Doc: Minnesota boy resisting chemo wi...

Doc: Minnesota boy resisting chemo will likely die

There are 357 comments on the TwinCities.com story from May 8, 2009, titled Doc: Minnesota boy resisting chemo will likely die. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

A 13-year-old boy resisting chemotherapy for cancer will likely die without the treatment, his doctor testified today.

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“We're all connected”

Since: Feb 08

St Paul, MN

#349 May 21, 2009
CSI wrote:
Here we have the purple for survivors and white tee shirts for the caregivers. I can wear both hats and caps. Relay For Life is awesome, isn't it? I am so proud that our county is doing the first one this June but I have been to others. I went to four events in the last two weeks. We do the luminaria too and yes we had balloons. This year the theme is celebrating birthdays. Our Honorary Chairman is eleven years old. Same diagnosis as Daniel. She has had treatment, went home last week sick because of the heat but she does not give up.
I signed up on the Relay for Life's birthday website just a couple of weeks ago! I'm connected to a few different cancer-related websites so when I saw the link in my email, I didn't think much about it. But after I clicked on it and read it, it really impacted me.

Maybe I'm not the only one who actually relishes in getting older. I'm 31, and have had 3 birthdays since being diagnosed. I'm having 2nd anniversaries of having hair again, and finished all types of chemo a year ago in March.

I celebrate anything and everything. Everything is meaningful.

Thanks for all you do with relay for life, caregiving, etc. My treatment options expanded, and my odds increased recently due to funding and research and I'll never stop being grateful.
Bernadette

Norfolk, VA

#350 May 22, 2009
I don't understand how a mother can kidnap her own son..and I don't think a court should interfere with the decisions of a parent that hasn't been declared negligent. And I have to wonder at the rise of this case at this time. It is like a test run for something akin to that Idaho thing. It always seems under democrats that there is someone separating out of a legal injunction or order and then this fury is caused that results in some tragedy. Just my two cents, but I would say this is a prelude to some thing we should watch out for. Why is it only under dems this seems to happen? I mean there are so many cancer treatments, why force ..force...the parents to do what is against their will unless maybe you are trying to agitate a 'right wing' to act in a manner you can use to point fingers at for some reason. Just my thoughts...how little they may be....
Bernadette

Norfolk, VA

#351 May 22, 2009
I mean...you don't care that in the industry of foster care kids are abused daily and money is doled out to abusers who 'watch' 10 or so kids with no oversight. Children are lost, literally. Abuse is rampant. Yet no outcry. And you allow porn on the internet which parents have to filter out and the tv is the same. Yet no outcry except you say it is your right to have this abuse available.
I just wonder that you pick a mother, grief stricken and with values to do this to. No judge is going after the pornographers on the web or tv...but a mother. And making her a target. Using law enforcement against her, because of a judge's decision to force...force..her to get treatment of ONE particular variety for her son when many different types are available. I just wonder, that is all. Just wonder.
Bernadette

Norfolk, VA

#352 May 22, 2009
And one final note....maybe I drank too much coffee this morning...I know that people, women, like to say abortion is 'their right' but, it seems that 'abuse' is found is so many off the wall places now that I have to wonder whether they transfer their 'grief' onto other situations. I mean, a 13 year old is able to get an abortion without parental oversight, yet this situation generates such an outcry against the mother and son. I believe that in abortion, women are the second victims. And that no mother persuaded to act against her own best interest is exercising 'freedom of choice'. Forced submission, even by deceptive persuasion, has other names...brainwashing for one. So, in this society that demonizes the grief a mother who has had an abortion might feel, I think we see grief and powerlessness displaced onto situations like this sad one. Like if they can 'rescue' this child, the hands they will never hold, the smiles they will never see, will somehow become more distant and their pain lessened. Fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters and all family and friends are victims in this tragic 'choice' and maybe make decisions that reflect this sadness of heart.
american_lady

Carlisle, PA

#353 May 22, 2009
Bernadette wrote:
I mean...you don't care that in the industry of foster care kids are abused daily and money is doled out to abusers who 'watch' 10 or so kids with no oversight. Children are lost, literally. Abuse is rampant. Yet no outcry. And you allow porn on the internet which parents have to filter out and the tv is the same. Yet no outcry except you say it is your right to have this abuse available.
I just wonder that you pick a mother, grief stricken and with values to do this to. No judge is going after the pornographers on the web or tv...but a mother. And making her a target. Using law enforcement against her, because of a judge's decision to force...force..her to get treatment of ONE particular variety for her son when many different types are available. I just wonder, that is all. Just wonder.
I have to agree with you. what about the people in this country who do want treatment and can't afford it. what's the goverment doing about that? I personally don't believe in poisoning anyone with chemo. With regaurds to abortion my feelings are if the government says it's ok to murder your own child for your own selfish reason's what's the difference if they kid is murdered after it's born? Murder is murder. What can I say but the end of the world is near. SOon well all be salves in the new one world order. Look at europe. As of 2001 they now have the "euro" dollar. No more German money, italian money it's all the same. And so it will be with our money soon as well. All tied together as one. New world order baby! It's coming.
It is me

Tempe, AZ

#354 May 22, 2009
kimbev69 wrote:
where does it end, there is a young girl that had diabetes and her parents refused to let her be treated and she died..of course..from a very treatable form of diabetes..so should that be ok..another boy that was adopted out to a family of jehovah's witness came down with this same cancer that this boy has and he also is dead..his biological parents went to court to try to have him treated to no avail..it was to late..he died.
If a parent is so observant of not having treatment for their sick child, the court should take away their eye glasses that they need to read and drive,because that is a medical treatment. They should get heavy fines when they take an aspirin and they should never be allowed to receive medical treatment for their gout or broken bones. The test for how devout a parent is to their faith should be how literally they fail to treat themselves for even minor illnesses. This is not about choosing to home school a kid or denying them access to a computer. This is about life or death.

The dad does not seem to agree with the mom. This could really be as simple as a custody battle where the mom may have use religion as the excuse, and brainwashed the kid into allowing himself to die in order to hurt the dad.
lady

Albuquerque, NM

#355 May 22, 2009
How many people with cancer is this story making sick more so the ones who have been fighting this for years. How Sad.
CSI

Crewe, VA

#356 May 22, 2009
We all have the basic right to decide, at least in Virginia there are patients rights. But if this were my child and he is not, I would get the chemotherapy for him. However there are no absolutes so we as survivors of deadly cancers can only hope and pray for those without insurance. And we can only try to raise funds for research and other things through Relay For Life.
CestMoi

Richardson, TX

#357 May 22, 2009
What it comes down to is personal choice. The parents know the child, and if they feel it is important to respect his wishes and ensure that they are supported and met, that is his right and theirs. If they feel that the decision they make is in his best interest as his parents, it is their choice. That is why they are his parents.
Every situation is individual, and every choice is individual, and it should be made by the people who have to live it, not a bunch of strangers who wish to impose their thoughts and values and wishes upon others who would then have to live with and possibly suffer the consequences of a decision made by a bunch of unaffected strangers.
I would never tell any other person what or how much they should suffer, and I would respect their choice on risk vs. outcome - because it is their choice to make, and not anyone else's business.
pinina

West Palm Beach, FL

#358 May 22, 2009
I have breast cancer now and searching for alternative treatments can happen. Cancer doesn't kill people as much as chemo does. Is poison being injected into your body. I had 3 chemos and they almost kill me, I am doing an alternative treatment and I am doing very well. Good for the parents!!!!

“We're all connected”

Since: Feb 08

St Paul, MN

#359 May 22, 2009
pinina wrote:
I have breast cancer now and searching for alternative treatments can happen. Cancer doesn't kill people as much as chemo does. Is poison being injected into your body. I had 3 chemos and they almost kill me, I am doing an alternative treatment and I am doing very well. Good for the parents!!!!
I hope you do well with your cancer. But it's simply not true (or at least no one can provide ANY evidence, and many have said what you have) that chemo kills more people than cancer does.

These are the reasons that some people die after being diagnosed with cancer:

* the patient has a tough cancer to beat, like lung cancer, pancreatic cancer, or multiple myeloma (a type of blood cancer
* the patient is very young or older
* the patient has other illnesses and/or diseases
* the patient's cancer was diagnosed late

Those 4 traits may also be reason to NOT consider chemotherapy, and the patient as well as the doctor may consider alternative treatments, or clinical trials.
Hardhead

Matteson, IL

#360 May 23, 2009
Bernadette wrote:
It always seems under democrats that there is someone separating out of a legal injunction or order and then this fury is caused that results in some tragedy. Just my two cents, but I would say this is a prelude to some thing we should watch out for. Why is it only under dems this seems to happen?
Another idiot heard from. You may want to look up "Terry Schaivo" a case where a bunch of right wing nuts including Fred Thompson stuck their holier than thou beaks into a medical decision. You may not remember it, it happened all of four years ago and I realise that you have a very short attention span.
TakeOurCountryBa ck

Newington, CT

#361 May 27, 2009
Hardhead wrote:
He is a minor, although it is the parent's choice, it is not without hazard. If the child dies because the parents refuse medical treatment they should be tried for homicide. There is a reason they call it alternative medicine, it is an alternative to medicine. And usually doesn't work.
Will the Dr's be held responsible if he's forced to undergo treatment and he dies?. Answer NO!

An Excerpt from an article written by Mike Adams of newstarget .com

medical doctors have told the courts that unless Daniel is subjected to toxic chemotherapy treatments, he has a 95% chance of dying.
That statistic is an outright lie. It is one of the many deceptive statistics put forth by the cancer industry in order to scare patients into submitting to extremely toxic protocols that cause far more harm than good. How many Cancer patients have ever been cured by chemotherapy? The answer is Zero. There is not a single cancer patient that has ever been cured by chemotherapy. They don't exist. Not a single documented case in the history of western medicine, Because conventional medicine operates from the false belief that there is no cure for cancer! Thus, anyone offering a cure (or assisting in the body's own natural reversal of the disease) is immediately dismissed as a quack. Meanwhile, the real quackery is found in the pushing of toxic chemotherapy chemicals that are injected into the bodies of patients and called "treatment" when they should really be called "torture." Can you imagine the arrogance of our so called medical experts? Of all the hundreds of different systems of medicine in our world, with tens of thousands of identified medicinal plant species growing on our planet, with the knowledge and wisdom of over 5,000 years of natural medicine being used across nearly every continent, modern doctors insist there is but one approach to cancer that has any value whatsoever: Chemotherapy. And they believe it so strongly, that they will argue for the arrest and imprisonment of parents who disagree with them.
It is especially educational to realize that most oncologists refuse to submit to chemotherapy themselves. When cancer doctors get cancer, they avoid chemotherapy as any sensible person would. But they have no hesitation about injecting the poisons into the bodies of other people, including innocent 13-year-old boys who will almost certainly be harmed or even killed by the treatment.

“Let's Marginalize The State”

Since: Apr 09

My Hometown

#362 May 27, 2009
TakeOurCountryBack wrote:
<quoted text>
Will the Dr's be held responsible if he's forced to undergo treatment and he dies?. Answer NO!
An Excerpt from an article written by Mike Adams of newstarget .com
medical doctors have told the courts that unless Daniel is subjected to toxic chemotherapy treatments, he has a 95% chance of dying.
That statistic is an outright lie. It is one of the many deceptive statistics put forth by the cancer industry in order to scare patients into submitting to extremely toxic protocols that cause far more harm than good. How many Cancer patients have ever been cured by chemotherapy? The answer is Zero. There is not a single cancer patient that has ever been cured by chemotherapy. They don't exist. Not a single documented case in the history of western medicine, Because conventional medicine operates from the false belief that there is no cure for cancer! Thus, anyone offering a cure (or assisting in the body's own natural reversal of the disease) is immediately dismissed as a quack. Meanwhile, the real quackery is found in the pushing of toxic chemotherapy chemicals that are injected into the bodies of patients and called "treatment" when they should really be called "torture." Can you imagine the arrogance of our so called medical experts? Of all the hundreds of different systems of medicine in our world, with tens of thousands of identified medicinal plant species growing on our planet, with the knowledge and wisdom of over 5,000 years of natural medicine being used across nearly every continent, modern doctors insist there is but one approach to cancer that has any value whatsoever: Chemotherapy. And they believe it so strongly, that they will argue for the arrest and imprisonment of parents who disagree with them.
It is especially educational to realize that most oncologists refuse to submit to chemotherapy themselves. When cancer doctors get cancer, they avoid chemotherapy as any sensible person would. But they have no hesitation about injecting the poisons into the bodies of other people, including innocent 13-year-old boys who will almost certainly be harmed or even killed by the treatment.
Wonderful article. Thank you for sharing it.
Hardhead

Matteson, IL

#363 May 27, 2009
TakeOurCountryBack wrote:
<quoted text>
Will the Dr's be held responsible if he's forced to undergo treatment and he dies?. Answer NO!
An Excerpt from an article written by Mike Adams of newstarget .com
medical doctors have told the courts that unless Daniel is subjected to toxic chemotherapy treatments, he has a 95% chance of dying.
That statistic is an outright lie. It is one of the many deceptive statistics put forth by the cancer industry in order to scare patients into submitting to extremely toxic protocols that cause far more harm than good. How many Cancer patients have ever been cured by chemotherapy? The answer is Zero. There is not a single cancer patient that has ever been cured by chemotherapy. They don't exist. Not a single documented case in the history of western medicine, Because conventional medicine operates from the false belief that there is no cure for cancer! Thus, anyone offering a cure (or assisting in the body's own natural reversal of the disease) is immediately dismissed as a quack. Meanwhile, the real quackery is found in the pushing of toxic chemotherapy chemicals that are injected into the bodies of patients and called "treatment" when they should really be called "torture." Can you imagine the arrogance of our so called medical experts? Of all the hundreds of different systems of medicine in our world, with tens of thousands of identified medicinal plant species growing on our planet, with the knowledge and wisdom of over 5,000 years of natural medicine being used across nearly every continent, modern doctors insist there is but one approach to cancer that has any value whatsoever: Chemotherapy. And they believe it so strongly, that they will argue for the arrest and imprisonment of parents who disagree with them.
It is especially educational to realize that most oncologists refuse to submit to chemotherapy themselves. When cancer doctors get cancer, they avoid chemotherapy as any sensible person would. But they have no hesitation about injecting the poisons into the bodies of other people, including innocent 13-year-old boys who will almost certainly be harmed or even killed by the treatment.
There is a reason it is called alternative medicine, it isn't medicine, it is just another form of faith healing, or outright quackery like homeopathy. Mike should have been aware that death rates from most forms of cancer have fallen precipitously since the end of WWII when chemotherapy and radiation therapy came into use, but then he would have to be looking at science instead of woo woo healing. Next time he gets a headache he should rub chicken guts on his forehead, he wouldn't want to use that nasty old medicine.

“Let's Marginalize The State”

Since: Apr 09

My Hometown

#364 May 28, 2009
Hardhead wrote:
<quoted text>There is a reason it is called alternative medicine, it isn't medicine, it is just another form of faith healing, or outright quackery like homeopathy. Mike should have been aware that death rates from most forms of cancer have fallen precipitously since the end of WWII when chemotherapy and radiation therapy came into use, but then he would have to be looking at science instead of woo woo healing. Next time he gets a headache he should rub chicken guts on his forehead, he wouldn't want to use that nasty old medicine.
Or could it be that the reason alternative medicine is really maligned is not because it doesn't work sometimes, but perhaps because it is not quite as lucrative as "accepted" medicine. Follow the money trail and it usually always leads to a profit machine with a vested interest in keeping all other ideas (some good, some bad) out of the race. And of course a government which is more than happy to keep alternative medicines (ideas) marginalized or better yet exterminated in the name of the public good of course.
Hardhead

Matteson, IL

#365 May 28, 2009
Consent Withdrawn wrote:
<quoted text>
Or could it be that the reason alternative medicine is really maligned is not because it doesn't work sometimes, but perhaps because it is not quite as lucrative as "accepted" medicine. Follow the money trail and it usually always leads to a profit machine with a vested interest in keeping all other ideas (some good, some bad) out of the race. And of course a government which is more than happy to keep alternative medicines (ideas) marginalized or better yet exterminated in the name of the public good of course.
The problem with alternative medicine is that some people use it instead of medicine, like the woman in Wisconsin who prayed over her daughter who was dying in agony instead of taking her to the emergency room where they could have treated her diabetes and saved her. It isn't that medicine has a lock on a money trail, look at the televangelists who will pray away your illness,(for a "donation" of course) or the homeopathic medicine providers that will happily give you a "magical" bottle of water, 8 ounces for only $40. I look at what can be demonstrated to work, not wishful thinking.

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