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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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former res

Cheshire, CT

#70514 Mar 31, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Nah, I was bar mitzvahed in an age before things got flashy, in a town that was modestly middle class.
We had a free night at the Waldorf-Astoria (Hilton Honor Points) years ago; and there were signs up pointing to a private are for some kid's bar mitzvah party.

I bet that kid made out very well!

But of course his mom and dad had to return the favor several times over.

I think I got a watch a maybe $25 or so.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70515 Mar 31, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Same here re: Confirmation, but I wasn't an atheist yet at the time, so no regrets.
Later in life, however, I was faced with a dliemna of revealing my atheism to a very religious family or accepting an invite to be a godfather (on several occasions). I chose to maintain the peace and accept the offers. It did require some mental gymnastics on my part to justify the internal hypocrisy I was feeling.
yeah me too.

I'm my best friend's first born's god father.

I file that under my old refrain of pragmatism-over-idealism.

Go along to get along and so on.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70516 Mar 31, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Regarding other religions - I am of the position of who am I to judge?
Sounds like you're channeling Pope Francis (re gays).

"Judge" may be too strong a word. I prefer to think of it as critical thinking.

But of course we judge...I don't think we can help it.

Some of us judge OUR religion to be the right one, at least right for us.

Some us may say Scientology is a load of crap. Some of us may reject ALL religions....
Frijoles wrote:
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I am not sure about that - I think that needs to be parsed quite a bit
Jewish texts are not any more true because of their age.........
I should have said "many of us bestow more honor and respect on that which is old (whether this truth is real OR imagined)"

Pure perception.

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#70517 Mar 31, 2014
MORE ON RELIGION - TO YOKE

RELIGION is derived from the Latin word "religare" which means to yoke, bind or join.

So, what does it mean?

What has to be yoked to what?

Religion, in its nondual essence, is realization.

The outer form of religion is prayers, head bowing, shabbat, abstinence, pilgrimage, fasting, circumcision, tonsuring the head and the like.

If a religion is stuck on the shallow level of dualism, then, its outer form is its essence by which a follower binds himself to his G-d through prayers, pilgrimage, fasting, shabbat, circumcision, blood sacrifice and other external customs, while, on the other hand, if a religion is of a nondualistic nature then it exhorts its followers to bind in consciousness-force with its source through mystical experience which leads to the dissolution of the subject-object divide. In the nondual experience advocated by certain religions, the individual's lower self unites in consciousness-force with his higher self and becomes one or yoked with it.

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#70518 Mar 31, 2014
BUDDHISM IS A RELIGION

Buddhism, like every other religion, is a religion in the sense that it exhorts its followers to take refuge in Buddha, Sang (church) and Dharma (core principles that uphold existence).

This is how a Buddhist yokes himself outwardly in Buddhism.

The inner practice of Buddhism which is termed the Nirvana state of existence is based on meditation, mantra and breathing patterns lead to trance and subsequently to the union of the lower self (exteriorized consciousness-force) with the subliminal self that's free of the distractions, stresses and upheavals of the lower self that's involved in its own petty desires, shallow thoughts and environment.

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#70519 Mar 31, 2014
DID JESUS SAVE SINNERS?

The ignorant Catholics are correct in a vague sort of way when they say that Jesus died to save the world.

What it actually means is that Jesus absorbed much of the adverse personality defects as transferred vibes from many of the people around him and in the process his tolerance limit of holding and neutralizing these absorbed vibes collapsed leading to misfortune that ended in humiliation on the cross.

However, what gets forgotten is that when someone absorbs the negativity of another the latter being drained of much of his negative mental, emotional and physical impressions gets some relief and is in this sense "saved".

If we're sufficiently sensitive, we experience relief, a lessening of burdens and a sense of calm after sitting beside certain persons or near a water body or a tree or an animal as the case maybe because in the exchange of vibes taking place during the interaction we tend to lose a certain amount of negative vibes that gets transmitted into the receiver (person, water body, tree or animal).

In this way, our negativity ('sins") are lessened and we experience some relief or are in this sense "saved" from the burden of negativity we carry in us.

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#70520 Mar 31, 2014
typo

SANGHA not Sang (church)

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#70521 Mar 31, 2014
Need to lie down. The higher consciousness-force is getting activated again. Later.

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#70522 Mar 31, 2014
typo

our negativity IS lessened, not our negativity are lessened

(Later)

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70523 Mar 31, 2014
former res wrote:
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Sounds like you're channeling Pope Francis (re gays).
"Judge" may be too strong a word. I prefer to think of it as critical thinking.
But of course we judge...I don't think we can help it.
Some of us judge OUR religion to be the right one, at least right for us.
Some us may say Scientology is a load of crap. Some of us may reject ALL religions....
I dont judge (publically) the beliefs of others. I judge their actions.

Its impossible to censor ones "internal judge". Thats another matter altogether.

As to what religion is best for who - we have discussed this before. I opt out because I have no need to reject my own - which is a pre-req to deciding if another religion is more right for me.

As for those people who judge that their religion is the only right one (i.e the other religion is "false"), obviously I disagree with that perspective.....

Atheists are judgemental by their very nature. Who else would bother to advocate a stance?

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#70524 Mar 31, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
BUDDHISM IS A RELIGION
Buddhism, like every other religion, is a religion in the sense that it exhorts its followers to take refuge in Buddha, Sang (church) and Dharma (core principles that uphold existence).
This is how a Buddhist yokes himself outwardly in Buddhism.
Thats funny. Thats basically what I said. On some level, the system makes some assumptions about the nature of reality.

I fail to see much difference between "nothingness" in the tradition of Zen, and "ayn od milvado" in the tradition of Hasidic Judaism.

Just language.

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#70525 Mar 31, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
Atheists are judgemental by their very nature. Who else would bother to advocate a stance?
No more so than anyone else. Xtians are extremely judgemental of non-Xtians. As a Jew, I'm sure your ancestors have, unfortunately, been on the receiving end of that.

Besides, everyone advocates a stance. Belief, non-belief - those are all stances.

More accurately, atheists tend to be more skeptical of claims that aren't backed by evidence. I wouldn't call that judgemental, but I would call it using good judgement.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#70526 Mar 31, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Hugh would seize the chance.
Do you think gay sex is abnormal even though homosexuality is observed across a wide spectrum of species?
The fact that gay sex cannot result in procreation is patently clear and so gays cannot propagate humanity and had most men been gay then by now the human species would have become extinct or would have been on the verge of extinction.
Where procreation is concerned, gay sex is abnormal but what about gay sex per se without involving procreation?
If unlike charges/unlike magnetic poles attract then at the level of sentient species shouldn't unlike genders be sexually attracted to each other in keeping with the natural law of unlikes attracting at least where basic nature is concerned?
What do you say?
Abolish The Fed--Any black men looking for gay times?

Joel, the comic----Hugh would seize the chance.

Hugh, the sane---- Am I a dork sucking rabbi? NO

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70527 Mar 31, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
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No more so than anyone else. Xtians are extremely judgemental of non-Xtians. As a Jew, I'm sure your ancestors have, unfortunately, been on the receiving end of that.
Besides, everyone advocates a stance. Belief, non-belief - those are all stances.
More accurately, atheists tend to be more skeptical of claims that aren't backed by evidence. I wouldn't call that judgemental, but I would call it using good judgement.
I admit its a continuum, and probably atheists are less guilty of it than a lot of Christians.

I think where I was heading was the observation that what goes on in one's head (i.e. their thoughts) can be a major blockage to experiencing a sense of awe and wonder.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70528 Mar 31, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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Abolish The Fed--Any black men looking for gay times?
Joel, the comic----Hugh would seize the chance.
Hugh, the sane---- Am I a dork sucking rabbi? NO
another idiot in search of a village

too blind to notice a troll
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70529 Mar 31, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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I dont judge (publically) the beliefs of others. I judge their actions.
Its impossible to censor ones "internal judge". Thats another matter altogether.
As to what religion is best for who - we have discussed this before. I opt out because I have no need to reject my own - which is a pre-req to deciding if another religion is more right for me.
As for those people who judge that their religion is the only right one (i.e the other religion is "false"), obviously I disagree with that perspective.....
Atheists are judgemental by their very nature. Who else would bother to advocate a stance?
So you never did a comparative analysis to see if another religion would fit you better?

Do think most people would agree that one has to reject his own BEFORE choosing another?
(I don't get the 'pre-req' part..)

Some folks remarry and then change to their new spouses religion.

You strike me as intellectually curious and I think you do feel your religion is the right one for you, or else why would you continue in it...?(this doesn't make the other ones wrong, just not for you)

I don't think your comments an atheists hold for agnostic-atheists who make no claim to know and are not activist/militant. I really don't care much but as you know find believers endlessly fascinating. And religion in general. In that it's global, almost universal.

I don't judge much those who say they speak to god, but those who say god speaks to them, they deserve judgment. And they would also likely qualify for a psych diagnosis as well (strictly speaking). All due respect of course.(But that wouldn't me, that would be a shrink deciding/judging.)

Tomorrow is April's fool's day. wonder how that fits in here?

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#70530 Mar 31, 2014
thank you for the judgenments, Mr Huggy

consistent with your persona
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#70531 Mar 31, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Bohm - an ex Jew?
Doofus - I guess it never occurred to you that agnosticism is fully compatible with Judaism
F. David Peat (1997). Infinite Potential: The Life And Times Of David Bohm. Basic Books. p. 21. ISBN 978-0-201-32820-2. "If he identified Jewish lore and customs with his father, then this was a way he would distance himself from Samuel. By the time he reached his late teens, he had become firmly agnostic."
Frijoles to Joel---Doofus - I guess it never occurred to you that agnosticism is fully compatible with Judaism

HughBe--- Like homosexuality, agnosticism is compatible with Judaism oh I forget that Cheating is as well.

Tell me aspiring rabbi, how many of the 613 commandments do agnostics typically observe?

Since it is RELIGION that makes one a Jew explain how a agnostic or atheist qualify.

Lesson: NO convert is a BIOLOGICAL descendant of Israel and that is a FACT of reality that no false doctrine can change.

I am still waiting for the answer to the land entitlement question about "Jews" who are CONVERTS. Recall each tribe got land so tell me about COVERTS and their land rights, after all they ARE JEWS. It is my hope that your SAGES thought about this question over the past 4000 years and so please quote from them and your modern WISE men as well. Give link.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#70532 Mar 31, 2014
Frijoles---Bohm - an ex Jew?

HughBe--- There is no such thing as an "ex-Jew". Can someone become an ex-black? That is the IDENTICAL thing to calling someone an ex-Jew.

Jews are a RACE of people or a FAMILY that has COMMON ancestors going back to Jacob or Israel. NOTHING that any man can say or do shall ever change this FACT.

I find the concept of ex-Jew to be CRIMINAL and INHUMANE in my mind.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#70533 Mar 31, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
HUGH,
Are you afraid of death?
Do you often think about death?
1. I do not know if I am afraid of death what I do know is that I do not want to die now.

2. In terms of thinking often about death I would say no.

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