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#129 Jul 19, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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To be fair, everyone understood it was a joke.
Thanks

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#130 Jul 19, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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To be fair, everyone understood it was a joke.
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I asked you a while back . How homosexual marriage would benifit America. Fair is fair.
When the special laws for homosexuals are removed I will vote for marriage. I'm not sure it will benifit America as much aas politicians.

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http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2013/0...
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#131 Jul 19, 2013
How will same-sex marriage benefit Americans? Well, for one thing, the overall divorce rate will decrease.

Of course, that's bad if you consider lawyers "real Americans."
Runner

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#132 Jul 19, 2013
Gomer-ez wrote:
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I asked you a while back . How homosexual marriage would benifit America. Fair is fair.
When the special laws for homosexuals are removed I will vote for marriage. I'm not sure it will benifit America as much aas politicians.

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http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2013/0...
Why does it need to help America? Sure wont hurt it. Seriously?

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#133 Jul 19, 2013
Runner wrote:
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Why does it need to help America? Sure wont hurt it. Seriously?
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As Americans we should be paddling the boat in the same dirrection. I did not say help. I said benifit America.

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#134 Jul 19, 2013
Gomer-ez wrote:
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As Americans we should be paddling the boat in the same dirrection. I did not say help. I said benifit America.
How does marriage in general benefit America?

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#135 Jul 20, 2013
Allanon80 wrote:
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How does marriage in general benefit America?
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I refere you to post 130.
Hey I'm against homosexual marriage. Research it.

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#137 Jul 20, 2013
Gomer-ez wrote:
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I refere you to post 130.
Hey I'm against homosexual marriage. Research it.
It really doesn't matter whether you vote for same sex marriage or not.

You know that, right?

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#138 Jul 20, 2013
Gomer-ez wrote:
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I asked you a while back . How homosexual marriage would benifit America. Fair is fair.
When the special laws for homosexuals are removed I will vote for marriage. I'm not sure it will benifit America as much aas politicians.
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http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2013/0...
I don't care how it will benefit America. I think that is a misleading and irrelevant question.

The question should be this: On what grounds can we continue to deny marriage rights to gay couples?

Ask that question and you'll see why marriage equality is not only ethically correct, but logically sound given the context of a secular nation with a desire to grant as many freedoms as possible and impose as few limitations as possible.

If you think freedom generally leads to benefit then your original question should be moot.

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#139 Jul 20, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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I don't care how it will benefit America. I think that is a misleading and irrelevant question.
The question should be this: On what grounds can we continue to deny marriage rights to gay couples?
Ask that question and you'll see why marriage equality is not only ethically correct, but logically sound given the context of a secular nation with a desire to grant as many freedoms as possible and impose as few limitations as possible.
If you think freedom generally leads to benefit then your original question should be moot.
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Thank you .It is people like you that are bringing America down. You do not care about America , just what you can take from the American way of life. That is how special interest groups are. You do not give anything back. You just take.
I have no use for some one who does not care about America. Conversation over.
Tough Love

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#140 Jul 20, 2013
Kathleen Kane, Pennsylvania’s Attorney General, recently stated that she will not defend against the ACLU’s current lawsuit challenging PA's version of DOMA as it is “wholly unconstitutional” and called for her state to end its discrimination against gays. The issue now falls into the lap of Governor Tom Corbett (R) and his General Council James Schultz who are said to be “reviewing the matter.” Insiders speculate that Corbett who is facing plummeting poll numbers may also decide not to defend his state’s prohibition of SSM. Not only have attitudes toward SSM drastically changed since the bill was passed in 1996 -- on the heels of the federal version -- but 58 percent of voters are now saying they are unhappy with the way Corbett ignored the Sandusky molestation allegations in 2009 when he was Attorney General. I recall reading somewhere that the PA voters have never denied a second term to a governor and if that is true, I suspect that Corbett may not be willing to fall on his sword over an issue that will be largely moot in 5 years. As I said previously said, watch Pennsylvania. It’s the first of the dominos.
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#141 Jul 20, 2013
Gomer-ez wrote:
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Thank you .It is people like you that are bringing America down. You do not care about America , just what you can take from the American way of life. That is how special interest groups are. You do not give anything back. You just take.
I have no use for some one who does not care about America. Conversation over.
That's the exact same thing some people said when women were given the right to vote and blacks no longer had to use separate restrooms and drinking fountains or sit at the back of the bus.

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#142 Jul 20, 2013
Gomer-ez wrote:
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Thank you .It is people like you that are bringing America down. You do not care about America , just what you can take from the American way of life. That is how special interest groups are. You do not give anything back. You just take.
I have no use for some one who does not care about America. Conversation over.
How in the world did you get "does not care about America" from what I posted??? I'm baffled.

When you acknowledge people for who they are and grant them as many liberties as possible the result IS A BENEFIT.

I don't care what country you happen to live in at the time. It is beneficial.

I have no use for or interest in the pseudo-patriotism and nationalism implied in your post. This issue is about people, not flags.
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#143 Jul 21, 2013
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I see the problem you are viewing this in a religious dogma way which prevents you from seeing this in a human rights way. You would be wrong about sexuality being a choice every respected medical association asserts that much. So what like I said before if everyone votes on it....does that make it right? That is what we have the court system for to prevent the majority from taking away the rights of the minority. To sum up what my last statement and question to you was:
Even if you believe that sexuality is a choice so what? You have a choice in what you believe, how you believe and where you believe. What is one day the majority of Americans decided you should no longer have that choice and decide by a vote to take it away from you. Are you stating that would be ok? Clearly the vote was taken and you no longer get to choose. Are you stating that should be ok?
Nope. Seeing it as a lifestyle choice. Which is what it is. Choosing to live a gay lifestyle is a choice and you have the right to make that choice. No one can choose to be black, brown, white or any other color. That's where rights come into play.
Unless the Constitution were revoked, replaced or suspended I shouldn't have to ever worry about my religious beliefs being endangered...the current administration included.
Again, God's commandments and laws supercede any human laws. There really isn't any discussion possible on that subject for me.
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#144 Jul 21, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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The question should be this: On what grounds can we continue to deny marriage rights to gay couples?
It's simple. It's the law in many states, based on affording a segment of the population a special privilege because of a lifestyle choice. Nothing more.

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#145 Jul 21, 2013
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Nope. Seeing it as a lifestyle choice. Which is what it is. Choosing to live a gay lifestyle is a choice and you have the right to make that choice. No one can choose to be black, brown, white or any other color. That's where rights come into play.
Unless the Constitution were revoked, replaced or suspended I shouldn't have to ever worry about my religious beliefs being endangered...the current administration included.
Again, God's commandments and laws supercede any human laws. There really isn't any discussion possible on that subject for me.
Way to dodge the question as that is not what I asked, but at least I see where your lack of information comes from. BTW I did not ask if it was possible I asked if you would like if it was done.

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#146 Jul 21, 2013
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Nope. Seeing it as a lifestyle choice. Which is what it is. Choosing to live a gay lifestyle is a choice and you have the right to make that choice. No one can choose to be black, brown, white or any other color. That's where rights come into play.
Unless the Constitution were revoked, replaced or suspended I shouldn't have to ever worry about my religious beliefs being endangered...the current administration included.
Again, God's commandments and laws supercede any human laws. There really isn't any discussion possible on that subject for me.
BTW seeing this as a lifestyle choice by what evidence?

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#147 Jul 22, 2013
Paul Revere wrote:
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It's simple. It's the law in many states, based on affording a segment of the population a special privilege because of a lifestyle choice. Nothing more.
You've got two glaring problems with this argument.

1) We change laws all the time. Arguing that something is the law is not a very compelling argument for the law. Laws have context and the context is what matters.

2) You are asserting that homosexuality is "nothing more" than a lifestyle choice. How do you know? What is your evidence? Defend the claim or admit it is mere opinion.
Paul Revere

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#148 Jul 22, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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You are asserting that homosexuality is "nothing more" than a lifestyle choice. How do you know? What is your evidence? Defend the claim or admit it is mere opinion.
Simple. God said "don't do it". Telling us to not engage in some activity indicates that we have a CHOICE. We can either choose to do what we want or we can follow God's edict that homosexuality is
Why tell us not to do something if we have no control over such actions?
Paul Revere

London, KY

#149 Jul 22, 2013
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Way to dodge the question as that is not what I asked, but at least I see where your lack of information comes from. BTW I did not ask if it was possible I asked if you would like if it was done.
I haven't "dodged" anything. You are trying to make a comparison based on a wild hypothetical. The fact remains that gay marriage IS illegal in many states. The Supreme Court found in a 5-4 decision (hardly unanimous) that gay couples are eligible to receive Federal benefits. That decision opens up a path for striking down existing law (via constitutional amendments) in all the states.
Again, I have to remind everyone that DOMA was signed into law by Bill Clinton and it was the Obama Administration that "chose" not to defend the law. Basically, we have come to the point where our elected leaders are picking and choosing which laws they will enforce (such as the DoJ in the Philly Black Panther case) and which ones they will defend (DOMA).
I continue to ask the same question why gay marriage wasn't legalized decades ago if it is "harmless and natural" as some here claim?

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