Petition for County Wet Vote

“Enjoying Life's Mishaps”

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Lost in Time

#21 Apr 4, 2013
Roger
Hopper

Manchester, KY

#22 Apr 4, 2013
Bronston Man wrote:
By the way, I stopped by and signed the petition. It was pointless though, because they will definitely have to redo it. Their petition only has a place for your name, signature, voting district, and zip code.
State law requires your name, physical street address, and either your date of birth or your social security number. The county petition has neither of these, so they definitely won't count.-----
They needed to ask ol' Bronston Man!
I thought I read or heard somewhere that an attorney drew up and worded the petition. If that's the case then the attorney should be sued for malpractice.

“smiling on a cloudy day”

Level 7

Since: Jan 09

Shakedown Street

#23 Apr 4, 2013
Hopper wrote:
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I thought I read or heard somewhere that an attorney drew up and worded the petition. If that's the case then the attorney should be sued for malpractice.
It won't be particularly hard to redo the petition and get the signatures again.

They need to stop now with the faulty petition though. I'm surprised they didn't just model the petition after the successful one in Somerset. Just replace "Somerset Kentucky" with "Pulaski County Kentucky", done.

Instead they wanted to make some dopey statement about a "united Pulaski county".
Tough Love

Somerset, KY

#24 Apr 4, 2013
Bronston Man wrote:
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It won't be particularly hard to redo the petition and get the signatures again.
They need to stop now with the faulty petition though. I'm surprised they didn't just model the petition after the successful one in Somerset. Just replace "Somerset Kentucky" with "Pulaski County Kentucky", done.
Instead they wanted to make some dopey statement about a "united Pulaski county".
They also want to exclude the sale of spirits and by-the-drink sales in restaurants. The Somerset initiative was predicated on bringing a variety of economic opportunities to the area. This one, however, is based on increasing the profits of a very small group of local businessmen. Unless they are willing to follow Somerset's lead and go fully wet, opening up the county to the same opportunities the city has, I see no reason to support it. Lining the pockets of local gas station convenience store owners, is not high on my priority list.
dude

Georgetown, IN

#25 Apr 4, 2013
Slate Branch BP
Nelson Valley
Lakeway Shell
are in the county and are selling beer. I don't think it matters if you're in Somerset or not.

“smiling on a cloudy day”

Level 7

Since: Jan 09

Shakedown Street

#26 Apr 4, 2013
Tough Love wrote:
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They also want to exclude the sale of spirits and by-the-drink sales in restaurants. The Somerset initiative was predicated on bringing a variety of economic opportunities to the area. This one, however, is based on increasing the profits of a very small group of local businessmen. Unless they are willing to follow Somerset's lead and go fully wet, opening up the county to the same opportunities the city has, I see no reason to support it. Lining the pockets of local gas station convenience store owners, is not high on my priority list.
Good points.

“smiling on a cloudy day”

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Shakedown Street

#27 Apr 4, 2013
dude wrote:
Slate Branch BP
Nelson Valley
Lakeway Shell
are in the county and are selling beer. I don't think it matters if you're in Somerset or not.
They extended the city limits to annex those gas stations.
dude

Georgetown, IN

#28 Apr 4, 2013
Bronston Man wrote:
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They extended the city limits to annex those gas stations.
I'm not sure what that means, but going by the other guys post, if it's just some gas stations that want to sell beer, why don't they do what those gas stations did? Get added on or whatever. You know, like Lee's Ford is Burnside and all.

“smiling on a cloudy day”

Level 7

Since: Jan 09

Shakedown Street

#29 Apr 4, 2013
dude wrote:
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I'm not sure what that means, but going by the other guys post, if it's just some gas stations that want to sell beer, why don't they do what those gas stations did? Get added on or whatever. You know, like Lee's Ford is Burnside and all.
Well, different reasons really. In order to be annexed into the city they have to be connected by a road, and courts have overturned city annexations when the annexed area is too far away from the city center.

The whole annexation law was really about extending city services, so when a place is miles away from police or fire coverage then state courts have said the annexation was illegal.

Last ruling I heard about Lees Ford was that a judge threw out Burnside's annexation, on the grounds that the annexation was solely for the purpose of alcohol sales, but they're still selling so I guess they appealed to a higher court and got a stay on the order.
question

Somerset, KY

#30 Apr 4, 2013
Bronston Man wrote:
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Well, different reasons really. In order to be annexed into the city they have to be connected by a road, and courts have overturned city annexations when the annexed area is too far away from the city center.
The whole annexation law was really about extending city services, so when a place is miles away from police or fire coverage then state courts have said the annexation was illegal.
Last ruling I heard about Lees Ford was that a judge threw out Burnside's annexation, on the grounds that the annexation was solely for the purpose of alcohol sales, but they're still selling so I guess they appealed to a higher court and got a stay on the order.
I went to Wildcats the other day and had my 20 yr old son with me, they would not let him in, said he had to be 21, when Walgreens and Rite Aid start carrying liqour, will under 21 not be allowed in the store?

“smiling on a cloudy day”

Level 7

Since: Jan 09

Shakedown Street

#31 Apr 4, 2013
question wrote:
<quoted text>I went to Wildcats the other day and had my 20 yr old son with me, they would not let him in, said he had to be 21, when Walgreens and Rite Aid start carrying liqour, will under 21 not be allowed in the store?
Yes, they will, but they supposedly won't be allowed in the liquor aisle itself.
longtimerburnsid er

London, KY

#32 Apr 5, 2013
RETIRED2 wrote:
Roger
Huh?
IsayNO

Somerset, KY

#33 Apr 5, 2013
With the city now being wet it isn't any trouble to just drive for a few minutes to get whatever you want. I see no need for the county to go wet especially now. After years of continually voting it down now suddenly our political leaders want it wet. Can anyone say GREED ! I find this to be disgusting. I live in the county and my vote will be NO.

“I been hangin' on every word.”

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Since: Sep 10

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#34 Apr 5, 2013
Estill County just recently came damn near close to going wet--lost by a 49/51 split in spite of a HUGE amount of money poured into the DRY side by churches in the area.

I'd love to help you guys out with any efforts you may take to lift prohibition in Somerset. You can find our website at firethebootleggers.com to get a bit of an idea how we went about the vote, the strategies we used, and what we learned in the process. We also have a Facebook group (Make Estill County Wet); feel free to join and ask any administrator and we will do what we can.

Who is currently organizing the petition? You will need a good strong organized group in order to get the vote out to win, but it is definitely doable--especially if Estill County which is extremely conservative with a much older population came so close to a county-wide wet vote.
question

Somerset, KY

#35 Apr 5, 2013
Bronston Man wrote:
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Yes, they will, but they supposedly won't be allowed in the liquor aisle itself.
Thanks
question

Somerset, KY

#36 Apr 5, 2013
IsayNO wrote:
With the city now being wet it isn't any trouble to just drive for a few minutes to get whatever you want. I see no need for the county to go wet especially now. After years of continually voting it down now suddenly our political leaders want it wet. Can anyone say GREED ! I find this to be disgusting. I live in the county and my vote will be NO.
You know at one time i would not have liked the word NO in this issue, but like you said, somerset is already wet and i live in somerset and all the NO's in the world will not bother me....drink up somerset...its here and its staying!! lol
IsayNO

Somerset, KY

#37 Apr 5, 2013
question wrote:
<quoted text>You know at one time i would not have liked the word NO in this issue, but like you said, somerset is already wet and i live in somerset and all the NO's in the world will not bother me....drink up somerset...its here and its staying!! lol
Thank you for understanding what I was trying to communicate to the posters here on topix. There is absolutely no reason for the county to go wet now other then for greedy merchants to be able to get their hands in the pie. Like yourself I also at one time did not like the continuous no votes but circumstances have changed. Somerset is wet and its going to stay wet, I am pleased with this because I think it will help all of pulaski county grow. As for the county going wet at this stage there is no need.

“smiling on a cloudy day”

Level 7

Since: Jan 09

Shakedown Street

#38 Apr 5, 2013
There would be far more money brought in from surrounding counties if we had 30+ liquor stores spread throughout the county, as opposed to only five clustered together on 27.

If the intention was to maximize the economic impact of alcohol sales then a full wet county should be supported. While some might say this is for beer sales in gas stations only, that isn't so. The state law doesn't work that way. If they have a successful vote then package liquor stores, bars, and restaurants selling by-the-drink will all be legalized.

“smiling on a cloudy day”

Level 7

Since: Jan 09

Shakedown Street

#39 Apr 5, 2013
Oh, and those liquor licenses for both package and bar wouldn't have to go out in the county; the vast majority would go to businesses inside Somerset city limits. Also, you'd also have one or two in Burnside, Ferguson, Nancy, Science Hill. I think it'd be great if all these incorporated communities within the county could benefit from the sale of alcohol.

“smiling on a cloudy day”

Level 7

Since: Jan 09

Shakedown Street

#40 Apr 6, 2013
Kick Brass wrote:
Estill County just recently came damn near close to going wet--lost by a 49/51 split in spite of a HUGE amount of money poured into the DRY side by churches in the area.
That's a shame it didn't go. You'd think, sitting there right next to Richmond all those years, and now they have Manchester to the south selling AND Owsley county. What are they accomplishing staying dry?

I bet many in Irvine are holding their heads in shame thinking poor little Owsley county got alcohol sales legalized where they could not.

3 more years, it'll pass next time!

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