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thxstupidstriker s

Harrogate, TN

#1 Nov 16, 2012
No more twinkles, but even worse, no more butternut bread! This is horrible!!!!
thxstupidstriker s

Harrogate, TN

#2 Nov 16, 2012
Actually the worse part is the 18,000+ people who are losing their job.

“We Are Family”

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Here, There and Everywhere!

#3 Nov 17, 2012
And the Unions steal, whoops, I meant still, live on.
Remember Lear Siegler in Somerset, Grand Rapids Michigan.
Remeber all the Plants in Somerset, no longer there,
Remember RexNord in Louisville, Danville,
Remember FRITO LAY in Louisville.

Remeber Here Today, Gone Tomorrow.
Remember, Does Obamacare?
inquiring mind

Lexington, KY

#4 Nov 17, 2012
why isn't hostess TOO BIG TO FAIL?

“Boogie Chill'un”

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#5 Nov 17, 2012
inquiring mind wrote:
why isn't hostess TOO BIG TO FAIL?
Probably poor management by CEOs who paid themselves a multi-million dollar bonus while the company was in bankruptcy before. That said, since the company was facing bankruptcy AGAIN, the unions should have probably conceded a bit.....although the Teamsters DID reach a contract with Hostess.

Truth be known, the owners probably wanted to sell and are using this as an excuse. be patient, they will be back, with new owners, and will start baking arsenic and who knows what else into their pastries in China by month's end.
getyourshinebox

Brownsville, TN

#6 Nov 17, 2012
So why the Board of directors get huge increases in pay for running a failing company the rank and file workers take pay cut after pay cut and ultimately loose their jobs.

You know in a traditional business model you do not pay raises to people running a company into bankruptcy a couple of times. I know the company I work for we control costs pay a fair wage and if you are non productive you are replaced.

Go ahead and make this into an "Obama is running this country off the cliff" or "the unions are ruining everything" rant. Then read some American business history or if reading is too much effort watch the History channels' The men who built America and see the tactics they used to amass fortunes that have been passed from family to family in this next century.

Then do some research on ole' Mitt on how his family fled the country to escape the polygamy laws so his grandfather could have multiple wives and then Mitts dad could come back to America and collect welfare.

Then study the way Bain capital does business. One thing they and the close members of the Romney family invest in is voting machines.

Go do that and get back to me later and if you do not see anything wrong with the way business are often ran here in this country at the expense of the middle or lower class then you yourself are either brain damaged or blinded by Roveism.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

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#7 Nov 17, 2012
Blame the union for failing to compromise.

Watch them blame Republicans and capitalism.

Cool Hand Clem

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#8 Nov 18, 2012
The unions are the main reason we are in this mess.
SMARTY

Somerset, KY

#9 Nov 18, 2012
getyourshinebox wrote:
So why the Board of directors get huge increases in pay for running a failing company the rank and file workers take pay cut after pay cut and ultimately loose their jobs.
You know in a traditional business model you do not pay raises to people running a company into bankruptcy a couple of times. I know the company I work for we control costs pay a fair wage and if you are non productive you are replaced.
Go ahead and make this into an "Obama is running this country off the cliff" or "the unions are ruining everything" rant. Then read some American business history or if reading is too much effort watch the History channels' The men who built America and see the tactics they used to amass fortunes that have been passed from family to family in this next century.
Then do some research on ole' Mitt on how his family fled the country to escape the polygamy laws so his grandfather could have multiple wives and then Mitts dad could come back to America and collect welfare.
Then study the way Bain capital does business. One thing they and the close members of the Romney family invest in is voting machines.
Go do that and get back to me later and if you do not see anything wrong with the way business are often ran here in this country at the expense of the middle or lower class then you yourself are either brain damaged or blinded by Roveism.
to the oboma is god complex people ...oooops,,,sorrry... i mean liberals....if u want to sell youre company you can sell nit...duh.......it doesnt have to be in bankrupcy ...u act as though owners bankrupt companies to make money....geeeeez dumb libs as usual..as far as u sayin the roms fled the country cause of tooo many wives....wtf..its ok to b gay but u dont beleive it ok to have a cple of wives....say 5 or 10....jealous little lib aint ya....hehehehehehefor youre info...my brother in law worked for hostess....the union voted to strike..the employees at his plant in indy didnt have a say....know sum facts......if its such a good thang why dont union people ever own a buisnesss...just asking

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#10 Nov 18, 2012
Why doesn't Hostess qualify for a bailout ??-No free Ding Dongs for the White House ??-
getyourshinebox

Brownsville, TN

#11 Nov 18, 2012
So where is the pension money?

Face it the motive of banks and hedge fund people is to buy a company in distress for pennies on the dollar and raid pensions and sell the scraps.

Funny thing is the great American institution of Hostess is soon to be owned my a Mexican company.

Level 2

Since: Dec 09

Brodhead, KY

#12 Nov 18, 2012
Just leave my little Debbie alone.

“Boogie Chill'un”

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#13 Nov 18, 2012
SMARTY wrote:
<quoted text>to the oboma is god complex people ...oooops,,,sorrry... i mean liberals....if u want to sell youre company you can sell nit...duh.......it doesnt have to be in bankrupcy ...u act as though owners bankrupt companies to make money....geeeeez dumb libs as usual..as far as u sayin the roms fled the country cause of tooo many wives....wtf..its ok to b gay but u dont beleive it ok to have a cple of wives....say 5 or 10....jealous little lib aint ya....hehehehehehefor youre info...my brother in law worked for hostess....the union voted to strike..the employees at his plant in indy didnt have a say....know sum facts......if its such a good thang why dont union people ever own a buisnesss...just asking
Well, I voted for Gary Johnson, but Willard's granddadddy was a Mexican national until the polygamy laws were reversed in Utah ....read a book.

“Boogie Chill'un”

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#15 Nov 18, 2012
getyourshinebox wrote:
So where is the pension money?
Face it the motive of banks and hedge fund people is to buy a company in distress for pennies on the dollar and raid pensions and sell the scraps.
Funny thing is the great American institution of Hostess is soon to be owned my a Mexican company.
Mexico, huh? I wondered if it would be them or China ...the two biggest winners in free trade....just behind the dirtbag CEOs in America and their bought and paid for politicians like Willard that helped them silence Perot and '92 . This opened the door and handed the keys to the elite. Just look back at William McKinley ...the first bought president ....but not the last ...how else do B movie actors make president?
BTDT

Myrtle Beach, SC

#16 Nov 19, 2012
I would think that 18,000 employees should be thankful that they had a job over the years instead of complaining about the company closing down. 18,000 people did have jobs for quite a while.
MMAN

Liberty, KY

#17 Nov 19, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
Blame the union for failing to compromise.
Watch them blame Republicans and capitalism.
Not totally the unions fault, to say so is just plain ignorance of the facts. The company was asking the employees to make concessions while the CEO got a 300% raise. Now who's to blame you dictator.

Cool Hand Clem

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#18 Nov 19, 2012
BTDT wrote:
I would think that 18,000 employees should be thankful that they had a job over the years instead of complaining about the company closing down. 18,000 people did have jobs for quite a while.
Of course they did but thats no reason for them to starve now.
BTDT

Myrtle Beach, SC

#19 Nov 19, 2012
A perfect example of unions and employees bleeding a company dry.
SMARTY

Somerset, KY

#20 Nov 19, 2012
i want to give another take on this....lets see...tobacco companies .....hmmm sue to the hilt and taxed to the hilt because of health problems to consumers......wheres the outrage over hostess....double standard liberals???????? kill youre kids with sweets is ok obesity has killed more then tobacco or alcohol.....wheres the outrage....why isnt the churches shuttin down alll them fat factories????? oh...the libs just pick and choose their causes when it suits em eh...figured michelle oboma would be doing jumping jacks over the closing of another fat factory.......look out thursday...another buisnesss will be closing down several stores if unions have their way......goodbye wally world.....

“Boogie Chill'un”

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#21 Nov 19, 2012
BTDT wrote:
A perfect example of unions and employees bleeding a company dry.
Not really.....the REAL questions to ask are these:

1.) Why did management give themselves an 80% pay hike, while the rank and file had not had a raise in TWELVE YEARS? Menawhile, the company had been in bankruptcy.....TWICE. I'm in management, I don't get raises for FAILURE.

2.) Why was the CEO making 2.55 million per year if the company was struggling so much? Where was the paycut there? The rank and file had already made concessions....upper management refused to.

3.) Why is Grupo Bimbo the most likely candidate for becoming the purchaser of Hostess? The answer is the ridiculously high sugar tariff that Mexico enforces on US companies to protect theirs. How's that NAFTA thing you all voted for in 1992 working out for you now? Dumbasses.

4.) Free trade is ruining this nation, not unions. Why don't you demand the repeal of free trade legislation? This case is actually a PRIME example of the screwing this country's workers are taking (yet again) as a result of electing corrupt officials who are in bed with big business. This is EXACTLY what Ross Perot Perot meant in 1992. He warned you all, you didn't listen. You just keep sending Democrats and republicans back to office to rape us all more and more. That's the ONLY reason these workers got what they deserve, save for the ones who vote third party.

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