Police kill armed 14-year-old boy on NYC street

Aug 4, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: WHAS11

A rookie police officer shot and killed a 14-year-old boy on a street early Sunday after he refused to drop his gun and pointed it at them, authorities said.

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Aug 4, 2013
 
The right rev Al and his highness the rev Jessie will sure check in to this.If the officer was white then it is the officers fault and it was murder.However ,if he was black it will be different.

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Aug 4, 2013
 
Like I read somewhere, if you can't take a slug,don't act like a thug.The Bronx is a violent area to live in,and that someone gave a gun to a 14 yo is tragic,but he sealed his fate when he aimed his gun at a police officer.Shaaliver.... Yep,he was a black kid lost to the streets,who already had a rap sheet.Moral of this story: don't EVER aim a gun at a cop,unless you want to end up in a bodybag,and that's real talk.
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Aug 6, 2013
 
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He didn't understand. He thought it was a video game. He thought he had 4 more lives.
The minimum penalty for leaving a gun where a kid can get it, or making it easy for a kid to steal, should be at least 10 years in prison for the gun owner. Gun owners are basically murderers when they let kids steal their guns. Future guns should be designed to mark their bullets, to make a positive ID of the gun from the bullet. The owner of any gun used in a crime should automatically be arrested, and should have the burden of proof that he didn't intend the gun to be used in the crime, and that he took due precautions to try to prevent the gun from being stolen.
I can see charging someone who provides a firearm to a child knowing they intend to commit a crime, or perhaps even if you have children and don't secure it properly, but going beyond that is tantamount to shifting blame from the child criminal to an innocent firearms owner. To be specific, if I, who has no children and leaves a loaded handgun under my bed 24/7, become a burglary victim and the gun is stolen and then used in a crime, its ludicrous to then charge me with an offense. Put the blame where it belongs.
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Aug 6, 2013
 
Oh, and putting the burden of proof on anyone who is charged with a criminal offense completely changes our system of due process.....never going to happen.

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Aug 6, 2013
 
just curious wrote:
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I can see charging someone who provides a firearm to a child knowing they intend to commit a crime, or perhaps even if you have children and don't secure it properly, but going beyond that is tantamount to shifting blame from the child criminal to an innocent firearms owner. To be specific, if I, who has no children and leaves a loaded handgun under my bed 24/7, become a burglary victim and the gun is stolen and then used in a crime, its ludicrous to then charge me with an offense. Put the blame where it belongs.
I agree.They said most likely this gun was stolen and transported across state lines, or maybe just from around there.Unfortunately, this happens far too often,and this is what happens. That anyone would give a 14yo a gun is tragic within itself,but this type of thing happens far too often.The Bronx is a killing field and has been for a long time,and too often kids look up to gangbangers like these and become one when they get older.Smh..the police are hated for doing this by the gangbangers,but thugs are idolized..

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Aug 6, 2013
 
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The burden of proof is to prove that the owner allowed the gun to be stolen. The fact that it was stolen proves that. Once that's proven, the burden goes to the owner to prove he had a valid excuse. It's like asking a proven murderer to prove he had a valid excuse for his crime.
Gun owners are the root cause of gun violence in our society. They carry their guns around when drunk, and leave them lying carelessly around when asleep or absent. It's like a surgeon doing heart surgery drunk, except that the surgeon was trying to save a life by doing the heart surgery, not just be a slob at a party or something, like the gun owner.
Guns are not fireworks. Gun owners need to go to prison till they learn to take their responsibilities seriously.
Until then, we will continue to have violent cities where life expectancies are shortened by the threat of careless gun owners everywhere letting kids steal their guns and use them like video game characters.
Gun owners need to go to prison,what for? No,thugs and gangbangers like Shaaliver do,not law abiding gun owners who have them for protection or hunting.Criminals who steal gun from law abiding licensed gin owners are the root of the problem in our society..you are putting blame on someone who had nothing to do with this 14 yo getting this gun .
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Aug 6, 2013
 
Wrong wrote:
The burden of proof is to prove that the owner allowed the gun to be stolen. The fact that it was stolen proves that. Once that's proven, the burden goes to the owner to prove he had a valid excuse. It's like asking a proven murderer to prove he had a valid excuse for his crime.
Gun owners are the root cause of gun violence in our society. They carry their guns around when drunk, and leave them lying carelessly around when asleep or absent. It's like a surgeon doing heart surgery drunk, except that the surgeon was trying to save a life by doing the heart surgery, not just be a slob at a party or something, like the gun owner.
Guns are not fireworks. Gun owners need to go to prison till they learn to take their responsibilities seriously.
Until then, we will continue to have violent cities where life expectancies are shortened by the threat of careless gun owners everywhere letting kids steal their guns and use them like video game characters.
Sincerely this must be one of the least intelligent, left wing comments that I have ever read. Only a moron would choose to place blame upon law abiding citizens for the crimes committed by criminals. Blame everyone other than the guilty. You have obviously never been a victim. Because of that school of thought there will continue to be many victims. You would do well in a socialist country. And if your current president has his way, you will have one. Pathetic. I would hate to imagine that any good person would ever suffer injury in an attempt to protect you. That would be a crime.
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Aug 6, 2013
 
Damn. Really. My father was a LEO. A good cop. A caring compassionate person. I, on the other hand, do not suffer from the same attributes. Whereas I am a good person and law abiding, I'm certainly no one's hero. Why? Because for the most part, people suck and aren't worth my effort. I appreciate first responders, but considering the degradation of this nation and the inhabitants, I have a difficult time understanding why they choose to do what they do. Liberals will never cease their attempt to destroy this nation and that really does bother me for those that do care. Enjoy that koolaid.
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If you put a gun under your bed and fail to arm your burglar alarm, or leave the gun there when you're not there, how is that different than taking your gun outside on July 4 and shooting it in the air to celebrate? If the bullets fall and kill someone, are you going to argue that you had no criminal intent, just like leaving the gun under your bed for a burglar?
First, you are a nut job if you truly believe all gun owners are the root of the gun problem. Second, the difference in the scenario you pose above is that shooting my gun in the air is an action that I actively initiate thereby causing the tragic consequence. However, my gun lying safely in my bedroom causes no harm UNLESS someone else commits a criminal act and removes it from there. So you are saying I should be held responsible for the criminal actions of others....which is ludicrous.
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Aug 6, 2013
 
Wrong wrote:
The burden of proof is to prove that the owner allowed the gun to be stolen. The fact that it was stolen proves that. Once that's proven, the burden goes to the owner to prove he had a valid excuse. It's like asking a proven murderer to prove he had a valid excuse for his crime.
This post really makes no sense at all. First, a gun owner doesn't allow a gun to be stolen. If its stolen, then by definition it was taken without his consent. Therefore there is no need for a valid excuse....whatever the he&@ that is...lol. Finally, come on....really? A valid excuse for a murderer? Lay of the whacky tobacky....then come back and post something even a little intelligent.

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just curious wrote:
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This post really makes no sense at all. First, a gun owner doesn't allow a gun to be stolen. If its stolen, then by definition it was taken without his consent. Therefore there is no need for a valid excuse....whatever the he&@ that is...lol. Finally, come on....really? A valid excuse for a murderer? Lay of the whacky tobacky....then come back and post something even a little intelligent.
Exactly! Just like they cant lay blame on the criminal who stole the gun that ultimately ended up in Shaaliver's hands,where he ended up being killed by a cop.

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Aug 6, 2013
 
Typo....meant to type 'cant lay blame on the gun owner whos gun was stolen by a criminal'....:).
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By making it easy for a burglar to steal your gun, which is then used in a murder committed by a child, you are a depraved criminal who deserves prison. If you put a gun under your bed and fail to arm your burglar alarm, or leave the gun there when you're not there, how is that different than taking your gun outside on July 4 and shooting it in the air to celebrate? If the bullets fall and kill someone, are you going to argue that you had no criminal intent, just like leaving the gun under your bed for a burglar?
If your car is stolen because you left it running while you got a paper out of a vending machine,then you are responsible if the thug runs over someone making his getaway.Dumb,dumb.
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just curious wrote:
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First, you are a nut job if you truly believe all gun owners are the root of the gun problem. Second, the difference in the scenario you pose above is that shooting my gun in the air is an action that I actively initiate thereby causing the tragic consequence. However, my gun lying safely in my bedroom causes no harm UNLESS someone else commits a criminal act and removes it from there. So you are saying I should be held responsible for the criminal actions of others....which is ludicrous.
Hey,you should know by now it is always someone elses fault,not the criminals.Liberals always blame others for everything bad that happens.
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#19
Aug 6, 2013
 
If a mugger snatches a purse and runs into a light pole making his getaway,then the owner of the purse should pay for his doctor bills .She should have held on to it tighter.Her fault for sure.
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Aug 8, 2013
 
wondering wrote:
If a mugger snatches a purse and runs into a light pole making his getaway,then the owner of the purse should pay for his doctor bills .She should have held on to it tighter.Her fault for sure.
Hahahahhhaha I love that comment
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Aug 10, 2013
 
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Just because the depravity is not illegal doesn't make it someone else's fault. The depraved person is at fault. The careless gun owner, who is the root cause of gun violence in our society. Put the blame where it belongs. On the depraved person whose carelessness causes the violence. Calling kids criminals is just your excuse to get out of responsibility for your depravity. Kids do lots of "bad" things but responsible adults keep them out of trouble. When they get in trouble, it's because careless adults get drunk and drugged, and/or act stupid, instead of living up to their responsibilities.
So, how drunk, stoned, or stupid were you when your child f#cked up? There has got to be a history behind your ignorance and I'm confident that many would be intrigued to read about it. No one can be hung this far left without there being a history. Tell us, less than brilliant one. Many kids are criminals dumbass. Are you so blinded by rhetoric and bullshit that you cannot or refuse to see that? Yea, I'm shaking my head. I hope that you are an only child.
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A responsible gun owner does not leave his gun unlocked where a 14-year-old can steal it. The root cause of gun violence in this country is that it's infested with irresponsible gun owners. If you can blame a 14-year-old for your carelessness, why can't you blame a 13-year-old? Or 12 or 11 or 10 or 9 or 8 or 7 or 6 or 5 or 4 or 3 or 2 or 1? If a 1-year-old steals your gun and shoots someone, are you still going to blame the person who stole your gun? Where do you draw the line between a young child and a criminal child? Is it because one child is white and the other black? The real fault is with the owner, for being careless with the gun. A responsible owner would have his gun locked up where a 14-year-old couldn't steal it.
My purpose for a handgun is to have it handy if someone invades my home.It is of no use if it is locked up in a gun safe.The invader is not going to wait for me to run and get my key.A couple near here a few years age were nearly killed ,and spent nearly 6 weeks in the hospital from three thugs that broke into their home.A 1 or 2 or 3 year old is not going to break into your home,and steal your gun .It will be a teenager or older,that knows better.I have several handguns and there is always one within easy reach.
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Yes, dumb. It's dumb to leave your car running and let a child steal it. If you have to walk so far to the vending machine that a child can steal your car while you're gone, it only takes a small amount of common sense to know you should take the keys with you.
No, put the blame where it belongs ,on the thug that stole the car.
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Aug 10, 2013
 
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<quoted text>No, put the blame where it belongs ,on the thug that stole the car.
What are you saying? We can't hold individuals responsible for their actions. That would be contrary to the liberal approach towards rehabilitation. We should happily hand over everything that they desire, offer up our women so as to satisfy their needs, and then forgive for their crimes while understanding that they were just about ready to turn their lives around. That is the proper way to handle crime. We respectfully beg them to stop their illegal actions and then whine when they don't. Is this shit just about enough to make you sick and lose much faith in your fellow so called Americans? I must admit that socialist p#ssies make me nauseous and I sincerely wish that they could find a country that they would fit in. France perhaps. How about Cuba? I think that I should contact the ACLU.

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