Young Leaders Cast a Wider Net for Immigration Reform

Dec 2, 2012 Full story: FiveThirtyEight 25

After a boisterous three-day congress here, more than 600 leaders of a national movement of young immigrants living in the country without legal papers voted to expand beyond their past demands for citizenship for young people, and to mobilize in support of a bill to legalize 11 million illegal immigrants in the United States.

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juscivilis

Brooklyn, NY

#1 Dec 2, 2012
we need inmigration reforms and we are not just hispanic her in the usa people around the word china poland russian italy illigal not just hispanic comunity.
daniel

Houston, TX

#3 Dec 2, 2012
I ve being here for 20 years I have a wife she is american 4 kidds all american paidall my taxes never being in trouble with the law ecept when I was deported 19 years ago but I have that agains me I can't guet my permanent residenti. Hopefully soon we will. All get our papers.! Love you america!
WCAmer

San Diego, CA

#4 Dec 2, 2012
daniel wrote:
I ve being here for 20 years I have a wife she is american 4 kidds all american paidall my taxes never being in trouble with the law ecept when I was deported 19 years ago but I have that agains me I can't guet my permanent residenti. Hopefully soon we will. All get our papers.! Love you america!
Yours is a sad one and I am sorry for the way that you feel; however, one of the reasons that it is taking so long for you to get your permanant documents is because of illegal immigration and the fact that, on purpose, our country has been overflooded by illegal aliens with the sole purpose of overloading the system and then demanding to stay.

Illegal aliens come from many different countries, true; but statistics have already proven that (due almost entirely to location) the majority of illegal aliens come from or through Mexico.

Really, we should initiate the same immigration laws as Mexico??
allornothing

Brea, CA

#5 Dec 2, 2012
Exactly!,That's what I'm talking about!

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#6 Dec 3, 2012
Just like that, huh? They demand and we are supposed to acquiesce...what incredbile chutzpah. Would your homeland be so solicitious to its illegals?
Magadala

Vashon, WA

#7 Dec 3, 2012
“For parents, there is no sacrifice so large that we won’t make it for our children,” Mr. Zorrilla said.

Sooo let me get this right? You sacrificed to come here, you sacrificed to send you children to school for free, you sacrificed to steal our identities and committed fraud, you sacrificed to get free healh care, and on and on...

They actually feel that since they got here, we are suppose to not only feed and care, we give citizenship for them and their parents who started it all. Pass it, what ever it is, I need to check out of reality for a while!

They also believe that our political system is like a gum ball machine, you put your vote in, a favor comes out. Blacks waited 100 years from the Emancipation to civil rights laws. mexicans want it before he is sworn in for the second term...otherwise, we are all racist/bigots!
Magadala

Vashon, WA

#8 Dec 3, 2012
juscivilis wrote:
we need inmigration reforms and we are not just hispanic her in the usa people around the word china poland russian italy illigal not just hispanic comunity.
I don't care who is in the mix, America does not need immigration reform!!! We need immigration enforcement!!! The only reason people are asking for reform is because it doesn't work as fast, or the way they want it to, too bad, citizenship in America is worth more than a piece of paper.

We owe you nothing! You came over without permission. You knew it would be riskly...well HELLO! Take responsibility for your stupid actions!!! What did you expect, for us to embrace you for your efforts? LOL
Magadala

Vashon, WA

#9 Dec 3, 2012
daniel wrote:
I ve being here for 20 years I have a wife she is american 4 kidds all american paidall my taxes never being in trouble with the law ecept when I was deported 19 years ago but I have that agains me I can't guet my permanent residenti. Hopefully soon we will. All get our papers.! Love you america!
Sorry, thanks for your honesty, but we owe you nothing!!! You think that because you squatted got married and had children is a way to "anchor" yourself here! Countries don't work that way! Why did you irresponsibily have children knowing that at any moment you could be deported? Oh yeah, I get it, you would then pled to the judge that you have your children to support, etc. I would love America too, were I you, you have gotten a free pass.

Oh, as an aside, between the two of us, since you are here illegally, I am sure you did not use forged documents or steal anyone's identity to get the job that required you to pay taxes, right?!!! Or are you so upstanding that you immediately paid taxes from the cash you made under the table? Or are you one you has consistently filed for Child Tax Credit to get a refund? As you said, you have never gotten into trouble, explain how you avoided this!

No consequences for you actions? I would LOVE America, were I you, too!!! I am sure your living corruptly has rubbed off on your children...never accepting the consequences for their actions!

Always remember, we owe you nothing!!!!
Magadala

Vashon, WA

#10 Dec 3, 2012
WCAmer wrote:
<quoted text>
Yours is a sad one and I am sorry for the way that you feel; however, one of the reasons that it is taking so long for you to get your permanant documents is because of illegal immigration and the fact that, on purpose, our country has been overflooded by illegal aliens with the sole purpose of overloading the system and then demanding to stay.
Illegal aliens come from many different countries, true; but statistics have already proven that (due almost entirely to location) the majority of illegal aliens come from or through Mexico.
Really, we should initiate the same immigration laws as Mexico??
BINGO!!!
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#11 Dec 3, 2012
daniel wrote:
I ve being here for 20 years I have a wife she is american 4 kidds all american paidall my taxes never being in trouble with the law ecept when I was deported 19 years ago but I have that agains me I can't guet my permanent residenti. Hopefully soon we will. All get our papers.! Love you america!
You have been breaking multiple laws every day for 20 years yet you say "paid all my taxes never being in trouble with the law ". The truth is you have just never been caught breaking the law. Even if you paid some taxes the money you paid taxes on and with was earned illegally using false/stolen I.D. You are a serial criminal and should be jailed and eventually deported. Your wife should also be prosecuted for aiding and abetting an illegal alien and conspiracy. You have already been granted amnesty like all illegal aliens because you will never face prosecution for all the laws you have broken. The only thing that could possibly happen to you for living a life of theft, fraud and deception for twenty years would be deportation no punishment.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#12 Dec 3, 2012
WCAmer wrote:
<quoted text>
Yours is a sad one and I am sorry for the way that you feel; however, one of the reasons that it is taking so long for you to get your permanant documents is because of illegal immigration and the fact that, on purpose, our country has been overflooded by illegal aliens with the sole purpose of overloading the system and then demanding to stay.
Illegal aliens come from many different countries, true; but statistics have already proven that (due almost entirely to location) the majority of illegal aliens come from or through Mexico.
Really, we should initiate the same immigration laws as Mexico??
I think you have the cart before the horse here. There is a huge backlog at every immigration office and dysfunction at every level. There is no rhyme of reason to it. For example if somebody applies for a visa in the Philippines it takes on average 18-26 years to be processed. Similarly, like it or not, millions of Mexicans are offered jobs in the US, yet the USCIS provides for only 2500 work visas a year for Mexicans.

This is what has lead to the illegal immigration problem. If anything illegal immigration may have reduced the backlog at USCIS offices.

As everybody knows, prior to the 1920's there were no immigration laws in place in the US. People simply got on a boat and arrived here unannounced. We even had welcome and processing centers such as Ellis Island.

It has been said that if previous generations of immigrants had to jump through the same hoops as today's immigrants then 95% of them would not have come here.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#13 Dec 3, 2012
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>
I think you have the cart before the horse here. There is a huge backlog at every immigration office and dysfunction at every level. There is no rhyme of reason to it. For example if somebody applies for a visa in the Philippines it takes on average 18-26 years to be processed. Similarly, like it or not, millions of Mexicans are offered jobs in the US, yet the USCIS provides for only 2500 work visas a year for Mexicans.
This is what has lead to the illegal immigration problem. If anything illegal immigration may have reduced the backlog at USCIS offices.
As everybody knows, prior to the 1920's there were no immigration laws in place in the US. People simply got on a boat and arrived here unannounced. We even had welcome and processing centers such as Ellis Island.
It has been said that if previous generations of immigrants had to jump through the same hoops as today's immigrants then 95% of them would not have come here.
the wait needs to be longer until they are able to fully know every step an person trying to come here has made since learning to walk that way if any has so much as talked to or been around terrorists or have a relative who is. rubber stamp needs to stop.

and with unemployment so high all immigration needs to stop completely until there is a proven need for workers agaon after a full investigation to may sure there is not one citizen for that job. as it stands many legal immigrants end up on welfare and there is no reason to import more free loaders or poverty.

Since: Apr 10

Houston, TX

#14 Dec 3, 2012
daniel wrote:
I ve being here for 20 years I have a wife she is american 4 kidds all american paidall my taxes never being in trouble with the law ecept when I was deported 19 years ago but I have that agains me I can't guet my permanent residenti. Hopefully soon we will. All get our papers.! Love you america!
First you're here illegally, if you work that's another law you are breaking. I bet you drive too? Plus if you were deported you are a felon and will never get any chance at any amnesty/citizenship. But you will get prison time before being deported, again.

Since: Apr 10

Houston, TX

#15 Dec 3, 2012
“For parents, there is no sacrifice so large that we won’t make it for our children,” Mr. Zorrilla said."

Except reform the Mexican government so they don't have to flee.

Since: Apr 10

Houston, TX

#16 Dec 3, 2012
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>
I think you have the cart before the horse here. There is a huge backlog at every immigration office and dysfunction at every level. There is no rhyme of reason to it. For example if somebody applies for a visa in the Philippines it takes on average 18-26 years to be processed. Similarly, like it or not, millions of Mexicans are offered jobs in the US, yet the USCIS provides for only 2500 work visas a year for Mexicans.
This is what has lead to the illegal immigration problem. If anything illegal immigration may have reduced the backlog at USCIS offices.
As everybody knows, prior to the 1920's there were no immigration laws in place in the US. People simply got on a boat and arrived here unannounced. We even had welcome and processing centers such as Ellis Island.
It has been said that if previous generations of immigrants had to jump through the same hoops as today's immigrants then 95% of them would not have come here.
There were alot of people turned back too. It was never as easy as walking over the border.

It's not a human right to come to America no matter how many people think it is.
allornothingisri ght

Knoxville, TN

#17 Dec 4, 2012
You already lost ...just go away
Magadala wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't care who is in the mix, America does not need immigration reform!!! We need immigration enforcement!!! The only reason people are asking for reform is because it doesn't work as fast, or the way they want it to, too bad, citizenship in America is worth more than a piece of paper.
We owe you nothing! You came over without permission. You knew it would be riskly...well HELLO! Take responsibility for your stupid actions!!! What did you expect, for us to embrace you for your efforts? LOL
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#18 Dec 4, 2012
spytheweb wrote:
<quoted text>
There were alot of people turned back too. It was never as easy as walking over the border.
It's not a human right to come to America no matter how many people think it is.
Absolutely. Well over 1% of people were turned back. Some estimates are even closer to 2%.

Of course it was easier then walking over the border. One group spent two hours sitting in a welcome center and the other group walked across a desert.
Magadala

Gig Harbor, WA

#19 Dec 4, 2012
allornothingisright wrote:
You already lost ...just go away
<quoted text>
Come again?!!! Lost what?!!! Go away where, I BELONG here!!! How about you?

Instead of your peasant tired out non English speaking mama talking about sacrificing everything for their children, why don't they first take the time to thank America!!! Never seem to get around to that, huh, ingrate?!!!

Ever heard of backlash...you will soon!

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#20 Dec 5, 2012
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolutely. Well over 1% of people were turned back. Some estimates are even closer to 2%.
Of course it was easier then walking over the border. One group spent two hours sitting in a welcome center and the other group walked across a desert.
If any were turned back, that was because the ship's doctors may have missed the malady. The United States government made the ship companies responsible for returning any unhealthy people back to their homelands, the ship companies had a doctors check passengers before they boarded. Hmm, imagine that. Who checks the people sneaking in? Have they even had any innoculations...EVER??? Further, their trip to this country took about forty days, but 40 days, but it could take as long as six months. So, it would seem that these folks were doubly checked...can't say the same for the illegals, now can we? Do you honestly think spending all that time in steerage was easy??? Besides which, they were facing the chance of treacherous storms, while some also became seriously ill and died.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#21 Dec 5, 2012
s/b :took about forty days, but it could take...

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