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[Amish]

Romans 14 for notcultist,

Romans 14
1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

The gospel went to the formerly pagan gentiles who joining with the Jews could have had some error. This does not mean God did away with his law. Nowhere does it say the law was done away with. They all kept the Sabbath with the apostles.

Hebrews 10:26-29 “For if we sin WILFULLY after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth NO more sacrifice for sins

[Amish]

noncultist wrote:

I am more apt to believe that those of the Circumcision were still trying to hold the Gentiles under the law and Paul had to correct them again.

They were corrected for continuing to perform the sacrifices from Moses law of ordinances. These sacrifices are no longer needed after the final sacrifice, Jesus the lamb.

[noncultist]

Amish

It defies the truth as spoken to the use of the law in 1 Timothy 1:5-11:

5Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

6From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;

7Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

8But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; (see Gal. 3:24&25)

9Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

10For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

11According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust

[noncultist]

Gal.3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

The commandments we are under are:

John 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Acts 1: 1-3
1The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,

2Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

3To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.

We are to keep Jesus the Christ's commandments just as faithfully as He had kept His Father's commandments.

John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

These commandments of the New Covenant are given by Jesus and through revelation by Him to the Apostles for us to follow as are written in the epistles. They are full of warnings and directives for us to persevere towards holiness by His grace.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Heb.4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Heb. 8:6
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

7For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8:13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

What you purport is nothing more than what is referred to as "vain jangling" according to 1 Tim. Catholics do the same. SDAs too.

[Amish]

noncultist wrote:

Gal.3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

The commandments we are under are:

John 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

What you purport is nothing more than what is referred to as "vain jangling" according to 1 Tim. Catholics do the same. SDAs too.

I'll get a few of these. Once the post gets too long it's impossible to reply.

1 Timothy 1:5-11
is just saying the ten commandments are to identify what sin is.
Without the law there is no sin, and without sin why would we need a savior?
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Gal.3
tells of the mosaic law of sacrificial ordinances that was the schoolmaster.
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The often misunderstood two commandments in John 13 Jesus was quoting the Old Testament. Deut. 6:5; Lev. 19:18. The "Two" are simply a summary of the "Ten." To "love God" is to keep the first four. To "love man" is to keep the last six.
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There should be little room for confusion. We are told what exactly was nailed to the cross - the mosaic ordinances Col.2:14-17 which does not include the ten commandments written by God in stone. Jesus repeated the commandments saying those who love him are keepers of the law.

Your charge of Catholicism is quite odd since Catholics are not commandment keepers.

[noncultist]

Rom.4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect.
Gal.5:13For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

15But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

[noncultist]

Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

2Cor 3:11-18:
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

12Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

13And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

14But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

15But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

16Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

17Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

18But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Paul says that if we put ourselves under the law, we have to keep the whole law, the whole Torah, and grace is not grace and Christ died in vain.
The law demands perfection or we are condemned to death. The libeety we have is that we are hid in Christ as we, by the Spirit, are brought into the law; the ever expanding knowledge and heart of our Father. It's way past the insufficientcy of the Ten Commandments whic serve only to point out our sinfullness. Then we turn to Christ and the work of the Holy spirit as the law, the Character of Christ/God, is written in our hearts.

Adventists have a big problem because they are stuck on the Sunday, Sabbath, image of the beast teaching. Believe me, it is not even about a day.

[CINDERS]

noncultist wrote:

Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
2Cor 3:11-18:
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Paul says that if we put ourselves under the law, we have to keep the whole law, the whole Torah, and grace is not grace and Christ died in vain.
The law demands perfection or we are condemned to death. The libeety we have is that we are hid in Christ as we, by the Spirit, are brought into the law; the ever expanding knowledge and heart of our Father. It's way past the insufficientcy of the Ten Commandments whic serve only to point out our sinfullness. Then we turn to Christ and the work of the Holy spirit as the law, the Character of Christ/God, is written in our hearts.
Adventists have a big problem because they are stuck on the Sunday, Sabbath, image of the beast teaching. Believe me, it is not even about a day.

NC :-) You say "Adventists have a big problem because they are stuck on the Sunday, Sabbath, image of the beast teaching.

You say ..."Believe me", it is not even about a day".

OK what is it about?

[Amish]

There are two laws, the ten commandments written by God and the book of the law written by Moses that was added to atone for sin. After Jesus on the cross the mosaic ordinances are no more.

Deut.31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,

25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,

26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

Gal.3:19 Why then the law? >>>>It was added<<<< because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.

The sacrifical ordinances were the shadowy laws.

Heb.10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

[Amish]

Which law is it you have a problem with?

Are you saying there is no more sin? That Christ is your accomplice to sin?

We are told plainly what was nailed to the cross.

Col.2:14-17 Blotting out the >>>>handwriting of ordinances<<<< that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Eph.2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments >>>>contained in ordinances<<<<;

Gal.3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Rev.14:12 Here is the patience of >>>>the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, AND the faith of Jesus.<<<<

[charles]

Amish wrote:

Which law is it you have a problem with?
Are you saying there is no more sin? That Christ is your accomplice to sin?
We are told plainly what was nailed to the cross.
Col.2:14-17 Blotting out the >>>>handwriting of ordinances<<<< that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Eph.2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments >>>>contained in ordinances<<<<;
Gal.3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Rev.14:12 Here is the patience of >>>>the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, AND the faith of Jesus.<<<<

YAWN

[djconklin]

Moses Katia wrote:

Our World President is sounding more and more like one from the Vatican.

to quote the actual article: "... to affirm their denominations' common values and recommit to their shared goals of religious freedom."

[CINDERS]

CINDERS wrote:

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NC :-) You say "Adventists have a big problem because they are stuck on the Sunday, Sabbath, image of the beast teaching.
You say ..."Believe me", it is not even about a day".
OK what is it about?

Where are you noncultist ?

[michael]

Can all Paulian influences be removed from the Bible?

Saul was of course a Government undercover Agent.

Why should our faith be based on anything a government agent tells us to do ? Such as obeying our government on earth, of establishing a world monarchy- roman emperor ?

It was Paul that wrenched early Christianity from its status as a branch of Judaism.

If Jesus was a Jew, why aren't we if we believe in him ?

[CINDERS]

noncultist wrote:

Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
2Cor 3:11-18:
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Paul says that if we put ourselves under the law, we have to keep the whole law, the whole Torah, and grace is not grace and Christ died in vain.
The law demands perfection or we are condemned to death. The libeety we have is that we are hid in Christ as we, by the Spirit, are brought into the law; the ever expanding knowledge and heart of our Father. It's way past the insufficientcy of the Ten Commandments whic serve only to point out our sinfullness. Then we turn to Christ and the work of the Holy spirit as the law, the Character of Christ/God, is written in our hearts.
Adventists have a big problem because they are stuck on the Sunday, Sabbath, image of the beast teaching. Believe me, it is not even about a day.

NC :-) You say "Adventists have a big problem because they are stuck on the Sunday, Sabbath, image of the beast teaching.

You say ..."Believe me", it is not even about a day".

OK what is it about?

[Jesus Saves]

People...what is all the name calling and such about. We all need to pray for th Holy Spirit to direct our thoughts and provide God's truth to us. If we allow the Holy Spirit to dwell within us then we will learn God's truth. We will be obedient to Him, if we love Him. Pray continuously. We have to die to our prideful ways and be about our Father's business. There's nothing wrong with sharing what you believe to be the truth but must we do it in such a mean way? Let's all strive to be like Christ. Our focus belongs on Him, not on being right. My prayer is that God will continue to bless and keep each one of us. That He will provide us His truth an that we will be obedient children so that we will have that everlasting life with our Saviour.

[New Age Church]

Moses Katia wrote:

Our World President is sounding more and more like one from the Vatican.

All the world needs to come and worship and praise our new American president as our new Jesus of America and the world too. That will make for a better economy and improve our moral standards too.

[World At A Climax]

New Age Church wrote:

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All the world needs to come and worship and praise our new American president as our new Jesus of America and the world too. That will make for a better economy and improve our moral standards too.

Too many people soon considered him a Muslim Prophet.