Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Read more: The Courier-Journal 135,615

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“pervinco per logica”

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#103828 May 17, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Whether viruses alive or not it's totally irrelevant. We are talking about a human being. You guys talk about evidence all the time, we have all the evidence we need to know that fetus will become human being if not aborted or miscarried.
do whut wrote:
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No please explain how science tells us that this unborn child will not become a born child. Please explain to me how science tells us that this organism is not living.
_Ummm_ wrote:
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Define human. And define living. Both must be very clear before you go jumping down that rabbit hole.
I was serious. You need to define both of these things. At the least, define "human" and define what "living" is for a human (since I know you cannot define life in general). Why do ignore this?
Once your parameters are clear, perhaps somebody would be able to respond to you.
kuda

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#103829 May 17, 2013
curious wrote:
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“A man who flatters his neighbor spreads a net for his feet.”
As much as I enjoy reading the ambiguous pearls that grace the bumper stickers one sees when driving, especially through the Deep South and some parts of Kentucky, I find them valuable as a source of humor, not building blocks of a comprehensive, integrated Weltanschauung. As fate would have it, I enjoy one-liners the most: WWJD? Nurses do it better. Don’t come aknockin’ when this van’s a rocking’. The Bible says it, I believe it and that’s that.

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#103830 May 17, 2013
curious wrote:
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Just as our Lord did not forbid us from discerning the character of fools, the Book of Proverbs commends this assessment as a necessity for those who would be wise. Several reasons are given for the need to discern between those who are fools and those who are wise.
1. TO ASSOCIATE WITH FOOLS IS BOTH UNWISE AND UNPLEASANT. To some degree folly is contagious, and association with a fool tends to diminish our ability to discern truth from error and wisdom from folly.
Leave the presence of a fool, Or you will not discern words of knowledge (14:7).
He cuts off his own feet, and drinks violence Who sends a message by the hand of a fool (26:6).
Proverbs offers hope to parents that foolishness can be cured if detected early and disciplined diligently.
4. FOOLS MUST BE DEALT WITH DIFFERENTLY THAN THOSE WHO ARE WISE. We cannot deal with all men in the same way. Our response to people must be based on the kind of character they have demonstrated.
He who corrects a scoffer gets dishonor for himself, And he who reproves a wicked man gets insults for himself. Do not reprove a scoffer, lest he hate you, Reprove a wise man, and he will love you (9:7-8).
Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Lest you also be like him. Answer a fool as his folly deserves, Lest he be wise in his own eyes (26:4-5).
These considerations necessitate discerning the character of others and, in particular, that of a fool. Not only will we be able to see foolishness in others as a result of our study in Proverbs, we will also see a greater measure of it in ourselves. May God enable us to be honest with ourselves, to confess our foolishness, 2 and to forsake it as sinful and destructive, both to ourselves and to others.
Characteristics of A Fool
It is much easier to identify a fool in terms of what he is not than in terms of what he is. Notice the following characteristics of the fool as the Book of Proverbs describes him.
1. THE FOOL IS UNRIGHTEOUS. The fool hates what is holy, righteous, and good, and he loves evil.
Desire realized is sweet to the soul, But it is an abomination to fools to depart from evil (13:19).
Doing wickedness is like sport to a fool; And so is wisdom to a man of understanding (10:23).
Fools mock at sin, But among the upright there is good will (14:9).
2. THE FOOL IS UNWISE. Throughout Proverbs the fool is the counterpart of the wise. Wisdom is contrasted with folly. The fool does not possess wisdom, cannot obtain wisdom, and would not obtain it if he could.
THE FOOL DOES NOT POSSESS WISDOM;
According to the definition of a fool you posted, it does not show atheists as fools other than not observing what YOU claim as holy. What is holy is arbitrary. What is sin is arbitrary and subjective.
I can make claim you are a fool and the claim is just as subjective as yours.
Just pointing the consistently vague ideas in the bible.

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#103831 May 17, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Without medical attention most fetuses do not live.
Are you talking about removing a fetus from the uterus and seeing if it survives?

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#103832 May 17, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
do whut wrote, "<quoted text>
No please explain how science tells us that this unborn child will not become a born child. Please explain to me how science tells us that this organism is not living. "

_Ummm_ wrote, "<quoted text>
Define human. And define living. Both must be very clear before you go jumping down that rabbit hole."

I was serious. You need to define both of these things. At the least, define "human" and define what "living" is for a human (since I know you cannot define life in general). Why do ignore this?
Once your parameters are clear, perhaps somebody would be able to respond to you.
A living organism = life. Even if you consider a fetus a parasite, fleas and ticks are still living things.

Why do you try to separate a human from a potential human. Do you consider an infant a potential adult? Or a living thing?

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#103833 May 17, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I explained what happens to the unborn. They still need a physical body, even if they are so righteous that they do not need to be tested.
Then why do you care if they are aborted?

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#103834 May 17, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Once birthed, sure. That is a viable solution. So is adoption. So is the family raising the child.
Just because a person doesn't want a child doesn't mean they have the right to murder the child, whether born or unborn.
The controversy is, should a woman be forced to carry the fetus. The government feels they cannot be forced to carry.

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#103835 May 17, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I don't claim to know
So the Holy Ghost is refusing to answer the hard questions? How convenient.

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#103836 May 17, 2013
do whut wrote:
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No please explain how science tells us that this unborn child will not become a born child. Please explain to me how science tells us that this organism is not living.
It could naturally abort (miscarriage).

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#103837 May 17, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I explained what happens to the unborn. They still need a physical body, even if they are so righteous that they do not need to be tested.
Many abortions are due to potential health problems if the mother, so if you force the mother to carry and bear, you could be forcing the death if the mother. Keep I'm mind this woman might already have children she is trying to raise. So you are potentially jeopardizing the well being of her other children.

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#103838 May 17, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Because they need to gain a physical body to continue their progression to become more like God.
Says who and where?
But also note, this is simply superstition and our laws are not based upon superstitions.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#103839 May 17, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>According to the definition of a fool you posted, it does not show atheists as fools other than not observing what YOU claim as holy. What is holy is arbitrary. What is sin is arbitrary and subjective.
I can make claim you are a fool and the claim is just as subjective as yours.
Just pointing the consistently vague ideas in the bible.
In your rush to judgement,along with Chrome and Hummm,you assumed that I was referring to Atheists.
I am calling the judgement of all 3 of you into question..
Obviously,for whatever reason,you felt that what I posted applied to you,as Atheists.....
Did you not read this part
"These considerations necessitate discerning the character of others and, in particular, that of a fool. Not only will we be able to see foolishness in others as a result of our study in

Proverbs, we will also see a greater measure of it in ourselves. May God enable us to be honest with ourselves,
to confess our foolishness,
2 and to forsake it as sinful and destructive, both to ourselves and to others.

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#103840 May 17, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Want to talk probabilities?
Sure.

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#103841 May 17, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Then why do you care if they are aborted?
It isn't for us to decide who lives or dies. If that was the case, there would be a lot more homocides.

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#103842 May 17, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>The controversy is, should a woman be forced to carry the fetus. The government feels they cannot be forced to carry.
Why does the government care if a man punches a woman in the stomach and causes her to lose the child? It seems the will of the mother is the only variable.
In that case, what is the difference between a woman deciding in month 6 of a pregnancy that she doesn't want a kid vs. deciding she doesn't want her 6 month old child?

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#103843 May 17, 2013
do whut wrote:
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A living organism = life. Even if you consider a fetus a parasite, fleas and ticks are still living things.
Why do you try to separate a human from a potential human. Do you consider an infant a potential adult? Or a living thing?
Can you not read or something? I think I was pretty straight forward in telling you what you need to clarify. To be even MORE unambiguous, you cannot define a word using another form of the same word (i.e. life/living), so you haven't clarified a single thing yet.

Anyway, why do you try to dodge my request for clarification by asking multiple questions of your own? If you'd waste less time and energy trying to go down some stupid road about what you think I'm thinking, you might have enough brain cells free to actually respond to me. Please make an attempt. Trying to get you to clarify your statements shouldn't be an irritating exercise in futility.

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#103844 May 17, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So the Holy Ghost is refusing to answer the hard questions? How convenient.
If you want my opinion: God allows us to choose, but He knows us so well, He knows which Mother will more than likely abort.

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#103845 May 17, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>It could naturally abort (miscarriage).
As I said, I have evidence to the sample size of over 6 billion that if a fetus is not aborted or miscarried, it becomes a human.
Miscarriage and abortion are hardly the same thing unless the miscarriage was intentional.

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#103846 May 17, 2013
So true wrote:
Years ago a French infidel strutted and bragged that infidels would tear down the churches and destroy everything that reminded the people of God. A poor peasant replied," But you leave us the sun the moon, and the stars, and as long as they shine , we shall have a reminder of God."
Some Spaniards destroyed the gods of the Americas, it can be done again. Not that I am promoting force to end religions as Christians have done many times around the world. I am for religious freedom, unlike your god.

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#103847 May 17, 2013
curious wrote:
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In your rush to judgement,along with Chrome and Hummm,you assumed that I was referring to Atheists.
I am calling the judgement of all 3 of you into question..
Obviously,for whatever reason,you felt that what I posted applied to you,as Atheists.....
Did you not read this part
"These considerations necessitate discerning the character of others and, in particular, that of a fool. Not only will we be able to see foolishness in others as a result of our study in
Proverbs, we will also see a greater measure of it in ourselves. May God enable us to be honest with ourselves,
to confess our foolishness,
2 and to forsake it as sinful and destructive, both to ourselves and to others.
Yesterday you flatly accused us of being foolish. No need to assume what you think when you make such statements.

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