Somerset-Pulaski County United Govern...
metropro

Jeffersonville, IN

#259 Apr 18, 2013
Bronston Man wrote:
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Um, what law are you reading? There is no mention of a petition anywhere.
KRS 67.904
67.904
Procedure for initiation of unification process
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Appointment of unification review commission.
The unification process shall be initiated in the following manner:
(1) The legislative body of one (1) or more cities within the county and the county fiscal court may enact ordinances proposing that a commission be formed to study the question of unifying the county government with one (1) or more cities within the county to form a unified local government. The executive authority of each city
enacting an ordinance shall cause a copy of the ordinance to be filed with the county clerk no later than ten (10) days after enactment.
(2)The county clerk shall be responsible for determining whether the required ordinances have been filed to initiate the unification process. The unification process shall be initiated when the county clerk determines that:
(a)An ordinance has been enacted by the county fiscal court under subsection (1) of this section; and (b) An ordinance has been enacted and filed by one (1) or more cities within the county.
(3) If the county clerk makes the determination required by subsection (2) of this section, the clerk shall notify the county judge/executive, the mayor of each city within the county, and the chief executive officer of every special district within the
county that the unification process has been initiated by the county and the city or cities named in the notification.
(4) Within sixty (60) days of notification by the county clerk that the unification process has been officially initiated, a unification review commission shall be appointed.
67a.02
This the only may they can merge and get Somerset.

“smiling on a cloudy day”

Level 7

Since: Jan 09

Shakedown Street

#260 Apr 18, 2013
metropro wrote:
<quoted text> 67a.02
This the only may they can merge and get Somerset.
KRS(Kentucky Revised Statutes) chapter 67A concerns the formation of an Urban County Government, like Lexington/Fayette.

That is not the path being suggested by SPCU. This whole idea is based upon KRS 67.900, formation of a Unified Local Government.

Unified Local Government =/= Urban County Government
metropro

Jeffersonville, IN

#261 Apr 18, 2013
If you noticed in the groups first press release they mentioned consolidated or unified and ping said it would be up to the voters. We have several ways to merge and I doubt the unified local government way can happen. But, since we do not have a first class city in the county I think urban county will be the only way it will happen. That's where the petition comes in.

Not to sound like a jerk but people need to pay attention to what is going on in the city. If the plan (as I understand it) is to create their own industrial foundation that along with EMS will give the mayor the excuse to go ahead and take the occupational tax money. And it will allow the city to hire several more people (considering the additional revenue) so you will never get these people out of office and the county residents along with the small cities will be back in 1982. The county treasurer needs to explain exactly what that will do because I don't think people are taking it seriously.

“smiling on a cloudy day”

Level 7

Since: Jan 09

Shakedown Street

#262 Apr 18, 2013
metropro wrote:
<quoted text> 67a.02
This the only may they can merge and get Somerset.
You're right though, if SPCU is changing tactics and now plans to bring about an Urban County Government as opposed to a Unified Local Government it appears they can force the issue to a vote by petition, bypassing approval by either the county or the city.

“smiling on a cloudy day”

Level 7

Since: Jan 09

Shakedown Street

#263 Apr 18, 2013
metropro wrote:
so you will never get these people out of office
More and more, it appears this is the motivation. People in the county don't like the city government, yet instead of going about it the normal way of running opposition and getting them elected they're looking for an extreme alternative.
wow

Pineville, KY

#264 Apr 19, 2013
French Harmon wrote:
Sad to see the pastor of First Baptist Church in this. He would not make a public stand on the wet dry issue but makes a public stand in a war against the mayor ? I thought he and EG were friends ??
Shows what he is about. Preachers need to stay out of politics period, their is one on the council that voted for annexing just to sell beer.
Maybe

Georgetown, IN

#265 Apr 19, 2013
wow wrote:
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Shows what he is about. Preachers need to stay out of politics period, their is one on the council that voted for annexing just to sell beer.
Why single out preachers? They're citizens just like everyone else.
I may not agree with his position, but he as a right and responsibility to be involved.

“smiling on a cloudy day”

Level 7

Since: Jan 09

Shakedown Street

#266 Apr 19, 2013
wow wrote:
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Shows what he is about. Preachers need to stay out of politics period, their is one on the council that voted for annexing just to sell beer.
If he hadn't, he'd be guilty of shirking his duty as a city councilor which is to see the city prosper.

Why should busybodies stand in the way of a business being annexed? The business wants it, the city wants the added revenue. No one is against it except for those with no material stake in the situation. You'd actually harm a local business just to see people who are going to buy beer anyway drive another mile or two into town?

“smiling on a cloudy day”

Level 7

Since: Jan 09

Shakedown Street

#267 Apr 19, 2013
wow wrote:
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Shows what he is about. Preachers need to stay out of politics period, their is one on the council that voted for annexing just to sell beer.
People like this is what scares me about unification. For the most part, county voters are retarded(and I am one).
gonzo

London, KY

#268 Apr 19, 2013
67.860 Service districts.
The territory of a charter county government may be divided into service districts. Each service district shall constitute a separate tax district within which the charter county government shall levy and collect taxes in accordance with the kind, type, level, and character of the services provided by the charter county government in each of these districts. The legislative body of the charter county government may abolish or alter existing districts, or create new districts
wow

Pineville, KY

#269 Apr 19, 2013
Maybe wrote:
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Why single out preachers? They're citizens just like everyone else.
I may not agree with his position, but he as a right and responsibility to be involved.
Didn't say French Harmon citizen, it said French Harmon, pastor of First baptist Church, its called separation of church and state, with his position he can influence people to believe a certain way.
gonzo

London, KY

#271 Apr 19, 2013
Damn..people don't you worry about taxes and services, how much better services you can get if the Unified Government ran and controlled the services? Wake up let us support!
Hey jackass

Georgetown, IN

#272 Apr 19, 2013
gonzo wrote:
Damn..people don't you worry about taxes and services, how much better services you can get if the Unified Government ran and controlled the services? Wake up let us support!
The only thing I want from the government is to be left alone. You get people too smart in there and they'll F-N bleed us all dry. What, you think you got a bunch civil servants wanting to take this government over out of good will?
You wake the f-k up. You got a bunch of people trying to figure out how to get rich and the money they're after is yours. Don't be ignorant.
wow

Pineville, KY

#273 Apr 19, 2013
Bronston Man wrote:
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People like this is what scares me about unification. For the most part, county voters are retarded(and I am one).
So what? You don't believe in separation of church and state? My point is dummy that You can't portray yourself as one thing when you are really another. Preachers need to stay out of politics unless they want the church to start paying taxes. As far as Mr. Burnett goes, annexing to sell beer and just beer is flat wrong, as a man of god he should of stood against it but instead he wanted to straddle the fence on the issue so he wouldn't lose that 1000 bucks he gets a month, if he was my preacher i would want him out of church. By the way i haven't noticed one new worker in any convenient store i go to so it sure hasn't help on jobs.

“smiling on a cloudy day”

Level 7

Since: Jan 09

Shakedown Street

#274 Apr 20, 2013
wow wrote:
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By the way i haven't noticed one new worker in any convenient store i go to so it sure hasn't help on jobs.
Yeah, because your anecdotal evidence is what matters, right?

One thing, preachers can support alcohol sales and still be right with the Bible. Only anti-alcohol nuts think that all preachers have to be teetotaling stick-in-the-muds.

Also, I'm sure the owners of the stores recently annexed into the city would gladly tell you to mind your own business. When you have your own business you can decide to be annexed or not, until then you really have no say in the matter.

We get it, you don't like alcohol sales. Better start collecting them names to have another vote. Got that petition circulating yet? Wonder what the outcome of that will be?

I bet drys couldn't even get enough names in the city of Somerset to have another vote!
ToCanSam

London, KY

#275 Apr 20, 2013
We are already WET no matter who voted and that won't change, topic is UNITED GOVERMENT, set back, have a cold BUD and talk ways the new goverment will or will not improve Somerset or Pulaski
Paul Revere

London, KY

#276 Apr 20, 2013
wow wrote:
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By the way i haven't noticed one new worker in any convenient store i go to so it sure hasn't help on jobs.
This statement isn't very accurate. The existence of package stores, bars and soon restaurants where none existed before plainly shows that jobs are being created because of the wet vote.
Anyone who ever claimed or believed that legalizing alcohol sales would be the single saving grace of Somerset-Pulaski County is oversimplifying the process. Alcohol is only a single component.

Meanwhile, back on topic...
I'm not a big fan of centralized power in any form. And without ALOT more information from SPCU, I just can't get behind any effort to unify city-county governments.
I've asked it before and I guess I'll go right on asking 'till answers are given. WHY is now the right time for unified or metro govt? Why have members of SPCU banned together to push this initiative? There are lots of powerful people in that group who probably don't need unified govt to continue being properous so, why are they risking reputation and political capital?
So far, they've been pretty close-vested about what is driving this effort.
Westwood

London, KY

#277 Apr 21, 2013
Let's just suppose that Somerset builds its own EMS and declares it won't make runs out in the county, as Kim Jong Girdler seemingly alludes to in this morning's paper. Now suppose that the county builds it's own EMS to serve people of the county as Bullock alludes to in the same paper.

Since Somerset is in the county, would the county EMS be required to service Somerset residents since they are part of the county? This sounds to me like some attorneys are going to get very rich over this and taxpayers are going to get a little poorer.
wow

Pineville, KY

#278 Apr 21, 2013
Its payback for Kim Jong Girdler. He will do what he can to ruin the county now. He will be out of office in two years and i am expecting most the council and judge and magistrates will be gone too. People will not stand for this kinda crap. Who wishes now that Beshears and Wiles was back up there? I know i do. Bullock is two weak of a man to go against Eddie Kim Jong Girdler. County has no choice but to raise taxes. No place for them to get revenue except thru taxes.
MetroPro

Somerset, KY

#279 Apr 21, 2013
wow wrote:
Its payback for Kim Jong Girdler. He will do what he can to ruin the county now. He will be out of office in two years and i am expecting most the council and judge and magistrates will be gone too. People will not stand for this kinda crap. Who wishes now that Beshears and Wiles was back up there? I know i do. Bullock is two weak of a man to go against Eddie Kim Jong Girdler. County has no choice but to raise taxes. No place for them to get revenue except thru taxes.
I agree with your post except for the part about them being out of office in two years. This is the problem. If the city takes the occupational tax money and creates new departments like the development foundation they will employee several new high paying employees and that will help them keep their elected positions.
Greed will destroy all of the progress the city and county have developed over the past 30 years.

A city of 11,000 should have an annual budget around 10-15 million. Because of smart business decisions by past mayors we have a 70-80 million annual budget. ThatÂ’s the problem. That amount of money can give a progressive mayor the ability to do great things but it can give a self-serving individual the resources to maintain a destructive nonproductive path that only divides a community and in the end only benefits them.

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