man" Zimmerman was 28 at the time.
You often seem to get your "facts" confused with your "want to believes". Just saying.
Tray shouldn't have bounced George's head off the street, what else can you expect? There were only two injuries on Tray, bruised knuckles and a bullet wound. Did you see the photos of George?
you are a liar

London, KY

#108396 Jul 17, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Seems that you conveniently overlooked the reasons for the decline
of Atheism..
Decline of atheism? What a lying pile of trash you are.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human...
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyiname...

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#108397 Jul 17, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Obviously, you've not read my posts...
God is real, and I am not wrong!
"So you say, but cannot demonstrate"
Bush ax

Glasgow, KY

#108398 Jul 17, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
<Sent a "savior?" Why make it complicated?
Why not just say, "I forgive you all for the mistakes I made in creating you. My bad. Sorry.">
God didn't make the mistakes; Lucifer, your master, rebelled against God and led man astray... much as he has done with you.

<Stupid primitive superstition.>
And Wicca is what?
No, thank you. No NEED of "salvation" here.
yes, you need it; you just reject it.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#108399 Jul 17, 2013
you are a liar wrote:
<quoted text>
Decline of atheism? What a lying pile of trash you are.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human...
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyiname...
Depending at what study you look at,some will show Atheism declining,some will show Atheism increasing.
Whether increasing or decreasing,Atheism will have no effect on the existence of God.
God does not depend for his Existence on how many may or may not believe in Him.
What is interesting is that polls show that Atheists are the most distrusted group in America...
Also,25% OF ATHEISTS attend religious services on a weekly basis and many of their children,once they reach adulthood,convert into believers.
Obviously there is something about Atheism that they are unable to tolerate.
What that may be is open to conjecture.
Possibly,the fact that Unbelievers have a higher suicidial rate than the average,higher rate of drug and alcohol abuse and other mental problems than those who profess a belief in God.

Famous Atheists Antony Flew and Psychologist Albert Ellis have recanted their views on God and the positive effect belief in God
has on mental illness...Among others
The fact remains that God has ,does and will always exist regardless of how many unbeliecers may be spawned by those who believe that the Universe,our planet and life as we know it are the result of an unexplainable accident that happened billions of years ago.
That nothing created something out of nothing is not only absurd,it is insane...
BTW,,,Stop changing monickers,,you are fooling no one..
You are a liar and your deceptive tactics fool no one

“I'll think about it.”

Level 4

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#108400 Jul 17, 2013
Bush ax wrote:
<quoted text> aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
<Sent a "savior?" Why make it complicated?
Why not just say, "I forgive you all for the mistakes I made in creating you. My bad. Sorry.">
God didn't make the mistakes; Lucifer, your master, rebelled against God and led man astray... much as he has done with you.

<Stupid primitive superstition.>
And Wicca is what?
No, thank you. No NEED of "salvation" here.
yes, you need it; you just reject it.
You haven't quite figured out how to use those pesky "QUOTE" AND "/QUOTE" symbols yet, have you?

Your "god" isn't much of a "god" if he didn't know Lucifer, along with 1/3 of his angel forces, was going to rebel.(according to the myth)
Omniscient? Guess not...
If your "god" knew about Lucifer and his plan, why didn't he stop him with a snap of the old magical fingers? He has to "wage war" on Lucifer? Really?
Omnipotent? Not so much....

And why should I defend Wicca? I am an atheist.
Wicca does indeed have better morals and a reverence for Nature that are more admirable than Christian values but I realized some time ago that the belief in anthropomorphized invisible beings is foolish.

Keep your primitive fears and superstitions. Go on believing that some imaginary parental figure is watching over you, judging you and will, in the end, punish or reward you.
Since there is no evidence for any of that, I'll take reality.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#108401 Jul 17, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
You haven't quite figured out how to use those pesky "QUOTE" AND "/QUOTE" symbols yet, have you?
Your "god" isn't much of a "god" if he didn't know Lucifer, along with 1/3 of his angel forces, was going to rebel.(according to the myth)
Omniscient? Guess not...
If your "god" knew about Lucifer and his plan, why didn't he stop him with a snap of the old magical fingers? He has to "wage war" on Lucifer? Really?
Omnipotent? Not so much....
And why should I defend Wicca? I am an atheist.
Wicca does indeed have better morals and a reverence for Nature that are more admirable than Christian values but I realized some time ago that the belief in anthropomorphized invisible beings is foolish.
Keep your primitive fears and superstitions. Go on believing that some imaginary parental figure is watching over you, judging you and will, in the end, punish or reward you.
Since there is no evidence for any of that, I'll take reality.
But, but , but Realities Hard.......

“I'll think about it.”

Level 4

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#108403 Jul 17, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
But, but , but Realities Hard.......
***chuckles***

I read this a few days ago and thought of you and the other science-minded (is that a word?) folks on this forum. It is quite touching.

“Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand.

It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics: You are all stardust.
You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded, because the elements – the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution and for life – weren’t created at the beginning of time.
They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars, and the only way for them to get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode.

So, forget Jesus. The stars died so that you could be here today."
-- Lawrence Maxwell Krass
Bush ax

Glasgow, KY

#108404 Jul 17, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
You haven't quite figured out how to use those pesky "QUOTE" AND "/QUOTE" symbols yet, have you?
Your "god" isn't much of a "god" if he didn't know Lucifer, along with 1/3 of his angel forces, was going to rebel.(according to the myth)
Omniscient? Guess not...
If your "god" knew about Lucifer and his plan, why didn't he stop him with a snap of the old magical fingers? He has to "wage war" on Lucifer? Really?
Omnipotent? Not so much....
And why should I defend Wicca? I am an atheist.
Wicca does indeed have better morals and a reverence for Nature that are more admirable than Christian values but I realized some time ago that the belief in anthropomorphized invisible beings is foolish.
Keep your primitive fears and superstitions. Go on believing that some imaginary parental figure is watching over you, judging you and will, in the end, punish or reward you.
Since there is no evidence for any of that, I'll take reality.
BAHAHAHAHA..... you are right!! I just answered you randomly to try and figure out the quotes. seriously. So how does that work? Like, if I had wanted to put what I am writing now with what you wrote about me not knowing the quote stuff?

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#108405 Jul 17, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
***chuckles***
I read this a few days ago and thought of you and the other science-minded (is that a word?) folks on this forum. It is quite touching.
“Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand.
It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics: You are all stardust.
You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded, because the elements – the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution and for life – weren’t created at the beginning of time.
They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars, and the only way for them to get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode.
So, forget Jesus. The stars died so that you could be here today."
-- Lawrence Maxwell Krass
Yes and we can tell how the types of stars each element was processed through before it became you... We know that at least one Quasar and One Super nova was required to make you you....

Evolution started the Instant Physical Matter was converted from the Unified Indefinable Energy Quantum at least 14 Billion years ago... Each subatomic particle that self assembled in the universe was a step in the Evolution of man and all life... How ever you define life... And that is a moving target... Today Life exists from 60 below zero to 400 degrees above, live lives in oxygen and it lives in pure methane.... Live exists at pressures that would cause your blood to boil at altitude and pressures that would crush you like a semi running over a grape... Life Thrives in toxic acid baths and the hearts of nuclear reactors... And that is but Life as We Know It... A species that has been around for only a fraction of a tick of the cosmic clock.....

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#108406 Jul 17, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
***chuckles***
I read this a few days ago and thought of you and the other science-minded (is that a word?) folks on this forum. It is quite touching.
“Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand.
It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics: You are all stardust.
You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded, because the elements – the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution and for life – weren’t created at the beginning of time.
They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars, and the only way for them to get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode.
So, forget Jesus. The stars died so that you could be here today."
-- Lawrence Maxwell Krass
And interesting article Sorta on the subject...

http://news.yahoo.com/earths-gold-may-come-co...

“Question, Explore, Discover”

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Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#108407 Jul 18, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Seems that you conveniently overlooked the reasons for the decline
of Atheism..
Here is a reminder
Substantive challenges to naturalistic explanations for the origin of life;
Substantive challenges to psychological theories viewing religion as a pathology, and a scientific demonstration of the health benefits of a spiritual life;
Philosophical challenges to the presuppositions and axioms of atheism, such as materialism;
The decline of Marxism and Leninism;
Tenuousness of belief in atheism by many of its own believers;
Reduction in atheism and resurgence of theistic belief worldwide;
Inhuman acts committed by atheists throughout the 20th century;
No, I just know about McGrath and I know that theologians study fairy tales as if they were real. So I don't put much stock in what they say.

Let's look at this list and see just how serious these challenges are:

"Substantive challenges to naturalistic explanations for the origin of life"

No. I'm not aware of any "substantive" challenges on this matter other than the fact that studying an event or series of events billions of years in the past ain't easy. We are not likely to get an answer on this one anytime soon. Creationist loonies take that as support for their fairy tale.

"Substantive challenges to psychological theories viewing religion as a pathology, and a scientific demonstration of the health benefits of a spiritual life"

So? If you can demonstrate that being religious is healthy how on earth does that go against atheism? Atheism is rejection of the idea that a god or gods are real. You can adhere to a religious lifestyle and still be an atheist.

What does that say about god, other than god is irrelevant in the equation.

"Philosophical challenges to the presuppositions and axioms of atheism, such as materialism"

There are philosophical challenges to the idea that you are a real person. So the fact that there are philosophical challenges to atheism is neither shocking nor problematic. Philosophy is all about arguments. Good stuff!

"The decline of Marxism and Leninism"

I have no idea why this is on the list. Who gives a flying f*ck?

"Tenuousness of belief in atheism by many of its own believers"

Nobody "believes" in atheism. How many times have you read the definition of the word? Atheism is rejection of a belief, not the promotion of a belief. Do you understand the difference?

A lot of people have doubts about their faith in god. Does that mean I can use that fact as evidence against god? No, that's dumb. And so is this point.

"Reduction in atheism and resurgence of theistic belief worldwide"

I don't know what planet these authors are living on. The atheist/agnostic demographic has grown from less than 5% to over 15% in less than 20 years. During that time Evangelical Christianity has also grown while certain other sects have declined. Worldwide Christianity has grown because you guys keep going into African villages and converting them. Gotta love a religion that preys on the weakest people.

"Inhuman acts committed by atheists throughout the 20th century"

So? What does that have to do with atheism? Do you honestly believe the claptrap that Pol Pot killed millions because there was a god-shaped hole in his heart? Does that mean the millions killed over the years in religious conflicts are because god was involved? It seems like you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. With god, you go to war. Without god, you go to war.

Hmm...what can that possibly mean?...
CivilLawsandEthi cs

London, KY

#108408 Jul 18, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
You haven't quite figured out how to use those pesky "QUOTE" AND "/QUOTE" symbols yet, have you?
Your "god" isn't much of a "god" if he didn't know Lucifer, along with 1/3 of his angel forces, was going to rebel.(according to the myth)
Omniscient? Guess not...
If your "god" knew about Lucifer and his plan, why didn't he stop him with a snap of the old magical fingers? He has to "wage war" on Lucifer? Really?
Omnipotent? Not so much....
And why should I defend Wicca? I am an atheist.
Wicca does indeed have better morals and a reverence for Nature that are more admirable than Christian values but I realized some time ago that the belief in anthropomorphized invisible beings is foolish.
Keep your primitive fears and superstitions. Go on believing that some imaginary parental figure is watching over you, judging you and will, in the end, punish or reward you.
Since there is no evidence for any of that, I'll take reality.
People can deny the existence of a "God" all they wish to, it doesn't change the FACT that there are good and kind people as well as bad, nasty people, no matter the "religious" belief or non belief.

And that is a REALITY of how and what people ARE JUDGED upon...through EVIDENCE of their OWN doings while on this earth.
Just some judge harder than others, and are far worse people than others.
But then that usually has a way of coming back around on the not so good and nasty types in more ways than one, while here on earth, eventually.
JustMeaness

London, KY

#108409 Jul 18, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
***chuckles***
I read this a few days ago and thought of you and the other science-minded (is that a word?) folks on this forum. It is quite touching.
“Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand.
It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics: You are all stardust.
You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded, because the elements – the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution and for life – weren’t created at the beginning of time.
They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars, and the only way for them to get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode.
So, forget Jesus. The stars died so that you could be here today."
-- Lawrence Maxwell Krass
Too bad ignorance and meaness isn't comprised of "star dust" though huh?

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