Gun control at its best

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Since: Nov 08

Corbin Ky.

#24 Jan 10, 2013
zipyourlip wrote:
<quoted text>True, and when the 2nd Amendment was written, they were using single shot muskets.
But they were state of the art weapons of the day comparable to what ehe enemy had and used.

“Statism is slavery”

Since: Jan 13

Somerset, KY

#25 Jan 10, 2013
wowed wrote:
<quoted text>
If violent media doesn't influence the viewers then why do companies pay $30 million for a one second advertisment during the super bowl. Most ad agencies are headed by psychologists who know how to trick the human mind into buying something they don't need.
There are many factors involved but you will have to admit that a video game that keeps track of "body count" and spent shell casings sure doesn't help.
I disagree. I was raised on video games. I played games that included killing, sex, and tons more violence - and I'm not talking about Grand Theft Auto. lol! Not to mention the various movies that had violence in them. And I never became violent.

In the '60s pot was to blame, in the '70s and '80s it was music, in the '90s and today it's video games. People just want something to blame besides their own.

The reason why companies spend millions on advertisements is because they're trying to buy your business. It's called competition. What little of it we have left anyways.
Clear Thinker 2oo

East Bernstadt, KY

#26 Jan 10, 2013
KennyKelly3 wrote:
<quoted text>
I disagree. I was raised on video games. I played games that included killing, sex, and tons more violence - and I'm not talking about Grand Theft Auto. lol! Not to mention the various movies that had violence in them. And I never became violent.
In the '60s pot was to blame, in the '70s and '80s it was music, in the '90s and today it's video games. People just want something to blame besides their own.
The reason why companies spend millions on advertisements is because they're trying to buy your business. It's called competition. What little of it we have left anyways.
I agree that 99.9% of those playing the games are capable of separating virtual reality from reality. It's the .1% who don't have a firm grip on reality that cause the problem. Of course a disassociation from reality could probably also be considered a mental illness.

“Statism is slavery”

Since: Jan 13

Somerset, KY

#28 Jan 10, 2013
Clear Thinker 2oo wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree that 99.9% of those playing the games are capable of separating virtual reality from reality. It's the .1% who don't have a firm grip on reality that cause the problem. Of course a disassociation from reality could probably also be considered a mental illness.
That 1% committing crimes is still not the fault of tv and video games. Nor their creators. Because they'll use anything as an excuse or trigger to commit violent acts. And not to mention the caregivers of those 1% should monitor what they think are triggers.
Clear Thinker 2oo

East Bernstadt, KY

#29 Jan 10, 2013
KennyKelly3 wrote:
<quoted text>
That 1% committing crimes is still not the fault of tv and video games. Nor their creators. Because they'll use anything as an excuse or trigger to commit violent acts. And not to mention the caregivers of those 1% should monitor what they think are triggers.
All true

“smiling on a cloudy day”

Level 7

Since: Jan 09

Shakedown Street

#31 Jan 10, 2013
zipyourlip wrote:
<quoted text>True, and when the 2nd Amendment was written, they were using single shot muskets.
When the 1st Amendment was written, the only form of mass communication was the printing press.

Should modern day communications be protected by the 1st Amendment? If so, then why should modern day arms not be protected by the 2nd Amendment?
zipyourlip

Bolivar, MO

#33 Jan 10, 2013
Bronston Man wrote:
<quoted text>
When the 1st Amendment was written, the only form of mass communication was the printing press.
Should modern day communications be protected by the 1st Amendment? If so, then why should modern day arms not be protected by the 2nd Amendment?
I will defer to Senator Joe Manchin on this. I see no reason for the public to be armed with military assault weapons, and the high capacity magazines used for the killing of innocents. The 2nd Amendendment speaks of an armed militia, not a collection of armed crazy white people.
Funny stuff

Lake Geneva, WI

#34 Jan 10, 2013
zipyourlip wrote:
<quoted text>I will defer to Senator Joe Manchin on this. I see no reason for the public to be armed with military assault weapons, and the high capacity magazines used for the killing of innocents. The 2nd Amendendment speaks of an armed militia, not a collection of armed crazy white people.
Most of the gun violence is from minority drug gangs.

Do you agree or disagree?

“smiling on a cloudy day”

Level 7

Since: Jan 09

Shakedown Street

#35 Jan 10, 2013
zipyourlip wrote:
<quoted text>I will defer to Senator Joe Manchin on this. I see no reason for the public to be armed with military assault weapons, and the high capacity magazines used for the killing of innocents. The 2nd Amendendment speaks of an armed militia, not a collection of armed crazy white people.
Some people see no reason for the public to be armed with such a loud mouthpiece as the Internet. Some consider crazy people armed with a loudspeaker dangerous, and such powers of speech should be limited to the military and government.

Now, why in your example did you single out "white" people? Don't you think blacks, Mexicans, Asians all own guns too?

I see where the anti-gun crowd is going with this. How can your be intellectually honest and make a discussion into gun control about race?

If someone said "all them crazy black folks shooting and killing one another" they would be branded as a racist. Well someone saying "all them crazy white folks shooting and killing one another" is just as racist.

Sometimes I'm so ashamed of being a Democrat.
zipyourlip

Bolivar, MO

#36 Jan 10, 2013
Bronston Man wrote:
<quoted text>
Some people see no reason for the public to be armed with such a loud mouthpiece as the Internet. Some consider crazy people armed with a loudspeaker dangerous, and such powers of speech should be limited to the military and government.
Now, why in your example did you single out "white" people? Don't you think blacks, Mexicans, Asians all own guns too?
I see where the anti-gun crowd is going with this. How can your be intellectually honest and make a discussion into gun control about race?
If someone said "all them crazy black folks shooting and killing one another" they would be branded as a racist. Well someone saying "all them crazy white folks shooting and killing one another" is just as racist.
Sometimes I'm so ashamed of being a Democrat.
You can run by all of us the amount of times that the massacre of folks in schools, movie theaters, congressional town halls in parking lots were perpetrated by people of color. All one has to do is to look at who is doing the killing wouldn't you say, and all look pretty crazy and white. You should be ashamed, for during the alcohol debate you suddenly weren't a Democrat anymore.....remember?
Funny stuff

Lake Geneva, WI

#37 Jan 10, 2013
zipyourlip wrote:
<quoted text>You can run by all of us the amount of times that the massacre of folks in schools, movie theaters, congressional town halls in parking lots were perpetrated by people of color. All one has to do is to look at who is doing the killing wouldn't you say, and all look pretty crazy and white. You should be ashamed, for during the alcohol debate you suddenly weren't a Democrat anymore.....remember?
The majority of gun crimes in this country are committed by minority drug gangs. The commonality in the crimes that you mentioned are the drugs and mental health issues as well as attachments to satanism and death cult (goth) sub-culture.
Why aren't you talking about banning psychotropic drugs? Could it be that you use some of the same drugs? What kind of brain candy are you on?
gomer-ez

Bolivar, MO

#38 Jan 10, 2013
This is something to think about.

Take action now before it's too late!

I love statistics!

(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.

(B) Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year are 120,000.

(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171

Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health and Human Services.

Now think about this:
Guns

(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.(Yes, that's 80
million)

(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.

(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188

Statistics courtesy of the FBI

So statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than
gun owners.

Remember, Guns don't kill people, doctors do!!!

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT Almost everyone has at least one doctor.
This means you are over 9,000 times more likely to be killed by a doctor
than as by a gun owner!!!

Now if you have more than one doctor, you're just out of luck!!!

Please alert your friends to this alarming threat.
We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!!!!!

Out of concern for the public at large, The statistics on
Lawyers has been withheld for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention!
Old

Racine, OH

#39 Jan 10, 2013
Clear Thinker 2oo wrote:
Of course a disassociation from reality could probably also be considered a mental illness.
That's sort of the definition of psychosis

“smiling on a cloudy day”

Level 7

Since: Jan 09

Shakedown Street

#40 Jan 10, 2013
zipyourlip wrote:
<quoted text>You can run by all of us the amount of times that the massacre of folks in schools, movie theaters, congressional town halls in parking lots were perpetrated by people of color. All one has to do is to look at who is doing the killing wouldn't you say, and all look pretty crazy and white. You should be ashamed, for during the alcohol debate you suddenly weren't a Democrat anymore.....remember?
I didn't realize the alcohol debate was a partisan vote? Was Johnny Walker the Republican and Jim Beam the Democrat?

And are you really trying to assert that murders are committed more by whites than by minorities? I think you will find otherwise:

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/rac...

Blacks are both more likely to die by homicide, as they are vastly more likely to commit homicide.

"In 2005, homicide victimization rates for blacks were 6 times higher than the rates for whites."

"In 2005, offending rates for blacks were more than 7 times higher than the rates for whites."

**********

Now, the much heralded statistics pandered about by the gun grabber crowd here recently was the 500th homicide in the city of Chicago. Now I want you to take a wild guess as to the racial makeup of both victims and perpetrators of those 500 killings. Go on, guess.

Nevermind, here is a link:

http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/races/

Asian 11
Black 2,048
Unknown 140
White 647

* White includes Hispanic

That is data for the past five years. But yeah, tell us again how it is all white people's fault.

No one brought race into this conversation except for you. When presented with facts your race-based argument falls apart, so I would suggest in the future you steer away from that talking point.

=D
Old

Racine, OH

#41 Jan 10, 2013
zipyourlip wrote:
Biden said the administration has not decided what executive action to take, but the Justice Department has reportedly considered executive action to ensure that more records of mental illness are included in the FBI's background check system, in addition to similar measures.
This doesn't address the issue of how the vast majority of mass shootings have to do with illegally obtained weapons. Criminals bypass laws and so laws only curtail the people who are not the threat
zipyourlip

Bolivar, MO

#42 Jan 10, 2013
Bronston Man wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't realize the alcohol debate was a partisan vote? Was Johnny Walker the Republican and Jim Beam the Democrat?
And are you really trying to assert that murders are committed more by whites than by minorities? I think you will find otherwise:
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/rac...
Blacks are both more likely to die by homicide, as they are vastly more likely to commit homicide.
"In 2005, homicide victimization rates for blacks were 6 times higher than the rates for whites."
"In 2005, offending rates for blacks were more than 7 times higher than the rates for whites."
**********
Now, the much heralded statistics pandered about by the gun grabber crowd here recently was the 500th homicide in the city of Chicago. Now I want you to take a wild guess as to the racial makeup of both victims and perpetrators of those 500 killings. Go on, guess.
Nevermind, here is a link:
http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/races/
Asian 11
Black 2,048
Unknown 140
White 647
* White includes Hispanic
That is data for the past five years. But yeah, tell us again how it is all white people's fault.
No one brought race into this conversation except for you. When presented with facts your race-based argument falls apart, so I would suggest in the future you steer away from that talking point.
=D
I plainly stated the school massacres and mass killings of innocents were perpetrated by crazy white folks, and most inner city homicides are not being carried out with military assault weapons. The shooter at Virginia Tech was Asian.

“smiling on a cloudy day”

Level 7

Since: Jan 09

Shakedown Street

#43 Jan 10, 2013
zipyourlip wrote:
<quoted text>I plainly stated the school massacres and mass killings of innocents were perpetrated by crazy white folks, and most inner city homicides are not being carried out with military assault weapons. The shooter at Virginia Tech was Asian.
The vast majority of gun homicides in America, not just the inner city, are not being carried out by modern day semi-automatic rifles.

So tell me again, why is their a witchhunt to take these arms away from law abiding Americans?

More people are killed every year by both stabbing and being beaten to death barehanded than are killed by what you term "military style assault weapons". So again, the question poised, why are we even discussing their banishment?

It makes absolutely no logical sense.

“smiling on a cloudy day”

Level 7

Since: Jan 09

Shakedown Street

#44 Jan 10, 2013
zipyourlip wrote:
<quoted text>I plainly stated the school massacres and mass killings of innocents were perpetrated by crazy white folks
Next time they find a pile of heads down south of the border or a village burned over in the Congo you can come tell us that it was all whitey's fault.

You brought race into this attempting to characterize white people as the bad guys.

Disgusting racist display on your part.
zipyourlip

Bolivar, MO

#45 Jan 10, 2013
Bronston Man wrote:
<quoted text>
The vast majority of gun homicides in America, not just the inner city, are not being carried out by modern day semi-automatic rifles.
So tell me again, why is their a witchhunt to take these arms away from law abiding Americans?
More people are killed every year by both stabbing and being beaten to death barehanded than are killed by what you term "military style assault weapons". So again, the question poised, why are we even discussing their banishment?
It makes absolutely no logical sense.
Everyone should be allowed to own their own Vulcan system, a 20MM Gatling gun that shoots over 3,000 rounds per minute with high explosion cartridges. Boy would that cause mayhem. I qualified as an expert with an M-16 back in the day, and see no reason for that type of fire power to be on the streets of America. I'm with Senator Manchin, I don't need that many shots to hit what I fire at!
zipyourlip

Bolivar, MO

#47 Jan 10, 2013
Bronston Man wrote:
<quoted text>
Next time they find a pile of heads down south of the border or a village burned over in the Congo you can come tell us that it was all whitey's fault.
You brought race into this attempting to characterize white people as the bad guys.
Disgusting racist display on your part.
Truth is not racist, and in order for my comments to be labeled as racist, I would need to be a minority, which I am not. Try again!

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