sandy hook fake?

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#67 Jan 23, 2013
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<quoted text>wikipedia is commony cited but not vetted, heavily or really at all. It's areasonable start, but not a legitimate final source for anything
Are you kidding? The moment something incorrect hits it there's a half a dozen "needs citation" or "needs improvement" warnings.

It is the most comprehensive encyclopedia in the history of the world. It is a rational place to begin a casual bit of research. It is for the lay public.
alarms going off

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#68 Jan 23, 2013
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Yeah. I heard Bill Clinton's top secret TAKLA was on the scene BEFORE the shootings. How is that possible? I assume the radiation from cell phones probably was instrumental in covering up the tele-waves so our TV didn't see it. I don't have data on that. But I do know that Alex Jones is all over this.
And he's never wrong.
Crap. My tin foil has a hole in it. BRB.
People like you are why we are in this mess.Keep looking at that screen and keep you eyes trained on that fancy phone. You'll never know what hit you.Let the smarter ones do the thinking.
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#69 Jan 23, 2013
i dont think this was a hoax

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#70 Jan 23, 2013
What crazziness people create in their minds!!

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#71 Jan 23, 2013
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i dont think this was a hoax
....and I would certainly hope it's not....that would be disgusting. I think it has to do more with the media not getting their facts completely straight before reporting it as being accurate, or telling the whole story; even if there's anything to the descrepencies. When you do that, you lead to conspiracy theories....

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#72 Jan 23, 2013
alarms going off wrote:
<quoted text>People like you are why we are in this mess.Keep looking at that screen and keep you eyes trained on that fancy phone. You'll never know what hit you.Let the smarter ones do the thinking.
Will it be Bigfoot, chemtrails, or vaccines?

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#73 Jan 23, 2013
I think this sums it up for me, as Jesse usually does.....

From Jesse Ventura Facebook:

"I dont see enough evidence to think Sandy Hook was a false flag operation. This is more of a tragic event turned into political opportunity than it is a staged event. Was there investigative bungling and the sensationalist media reporting unverified stories? Yes. Was there confusion and were facts lost and gained in that confusion? Yes. Are there people, even witnesses, looking for their 30 seconds in the spotlight? Yes. Are there individuals and institutions using and shaping this event for their own political agendas? Yes, and we must keep a very watchful eye on those institutions to keep them from twisting the facts of this event. Sadly, everything I mentioned above can, when taken out of context, make one think manipulation is afoot. Most chaotic events can come across that way. In examining the event, I don't see government hands at work mainly because they would have covered their tracks better. We can't expect them to pull off elaborately planned hoaxes while at the same time leaving behind so many easy "smoking guns" for us to find. It took years for independent investigators to uncover JFK. It took years for us to begin scratching out the truth about 9/11. Those of us who study real history, not state sanctioned history, can very easily become just as close minded and biased for conspiracy as those who stand in our way and refuse to accept the truth about our government and the people running it. It's very easy to fall into that trap, especially when knowing how much of our history and world events are not what they appear to be. So please, do not immediately jump up and yell "Fire!" just because someone makes a youtube video. Research, research, research. You only hurt our cause by promoting false conspiracies and crackpot agendas. Much like the Birther conspiracy, I am starting to think that a lot of the so called "evidence" of conspiracy coming out about Sandy Hook is designed and fabricated to make us "conspiracy theorists", us truth seekers, look foolish. Why? So that when good people argue against the destruction of our Second Amendment they can easily be painted with the "crackpot" brush."
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#74 Jan 23, 2013
It is amazing the amount of freedoms many will sacrific after a tragedy like sandy hook or 9/11. It's even more sad how the politicians used these events to push their agendas. I just hope Americans wake up and quit getting sucked in by left/right polarized politics. I read a post on this thread earlier that was very true. It has got to the point where both sides just love to see the other side lose or fail no matter the cost to us all. Divided we fall

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#75 Jan 23, 2013
MeLoco wrote:
It is amazing the amount of freedoms many will sacrific after a tragedy like sandy hook or 9/11. It's even more sad how the politicians used these events to push their agendas. I just hope Americans wake up and quit getting sucked in by left/right polarized politics. I read a post on this thread earlier that was very true. It has got to the point where both sides just love to see the other side lose or fail no matter the cost to us all. Divided we fall
Brilliant, well said....
Walt

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#76 Jan 23, 2013
JumperJuice wrote:
<quoted text>....and I would certainly hope it's not....that would be disgusting. I think it has to do more with the media not getting their facts completely straight before reporting it as being accurate, or telling the whole story; even if there's anything to the descrepencies. When you do that, you lead to conspiracy theories....
So why did the media report that Adam Lanza used an AR15 Bushmaster style rifle when now its known that no long guns were used at all? Why did the coroner report that all the children were shot with the rifle, even Lanza? Why did they say Lanza came in his mother's car when it wasn't? Do you know who's car it was?

Maybe the media did jump too fast on some things they reported but there are still too many unanswered questions for me to let it go.

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#77 Jan 23, 2013
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So why did the media report that Adam Lanza used an AR15 Bushmaster style rifle when now its known that no long guns were used at all? Why did the coroner report that all the children were shot with the rifle, even Lanza? Why did they say Lanza came in his mother's car when it wasn't? Do you know who's car it was?
Maybe the media did jump too fast on some things they reported but there are still too many unanswered questions for me to let it go.
The media wants ratings, facts be damned. The faster they can report, the more sensational, the better.

If you can't let it go, keep digging ....nothing wrong with that. It's a touchy subject, if it did happen, I'd sure hate to come off calloused. I have two baby girls, if anything happened to them.....just don't want to think about it. I trust very few, especially the media or the fed, but I have a hard time believing even they would stoop this low...jmo.

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#78 Jan 23, 2013
JumperJuice wrote:
I think this sums it up for me, as Jesse usually does.....
From Jesse Ventura Facebook:
"I dont see enough evidence to think Sandy Hook was a false flag operation. This is more of a tragic event turned into political opportunity than it is a staged event. Was there investigative bungling and the sensationalist media reporting unverified stories? Yes. Was there confusion and were facts lost and gained in that confusion? Yes. Are there people, even witnesses, looking for their 30 seconds in the spotlight? Yes. Are there individuals and institutions using and shaping this event for their own political agendas? Yes, and we must keep a very watchful eye on those institutions to keep them from twisting the facts of this event. Sadly, everything I mentioned above can, when taken out of context, make one think manipulation is afoot. Most chaotic events can come across that way. In examining the event, I don't see government hands at work mainly because they would have covered their tracks better. We can't expect them to pull off elaborately planned hoaxes while at the same time leaving behind so many easy "smoking guns" for us to find. It took years for independent investigators to uncover JFK. It took years for us to begin scratching out the truth about 9/11. Those of us who study real history, not state sanctioned history, can very easily become just as close minded and biased for conspiracy as those who stand in our way and refuse to accept the truth about our government and the people running it. It's very easy to fall into that trap, especially when knowing how much of our history and world events are not what they appear to be. So please, do not immediately jump up and yell "Fire!" just because someone makes a youtube video. Research, research, research. You only hurt our cause by promoting false conspiracies and crackpot agendas. Much like the Birther conspiracy, I am starting to think that a lot of the so called "evidence" of conspiracy coming out about Sandy Hook is designed and fabricated to make us "conspiracy theorists", us truth seekers, look foolish. Why? So that when good people argue against the destruction of our Second Amendment they can easily be painted with the "crackpot" brush."
Ventura is a nutcase too. Isn't he a 9/11 Truther? It don't get nuttier.

I agree with him that Sandy Hook is not a conspiracy and the media coverage was not great and that some people will use it for political points. But that's about as far I agree with him.

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#79 Jan 23, 2013
Walt wrote:
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So why did the media report that Adam Lanza used an AR15 Bushmaster style rifle when now its known that no long guns were used at all? Why did the coroner report that all the children were shot with the rifle, even Lanza? Why did they say Lanza came in his mother's car when it wasn't? Do you know who's car it was?
Maybe the media did jump too fast on some things they reported but there are still too many unanswered questions for me to let it go.
This is why I find conspiracy theories and their supporters so irritating. They are rife with misinformation that gullible people just keep on repeating.

The killer did use the AR15. Here, this is from redstate.com a conservative website:

"The fact is, Adam Lanza used a handgun to take his own life, but he relied on the Bushmaster AR-15 to kill most of the victims. He did use that gun. You don’t have to believe me. Believe Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance"

http://www.redstate.com/2012/12/27/setting-th...

It is fine to read and research. But I think it is absolutely GHOULISH to pursue the notion that this event was some kind of conspiracy. It is offensive.
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#80 Jan 23, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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This is why I find conspiracy theories and their supporters so irritating. They are rife with misinformation that gullible people just keep on repeating.
The killer did use the AR15. Here, this is from redstate.com a conservative website:
"The fact is, Adam Lanza used a handgun to take his own life, but he relied on the Bushmaster AR-15 to kill most of the victims. He did use that gun. You don’t have to believe me. Believe Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance"
http://www.redstate.com/2012/12/27/setting-th...
It is fine to read and research. But I think it is absolutely GHOULISH to pursue the notion that this event was some kind of conspiracy. It is offensive.
It doesn't matter what weapon he used since he obtained the weapon illegally
walt

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#81 Jan 23, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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This is why I find conspiracy theories and their supporters so irritating. They are rife with misinformation that gullible people just keep on repeating.
The killer did use the AR15. Here, this is from redstate.com a conservative website:
"The fact is, Adam Lanza used a handgun to take his own life, but he relied on the Bushmaster AR-15 to kill most of the victims. He did use that gun. You don’t have to believe me. Believe Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance"
http://www.redstate.com/2012/12/27/setting-th...
It is fine to read and research. But I think it is absolutely GHOULISH to pursue the notion that this event was some kind of conspiracy. It is offensive.
Your link proves nothing. It even states that Adam Lanza's car was at the scene. Adam Lanza never owned a car, it wasn't his mother's car either. Do you know who's car it was? I do because I have looked at all this very closely because I want to know the truth. You said, "he relied on the Bushmaster AR-15 to kill most of the victims", then why did the coroner say that "ALL" children were shot with the rifle?

NBC Admitted: No ‘Assault Rifle’ Used in Newtown Shooting
Kyle Becker January 15, 2013 5:10 pm

"As NBC admits in the video above, four handguns were used to carry out that despicable atrocity. This directly contradicts other reports."

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/01/30208-nbc-adm...

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#82 Jan 23, 2013
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Ventura is a nutcase too. Isn't he a 9/11 Truther? It don't get nuttier.
I agree with him that Sandy Hook is not a conspiracy and the media coverage was not great and that some people will use it for political points. But that's about as far I agree with him.
Jesse's thoughts on 9/11 have been substantiated by physicists, architects, and engineers. He believes terrorists did it, he believes the ball was dropped. He THINKS it may have been a false flag operation much like the one in '62 that was devised to go to war with Cuba that JFK shot down known as CIA Operation Northwoods....look it up on Wikipedia. There are many unanswered questions. I can link you the trade journals discussing the metallurgy and the presence of thermite. Some things are worth looking into. False flag operations are a lot more common across a lot of governments than you think.

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#83 Jan 23, 2013
...in other words...the government didn't carry it out, but they didn't exactly get their sh*t together to stop it. Why were jet fighters scrambled to intercept Payne Stewart's ill fated flight, but we didn't stop highjacked planes or at least engage them? We have NORAD, and we couldn't intercept four passenger planes, but we can stop a nuke, and pick up enemy fighters and bombers before they ever stand a chance? You don't see something wrong with that? No black boxes recovered that are made of titanium ...which has a melting point of 3000+ degrees? That dog won't hunt with me.

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#84 Jan 24, 2013
walt wrote:
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Your link proves nothing. It even states that Adam Lanza's car was at the scene. Adam Lanza never owned a car, it wasn't his mother's car either. Do you know who's car it was? I do because I have looked at all this very closely because I want to know the truth. You said, "he relied on the Bushmaster AR-15 to kill most of the victims", then why did the coroner say that "ALL" children were shot with the rifle?
NBC Admitted: No ‘Assault Rifle’ Used in Newtown Shooting
Kyle Becker January 15, 2013 5:10 pm
"As NBC admits in the video above, four handguns were used to carry out that despicable atrocity. This directly contradicts other reports."
http://www.ijreview.com/2013/01/30208-nbc-adm...
I linked you to an explicitly Conservative website, the last place on earth you'd find someone involved in a conspiracy to take away your guns (that is what this is about, right?). And they quote the police who were on the scene.

You are anomaly hunting. That means you are looking for ANY sort of discrepancy and pointing to it as evidence of a conspiracy. This is Conspiracy Theory 101. In your post you quibble over words like "most" vs. "all" as if that was enough evidence to suggest there is a conspiracy.

Look, I'm not going to engage you in this any further. Just understand that children are dead and parent are still grieving. It's extremely offensive to be promoting this kind of scavenger-hunting nonsense.

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#85 Jan 24, 2013
JumperJuice wrote:
...in other words...the government didn't carry it out, but they didn't exactly get their sh*t together to stop it. Why were jet fighters scrambled to intercept Payne Stewart's ill fated flight, but we didn't stop highjacked planes or at least engage them? We have NORAD, and we couldn't intercept four passenger planes, but we can stop a nuke, and pick up enemy fighters and bombers before they ever stand a chance? You don't see something wrong with that? No black boxes recovered that are made of titanium ...which has a melting point of 3000+ degrees? That dog won't hunt with me.
I don't think we can even intercept a nuke, if you ask me. Maybe if we get lucky.

The 9/11 conspiracies have been debunked a hundred times. As far as the extent to which the US government had information that *might* have helped prevent it I don't know. I'm sure they did have information. They have more information than people can actually evaluate in a timely manner.

Again, this all goes back to anomaly hunting and pattern seeking. People who buy into these ideas are often predisposed to paranoia. And Ventura is definitely in that category. Not as batsh*t crazy as Ted Nugent or Alex Jones but he definitely leans to their side.

Loved him in X-Files "Jose Chung's From Outer Space" though. Classic.

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#86 Jan 24, 2013
And for the record I have no idea if we can intercept a nuke. I know that the technology is not foolproof and I know that a nuclear missile is not a passenger plane. Huge difference. Shoot one down and you prevent a bomb, shoot the other down and you kill hundreds of innocent people.

Kinda important.

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