Who's Really Going to Pay for Ballpark??

Who's Really Going to Pay for Ballpark??

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MS Kelly

El Paso, TX

#1 Jul 31, 2013
When I went to vote on Ballpark I was told it would be paid for by the Hotel Occupancy Tax for $50 million. Now, we destroyed a $35 million City Hall/City Property Building, that cost more than originally planned. The Ball Park is now going to cost $65 million, ooops. Who is behind these decisions? I am looking for support to investigate what is happening to our tax dollars, who is making the decisions, and who is benefiting. Step Up El Paso...We Need Order and Transparency with our government.
Anonymous

El Paso, TX

#2 Jul 31, 2013
I agree, I fear that most El Pasoans niether know nor care, but I feel this is just one area that holds this city back
MS Kelly

El Paso, TX

#3 Jul 31, 2013
I am very concerned about the process in which this agreement was made. The local government has gone wild. I think people care, like I do, but don't know what to do to get the ball rolling to get this to the FBI. I understand the private emails/messages are to be released soon as public information. The Can of Worms has been opened, just waiting for the can to be dumped.
POS

Shanghai, China

#4 Jul 31, 2013
Who's going to pay for the new swapmeet? People with good jobs and own property, that's who. Not the 47%.
POS

Shanghai, China

#5 Jul 31, 2013
Oops', it is not 47%, we are commenting on El Paso. I should have wrote 74%
Mr Itchy Scabies

El Paso, TX

#6 Jul 31, 2013
The people that stay in El Paso hotels are going to pay for the stadium up to 50 million dollars worth.
The additional 12 million and any other cost increase will be paid by Mountain Star Sports so the stadium will cost approximately 62 million dollars.
What beats me is that the stadium is going to have a vertical look to it and seat about 7 to 9 thousand fans,so then if the stadium is going to be expensive then why couldn't they have added more seats?
It you look at the renderings,the stadium could have added more seats, but right to the center of the stadium on two levels they have luxury sky boxes so then why couldn't they have added seats below those sky boxes making it a three level stadium with about 12 thousand seats instead? It would sure look much more nicer if they had planed the stadium right the first time. I could have designed that stadium myself and everyone would be proud,this stadium looks more like it's a stadium for the wealthy people only by the looks of it.
APPAUSEPLEASE

Santa Fe, NM

#7 Jul 31, 2013
Yep the good people of ELP have been had - of course the plan all along was to artificially lower the price tag, suck people into the deal
and now that contracts have been signed etc it is cheaper to go forward than cancel out for fear of
lawsuits.

Another political ploy by people that are getting something out of the deal - not just good PR or
for the good of the community.

Standby for further cost adjustments driving the cost up and of course all of this was unexpected.
Mr Itchy Scabies

El Paso, TX

#8 Jul 31, 2013
APPAUSEPLEASE wrote:
Yep the good people of ELP have been had - of course the plan all along was to artificially lower the price tag, suck people into the deal
and now that contracts have been signed etc it is cheaper to go forward than cancel out for fear of
lawsuits.
Another political ploy by people that are getting something out of the deal - not just good PR or
for the good of the community.
Standby for further cost adjustments driving the cost up and of course all of this was unexpected.
FYI! there are two kinds of people in El Paso, The can do's positive attitudes, and then there are the Naysayers,and you don't qualify to make any opinions since you are not from El Paso.
No body got sucked into any deal here, like I said before the Hotel Tax will pay for fifty million dollars of the stadium and Mountain Star Sports will pay for any additional stadium cost increase.
We want a state of the art stadium for our city,so Mountain star Sports is going to pay for the additional cost increase.
Now on August 16 the Pacific Coast League is going to announce the teams schedule and realignment divisions, and so far the Albuquerque Isotopes and the Round Rock Express will be in the same division as the El Paso Ant Eaters! for 2014.
So watch out Albuquerque! we take no hostages and we kill for less.
POS

Shanghai, China

#9 Jul 31, 2013
Mr Itchy Scabies wrote:
<quoted text>
FYI! there are two kinds of people in El Paso, The can do's positive attitudes, and then there are the Naysayers,and you don't qualify to make any opinions since you are not from El Paso.
No body got sucked into any deal here, like I said before the Hotel Tax will pay for fifty million dollars of the stadium and Mountain Star Sports will pay for any additional stadium cost increase.
We want a state of the art stadium for our city,so Mountain star Sports is going to pay for the additional cost increase.
Now on August 16 the Pacific Coast League is going to announce the teams schedule and realignment divisions, and so far the Albuquerque Isotopes and the Round Rock Express will be in the same division as the El Paso Ant Eaters! for 2014.
So watch out Albuquerque! we take no hostages and we kill for less.
25 years of bonds to get paid off. The price tag will continue to rise. What the thieves in Chity Hall did was for their self. The voters of El Paso did not have a say in the final out come, but will have to pay for a 30% short fall in taxes not collected. As I stated before, follow the paper trail from the concessions. They will be in line with the thieves that made the deal with Mountain Star.

P.S. I pay taxes in hELl Paso
Mr Itchy Scabies

El Paso, TX

#10 Aug 1, 2013
POS wrote:
<quoted text>25 years of bonds to get paid off. The price tag will continue to rise. What the thieves in Chity Hall did was for their self. The voters of El Paso did not have a say in the final out come, but will have to pay for a 30% short fall in taxes not collected. As I stated before, follow the paper trail from the concessions. They will be in line with the thieves that made the deal with Mountain Star.
P.S. I pay taxes in hELl Paso
FYI!I pay taxes to!! and so do many more El Pasoans, and when we went out to vote last November,we did so because we were tired of letting people like Eddie Holguin and Carl Robinson and YOU! Dictate what should not be for the better of this entire city.
As for you that has No Pride No common sense,you even call your City Hell Paso,you should stay in China where you belong,you are just like those traitors that complain about the United States, and leak our Intelligence to the Chinese, Yea! You are like Edward Snowden. I wonder what you named your own children or if you have any children at all, I feel sorry for them.Their father never had any time for them or didn't care to spend any money on them.
You are what I call a cheap skate,a penny pinch'er tight wad.
You probably still wear the same shoes you wore at your graduation from high school?What out come are you complaining about? How can you be so ignorant and pretend that you are on the side of the people.We the voters out voted you and your typo. And so that is the way things are done,there is no paper trail other than the toilet paper that followed you the last time you use a public toilet,because I doubt that you even buy any toilet paper.
The Deal Is Final, So Get Over It?
I Think

El Paso, TX

#11 Aug 1, 2013
POS wrote:
<quoted text>25 years of bonds to get paid off. The price tag will continue to rise. What the thieves in Chity Hall did was for their self. The voters of El Paso did not have a say in the final out come, but will have to pay for a 30% short fall in taxes not collected. As I stated before, follow the paper trail from the concessions. They will be in line with the thieves that made the deal with Mountain Star.
P.S. I pay taxes in hELl Paso
Boy you couldn't be more correct. I just want to know who paid for the parts and pieces of the present city hall and relocation fees hotel taxes? When a new business want to move or relocate to ElPaso. Do they ask do you have a triple a baseball team? How come the railroad yard and businesses that are following it are moving out of ElPaso to Santa Teresa NM? I really think this baseball park is way over rated as far as attracting people here. They will play about 75 games a year there. What are they going to use it for the other 290 days? Maybe Mr. Itchy might know
Mr Itchy Scabies

El Paso, TX

#12 Aug 1, 2013
I Think wrote:
<quoted text> Boy you couldn't be more correct. I just want to know who paid for the parts and pieces of the present city hall and relocation fees hotel taxes? When a new business want to move or relocate to ElPaso. Do they ask do you have a triple a baseball team? How come the railroad yard and businesses that are following it are moving out of ElPaso to Santa Teresa NM? I really think this baseball park is way over rated as far as attracting people here. They will play about 75 games a year there. What are they going to use it for the other 290 days? Maybe Mr. Itchy might know
Nothing has been decided yet but I have made several proposals as to what they could do. One surefire winner would be to have a stripper/dancer night from time to time. Every man in this town has been to a strip club but seeing half-nude, gyrating women in a giant ballpark on a big stage would be a real treat. The girls wouldn't have to worry about any pawing or groping of their parts since the patrons would be far enough away, so they can really let loose and give a great show. They won't have to be inhibited in the way they shake their moneymaker, for example. Another idea would be to have one of these mass wedding like they have in Korea. Hundred of couples would pay $600 each to have their wedding at the stadium and we'd get a real good minister to perform the nuptials. Couples who participate could get a 10% discount card for Red Lobster or another gourmet restaurant so it would be worth their investment. Those are just two of many ideas that will bring in big bucks.
Filling Those Hotels

United States

#13 Aug 1, 2013
Mr Itchy Scabies wrote:
The people that stay in El Paso hotels are going to pay for the stadium up to 50 million dollars worth.
The additional 12 million and any other cost increase will be paid by Mountain Star Sports so the stadium will cost approximately 62 million dollars.
What beats me is that the stadium is going to have a vertical look to it and seat about 7 to 9 thousand fans,so then if the stadium is going to be expensive then why couldn't they have added more seats?
It you look at the renderings,the stadium could have added more seats, but right to the center of the stadium on two levels they have luxury sky boxes so then why couldn't they have added seats below those sky boxes making it a three level stadium with about 12 thousand seats instead? It would sure look much more nicer if they had planed the stadium right the first time. I could have designed that stadium myself and everyone would be proud,this stadium looks more like it's a stadium for the wealthy people only by the looks of it.
"The people that stay in El Paso hotels are going to pay for the stadium up to 50 million dollars worth."

Right!

El Paso Hotels probably won’t bring all that revenue that the City expects from its baseball team. Image and past history are important.
http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1988/Miss-USA-Pa...
After the assault on the actress in an El Paso hotel in 1988, the Miss USA Pageant was moved to Mobile Alabama for the 1989 Pageant.
If you are suspicious as to why the defendant, Pedro Padilla, was set free on $100 bond, and you suspect collusion, you, nor the State of Texas, are not alone. This case was not the first of many to raise the eyebrows of State Judicial officials. The prosecutor assigned to the case was reputedly a friend of the defendant:
Philly.com
Posted: March 05, 1988
“An El Paso, Texas, prosecutor and judge assigned to the Tracy Scoggins sexual-assault case have been suspended pending investigation. According to El Paso police, Municipal Judge Rodolfo Romero let Pedro Padilla go free on $100 bail after Padilla was arrested on suspicion of ripping Scoggins' dress off in a hotel elevator last week. And police said prosecutor Enrique Medrano, said to be a friend of Padilla's, posted his bail. Scoggins, who stars in the TV series The Colbys, raised a fuss, and Padilla was rearrested and his bail reset at $100,000. The actress has vowed to pursue the case with vigor.”
http://articles.philly.com/1988-03-05/news/26...

“Scoggins, on location in Los Angeles and unavailable for comment, had said she was assaulted by Pedro Concepcion Padilla, 36, in the elevator at the Marriott Hotel on Feb. 25, 1988, during the Miss USA pageant. Police reports indicate that he pulled down the front of her gown and tried to push her to the floor. Padilla used the name Antonio Garcia when first arrested in the case.
"I'm glad this is over," said Jose Montes, Padilla's attorney. "Miss Scoggins got what she wanted out of this, millions of dollars in publicity, while my client has been in jail and facing his family and friends…”
Scoggins later sued the Miss USA Pageant.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-3986859.html
As you can see, corruption in the El Paso justice system for which not a few have recently been sent to prison, or indicted, or are currently under investigation, is not new. Only in recent years has the cancerous corruption been aggressively addressed by the State and U.S. Justice Systems.
Elmer Dufus

United States

#14 Aug 1, 2013
I can hardly wait to get me one of those bleacher seats at the new El Paso baseball stadium! Just think of the historical significance! I'll be sitting at about the same place where those bullets came flying from across the river during a cartel gunfight that broke the windows of the old El Paso City Hall! I'll bet the El Paso mayor wishes he still had his office there.
Mr Itchy Scabies

El Paso, TX

#15 Aug 1, 2013
Mr Itchy Scabies wrote:
<quoted text>
Nothing has been decided yet but I have made several proposals as to what they could do. One surefire winner would be to have a stripper/dancer night from time to time. Every man in this town has been to a strip club but seeing half-nude, gyrating women in a giant ballpark on a big stage would be a real treat. The girls wouldn't have to worry about any pawing or groping of their parts since the patrons would be far enough away, so they can really let loose and give a great show. They won't have to be inhibited in the way they shake their moneymaker, for example. Another idea would be to have one of these mass wedding like they have in Korea. Hundred of couples would pay $600 each to have their wedding at the stadium and we'd get a real good minister to perform the nuptials. Couples who participate could get a 10% discount card for Red Lobster or another gourmet restaurant so it would be worth their investment. Those are just two of many ideas that will bring in big bucks.
You just have to ruin this thread by Hijacking my moniker name and posting like a childish uneducated idiot!
Mr Itchy Scabies

El Paso, TX

#16 Aug 1, 2013
Filling Those Hotels wrote:
<quoted text>
"The people that stay in El Paso hotels are going to pay for the stadium up to 50 million dollars worth."
Right!
El Paso Hotels probably won’t bring all that revenue that the City expects from its baseball team. Image and past history are important.
http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1988/Miss-USA-Pa...
After the assault on the actress in an El Paso hotel in 1988, the Miss USA Pageant was moved to Mobile Alabama for the 1989 Pageant.
If you are suspicious as to why the defendant, Pedro Padilla, was set free on $100 bond, and you suspect collusion, you, nor the State of Texas, are not alone. This case was not the first of many to raise the eyebrows of State Judicial officials. The prosecutor assigned to the case was reputedly a friend of the defendant:
Philly.com
Posted: March 05, 1988
“An El Paso, Texas, prosecutor and judge assigned to the Tracy Scoggins sexual-assault case have been suspended pending investigation. According to El Paso police, Municipal Judge Rodolfo Romero let Pedro Padilla go free on $100 bail after Padilla was arrested on suspicion of ripping Scoggins' dress off in a hotel elevator last week. And police said prosecutor Enrique Medrano, said to be a friend of Padilla's, posted his bail. Scoggins, who stars in the TV series The Colbys, raised a fuss, and Padilla was rearrested and his bail reset at $100,000. The actress has vowed to pursue the case with vigor.”
http://articles.philly.com/1988-03-05/news/26...
“Scoggins, on location in Los Angeles and unavailable for comment, had said she was assaulted by Pedro Concepcion Padilla, 36, in the elevator at the Marriott Hotel on Feb. 25, 1988, during the Miss USA pageant. Police reports indicate that he pulled down the front of her gown and tried to push her to the floor. Padilla used the name Antonio Garcia when first arrested in the case.
"I'm glad this is over," said Jose Montes, Padilla's attorney. "Miss Scoggins got what she wanted out of this, millions of dollars in publicity, while my client has been in jail and facing his family and friends…”
Scoggins later sued the Miss USA Pageant.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-3986859.html
As you can see, corruption in the El Paso justice system for which not a few have recently been sent to prison, or indicted, or are currently under investigation, is not new. Only in recent years has the cancerous corruption been aggressively addressed by the State and U.S. Justice Systems.
If you are going to dwell on memory lane as to what happen back in 1988 in an elevator from the Marriott Hotel, that is totally dumb and crazy.
How are people going to be afraid of one incident?
Those kinds of things happen everywhere and in every city and yet, incidents like those or even worst has never stop anyone from visiting Las Vegas or New York City,Paris or Rome.
Do you think that just because Judge Patrick Garcia took a bribe and let Billy Abraham off the hook from killing a man then letting him go free from not even serving a six month jail sentence will keep tourist away from coming to El Paso?
Think about it! but I give you credit for bringing up the subject about Corrupted El Paso Judges! they need to be exposed and brought to Justice, do you think that if Judge Montalvo would have presided
in the Billy Abraham case that Billy would have gotten off free?
there are hard Core Judges and their are Wimp Judges that take Bribes! go Figure.
Filling Those Hotels

United States

#17 Aug 1, 2013
"but I give you credit for bringing up the subject about Corrupted El Paso Judges! they need to be exposed and brought to Justice,"

Keep your credit.

You are no different from the mayor of that town that refused to quarantine the beach in that movie, "Jaws." Tourist money was more important than protecting the public from a killer shark.

The Scoggins case was not an isolated incident, just one of the most notorious due to the celebrity status Of Tracy Scoggins. That's the reason you can still find web sites about it on the Internet.

Go down to the EPPD any morning and check the police blotter for the night before. You'll probably see more assault cases than you can count, but if you are astute, you'll see that many of them were glossed over due to "prosecutorial discretion" of policemen. They follow the guidelines of prosecuting attorneys who are more interested in enhancing the image of a "crime free" city than in actually stopping crime.
Suckers galore

United States

#18 Aug 1, 2013
Well all your suckers, pay up.

Play ball!

NOW y'all want transparency?

Don't forget those emails!

The biggest part of the iceberg is still unseen,

Not ONE democrat can balance a budget!

And forget those numbers!

Just print more money or raise taxes and fees.

Pull that Dumb lever again.
dying sport

Pinehill, NM

#19 Aug 1, 2013
Elmer Dufus wrote:
I can hardly wait to get me one of those bleacher seats at the new El Paso baseball stadium! Just think of the historical significance! I'll be sitting at about the same place where those bullets came flying from across the river during a cartel gunfight that broke the windows of the old El Paso City Hall! I'll bet the El Paso mayor wishes he still had his office there.
no kidding, with the concentration of people in the stands, just ONE stray bullet could maim or even kill a dozen people. not to mention all those open areas in the fences that face Missouri and Santa Fe. every gang turf shoot-out on those streets will mean disaster for the fans. nobody's going to be safe. maybe sit near a column so you can take cover and survive. think people, think!
Mr Itchy Scabies

El Paso, TX

#20 Aug 1, 2013
Filling Those Hotels wrote:
"but I give you credit for bringing up the subject about Corrupted El Paso Judges! they need to be exposed and brought to Justice,"
Keep your credit.
You are no different from the mayor of that town that refused to quarantine the beach in that movie, "Jaws." Tourist money was more important than protecting the public from a killer shark.
The Scoggins case was not an isolated incident, just one of the most notorious due to the celebrity status Of Tracy Scoggins. That's the reason you can still find web sites about it on the Internet.
Go down to the EPPD any morning and check the police blotter for the night before. You'll probably see more assault cases than you can count, but if you are astute, you'll see that many of them were glossed over due to "prosecutorial discretion" of policemen. They follow the guidelines of prosecuting attorneys who are more interested in enhancing the image of a "crime free" city than in actually stopping crime.
You are way to outdated and by comparing me to a fictional mayor from a movie about a Shark terrorizing a beach resort is relative
pathetic.
I'll gladly discredit you forever because we don't have any sharks in El Paso so we will gladly take the hotel guest money for the accommodations provided for.
You are blabbing about something that happen a long time ago,way before the Internet,maybe that is why you can't find much research about the incident because it's old news even though they still exist in the archives.
Besides we are talking about the baseball stadium not about what happen long long ago during the Jurassic period of El Paso.

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