Why is Obama hell bent on raising taxes

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If anyone thinks Obama is finished gouging top earners, they have their heads in the sand. This is only the beginning. Next comes tax deductions, then pensions and added taxation for completely legal tax shelters. And STILL none of this will be about reducing the deficit/debt. It will be about making the successful pay and redistributing wealth. Obama doesn't believe we have a spending problem and has no interest in cutting anything.

Oh, by the way...shutting down government will NOT result in the US defaulting on anything. That is left-wing propaganda. LISTEN carefully to what liberals say and then do alittle research. Govt services would be shutdown but, no debt payments would be missed. Do you think govt stops collecting taxes just because it shuts down "essential services"? Of course not! More fear mongering from the loons.

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Jan 8, 2013
 
Both sides of the political aisle is full of propaganda. Especially when it comes to taxing and spending. Both parties LOVE taxes and both LOVE spending. Don't let either party fool you.

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KennyKelly3 wrote:
Both sides of the political aisle is full of propaganda. Especially when it comes to taxing and spending. Both parties LOVE taxes and both LOVE spending. Don't let either party fool you.
Kenny, I like your style. Tell it like it is brother.

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Kenny, I like your style. Tell it like it is brother.
Thank you. Just doing what I can to inform the People.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.”- Ron Paul

"All Tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson

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KennyKelly3 wrote:
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Thank you. Just doing what I can to inform the People.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.”- Ron Paul
"All Tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
That's what I try to do also Kenny, and I can tell you, it isn't a very popular stance amongst the partisan lapdogs. I'm now to the point of being confrontational and blunt about it. Give it time, you'll grow tired of the lame excuses and question dodging too! LOL .....don't mean we'll stop though, right? Keep spreading the word, I will.
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Jan 9, 2013
 
Don't get too cozy with him Jumper, unless you also want to disband the NRA. I'll be seriously disappointed if that's the case. lol

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Don't get too cozy with him Jumper, unless you also want to disband the NRA. I'll be seriously disappointed if that's the case. lol
The NRA?
The lobby who supported various gun control laws over the past two decades? Including an automatic-gun ban? The lobby who endorsed several anti-gun politicians in the past few years alone? The lobby who wants taxpayers to pay for certain measures out of pocket? The lobby who has no qualms abridging the First Amendment? The lobby who is cozy to Sen. Harry Reid? The lobby who wants armed MILITARY in schools? The lobby who supports big government consistently (given that bigger the government is, the less gun rights the people have)?

You need less NRA and more GOA (Gun Owners of America) and Campaign for Liberty. The latter two have never wavered or compromised like the NRA have. I hope you look into facts before you reply. lol!

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Don't get too cozy with him Jumper, unless you also want to disband the NRA. I'll be seriously disappointed if that's the case. lol
Link up the post where I said anything of the sort....I won't hold my breath, asphyxiation is a rough way to go. I own guns moron. You people who can't distance yourselves from one party or the other have VERY narrow perspectives. Everything has to be cut and dry, black and white...proof that the two sides refuse to work together or compromise for the common good.

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The NRA?
The lobby who supported various gun control laws over the past two decades? Including an automatic-gun ban? The lobby who endorsed several anti-gun politicians in the past few years alone? The lobby who wants taxpayers to pay for certain measures out of pocket? The lobby who has no qualms abridging the First Amendment? The lobby who is cozy to Sen. Harry Reid? The lobby who wants armed MILITARY in schools? The lobby who supports big government consistently (given that bigger the government is, the less gun rights the people have)?
You need less NRA and more GOA (Gun Owners of America) and Campaign for Liberty. The latter two have never wavered or compromised like the NRA have. I hope you look into facts before you reply. lol!
Truth cannot be uttered when concerning the duopoly in Washington Kenny.

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Truth cannot be uttered when concerning the duopoly in Washington Kenny.
I'm VERY sorry clear thinker....I thought you were telling Kenny to be careful about getting cozy with me. I was disappointed in you, and uttered a disparaging remark. I sincerely apologize for being the moron and not reading carefully...lol. I'm now disappointed in myself. My mistake, and I hope you'll accept my apologies.

He is entitled to his opinion, and should stick up for what he believes in. I wouldn't disband them, I think we need all the gun advocacy we can get. That said he has some valid points against them. As an independent, I feel you actually have to think critically and evaluate both sides to each issue and research and form educated opinions while realizing you just won't agree with everyone all the time. There has to be some give and take with everyone, and you have to be able to own up to your mistakes and move on. It's a lot more work than toeing some bulls**t party line like a lemming, LOL.

Sorry again for not reading your post thoroughly.
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I'm VERY sorry clear thinker....I thought you were telling Kenny to be careful about getting cozy with me. I was disappointed in you, and uttered a disparaging remark. I sincerely apologize for being the moron and not reading carefully...lol. I'm now disappointed in myself. My mistake, and I hope you'll accept my apologies.
No worries, I’ve read enough of your work to have a pretty good understanding of your position on most things, agree with the large majority of it.

I even agree with most of his positions but getting rid of NRA, regardless of their imperfections, can lead only to disaster. But, as you say, including the other organizations in the effort can only help.
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The NRA?
The lobby who supported various gun control laws over the past two decades? Including an automatic-gun ban? The lobby who endorsed several anti-gun politicians in the past few years alone? The lobby who wants taxpayers to pay for certain measures out of pocket? The lobby who has no qualms abridging the First Amendment? The lobby who is cozy to Sen. Harry Reid? The lobby who wants armed MILITARY in schools? The lobby who supports big government consistently (given that bigger the government is, the less gun rights the people have)?
You need less NRA and more GOA (Gun Owners of America) and Campaign for Liberty. The latter two have never wavered or compromised like the NRA have. I hope you look into facts before you reply. lol!
Even if any of this is true it is irrelevant at this time. The best tool we have today to protect us from those after our guns is the NRA. If you were a true gun advocate you'd encourage more people to join instead of sniping those of us who do. Now is not the time to weaken our cause by attacking the NRA.

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No worries, I’ve read enough of your work to have a pretty good understanding of your position on most things, agree with the large majority of it.
I even agree with most of his positions but getting rid of NRA, regardless of their imperfections, can lead only to disaster. But, as you say, including the other organizations in the effort can only help.
I've NEVER said get rid of the NRA. They are a *private* organization, and thus have every right to exist. Given the facts I've provided, I just know it's illegitimate to say it's a safe haven for gun rights.
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I've NEVER said get rid of the NRA. They are a *private* organization, and thus have every right to exist. Given the facts I've provided, I just know it's illegitimate to say it's a safe haven for gun rights.
Ok, can we agree it's SAFER with than without them?

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No worries, I’ve read enough of your work to have a pretty good understanding of your position on most things, agree with the large majority of it.
I even agree with most of his positions but getting rid of NRA, regardless of their imperfections, can lead only to disaster. But, as you say, including the other organizations in the effort can only help.
Thank goodness, I feel the same about your posts. I was horrified when I went back and re-read your after posting my idiot piece, lol. I went back because I thought to myself I couldn't be right...and I wasn't. Just jumped the gun. You can't see all of thoe posts as you're posting on a phone.

I agree, we can't afford to lose any gun rights groups or lobbies, especially not at this time.

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Ok, can we agree it's SAFER with than without them?
Yep, I can....

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Ok, can we agree it's SAFER with than without them?
If you're talking about guns and gun rights, yes. Definitely. But if you're referring to the NRA, uh no. lol! The NRA have done more harm than good.
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I hope no one here seriously thinks that Biden's meeting with the NRA on Thursday was anything more than a dog & pony show. The other shoe has dropped and either Congress reinstates the assault weapon ban along with a high capacity magazine ban or Obama will do it via Executive Order. It's as simple as that.
There may even be further restrictions on the buying of ammunition. Look at what the wacko Gov. of New York is demanding his state Legislature do to guns and their owners.
They can't just come right out and confiscate guns...as much as they would like to. There is still that badly battered and beaten piece of script called the Constitution that stands in their way. However, Obama's gang of blithering idiots will make it tough on gun owners.
It's the same tact they took with coal fired power plants. They'll just make it too expensive to own a gun or regulate them into extinction.
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Paul Revere wrote:
Meanwhile, back on track...
If anyone thinks Obama is finished gouging top earners, they have their heads in the sand. This is only the beginning. Next comes tax deductions, then pensions and added taxation for completely legal tax shelters. And STILL none of this will be about reducing the deficit/debt. It will be about making the successful pay and redistributing wealth. Obama doesn't believe we have a spending problem and has no interest in cutting anything.
Oh, by the way...shutting down government will NOT result in the US defaulting on anything. That is left-wing propaganda. LISTEN carefully to what liberals say and then do alittle research. Govt services would be shutdown but, no debt payments would be missed. Do you think govt stops collecting taxes just because it shuts down "essential services"? Of course not! More fear mongering from the loons.


WASHINGTON (MarketWatch)— Of all the falsehoods told about President Barack Obama, the biggest whopper is the one about his reckless spending spree.

As would-be president Mitt Romney tells it:“I will lead us out of this debt and spending inferno.”

Almost everyone believes that Obama has presided over a massive increase in federal spending, an “inferno” of spending that threatens our jobs, our businesses and our children’s future. Even Democrats seem to think it’s true.

But it didn’t happen. Although there was a big stimulus bill under Obama, federal spending is rising at the slowest pace since Dwight Eisenhower brought the Korean War to an end in the 1950s.

Even hapless Herbert Hoover managed to increase spending more than Obama has.

Here are the facts, according to the official government statistics:

• In the 2009 fiscal year — the last of George W. Bush’s presidency — federal spending rose by 17.9% from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. Check the official numbers at the Office of Management and Budget.

• In fiscal 2010 — the first budget under Obama — spending fell 1.8% to $3.46 trillion.

• In fiscal 2011, spending rose 4.3% to $3.60 trillion.

• In fiscal 2012, spending is set to rise 0.7% to $3.63 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office’s estimate of the budget that was agreed to last August.

• Finally in fiscal 2013 — the final budget of Obama’s term — spending is scheduled to fall 1.3% to $3.58 trillion. Read the CBO’s latest budget outlook.

Over Obama’s four budget years, federal spending is on track to rise from $3.52 trillion to $3.58 trillion, an annualized increase of just 0.4%.

There has been no huge increase in spending under the current president, despite what you hear.

Why do people think Obama has spent like a drunken sailor? It’s in part because of a fundamental misunderstanding of the federal budget.

What people forget (or never knew) is that the first year of every presidential term starts with a budget approved by the previous administration and Congress. The president only begins to shape the budget in his second year. It takes time to develop a budget and steer it through Congress — especially in these days of congressional gridlock.

The 2009 fiscal year, which Republicans count as part of Obama’s legacy, began four months before Obama moved into the White House. The major spending decisions in the 2009 fiscal year were made by George W. Bush and the previous Congress.

Like a relief pitcher who comes into the game with the bases loaded, Obama came in with a budget in place that called for spending to increase by hundreds of billions of dollars in response to the worst economic and financial calamity in generations.
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The president only begins to shape the budget in his second year. It takes time to develop a budget and steer it through Congress — especially in these days of congressional gridlock.
Can you show us any budget that has passed since Obama has been president, just asking.

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