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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#70120 Mar 25, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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What makes you think your path isnt errant?
rabbee: because TheG-D of This Story here in IT, kept bothering me until i agreed with THEM. i have stood in the actual presence of G-D, to get the scoop on this. and my whole life is verified in The Written Torah, here in The Living Torah as well. just like G-D said to me, before it all happened exactly that way in TheTorah.

so i have not doubts, that TheG-D of Only TheTorah is still giving IT all. and i am willing to bet my three encounters with G-D so far, against everybody else in this whole world's not having even one.

G-D has already told to me, my life story so how can i possible err? except for the part, of should the woman chaooah not do till the second and extremely painful visit with G-D. and so now i am not going to disbelief in G-D, cause it makes my behind extremely sore.

i cannot avoid anything that G-D said i shall do, here in TheTorah Happening. and it is all i can do, but to tell the truth about it all. cause i cannot change, anything that G-D said i shall do. it is not worth it, to believe the subtle critters of the field, that we are not all here in TheTorah G-D is still giving from the beginning with Noach to the last day with adam and chaooah placed in charge as always. TheG-D WHO is giving The Whole Living Torah here in IT, does not ever tell lies.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70122 Mar 25, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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wah!
On a serious note, yes, I at times get propositioned in the luxury night clubs that I visit by sexy females and lustful bisexuals who tell me openly they want to sleep with me.
I don't like it and rebuff them or laugh it off or pretend that I have not understood.
That must be awful.

My heart goes out to you.

(Why do I picture you like a glittery disco ball with you imagining the whole world revolving around you?)

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#70123 Mar 25, 2014
ADAM: My meaning was crystal clear, yours was like mud

........

Really?

Let's test your reasoning skills, ok?

Refer to the original exchange:

JOEL: The rabbis were opposed to Jesus because, unlike Moses, Jesus preached nondualism of equating the individual consciousness with the supreme consciousness.

ADAM: That's incorrect. The Rabbis would oppose anyone claiming to be G-d or a path to G-d which violates the Second Commandment. Additionally, anyone preaching anything other than the unity of G-d would be rejected.

........

So, Adam, now, using logic, tell me why would any averagely intelligent person oppose a mystic claiming that he's either attained to a nondual state of consciousness in which he has become one in consciousness with the supreme consciousness or that he's an incarnation of the supreme consciousness? From a mystico-logical perspective, what's wrong with either/both of these positions originating from nondualism?

Why should one stick to the inferior and flawed dualism of Tanach (second commandment et al)?

Use logic, not scriptural nonsense, to debunk nondualism in all its implications.

Let's see how far you get using logic and any corroborative evidence from nature/real life.

(smiles in advance)

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#70124 Mar 25, 2014
former res wrote:
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So....was that a yes or a no on you guys still having the original tablets on which god wrote?
rabbee: even if i knew where The Tablets are, i would not admit to anything to anyone. if you want to know, talk to The Department of G-D'S Public Relations yourself. if G-D does not want to tell, any of you where they are. then i am, not about to tell any of you. i can only do and say, what G-D said to me in it's proper order. and so the answer still is, yes, no, maybe so. this world ain't readied itself, for anything truly from G-D. the only thing you all deserve from, is the same hard time you are giving G-D.

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#70125 Mar 25, 2014
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: because TheG-D of This Story here in IT, kept bothering me until i agreed with THEM. i have stood in the actual presence of G-D, to get the scoop on this. and my whole life is verified in The Written Torah, here in The Living Torah as well. just like G-D said to me, before it all happened exactly that way in TheTorah.
so i have not doubts, that TheG-D of Only TheTorah is still giving IT all. and i am willing to bet my three encounters with G-D so far, against everybody else in this whole world's not having even one.
G-D has already told to me, my life story so how can i possible err? except for the part, of should the woman chaooah not do till the second and extremely painful visit with G-D. and so now i am not going to disbelief in G-D, cause it makes my behind extremely sore.
i cannot avoid anything that G-D said i shall do, here in TheTorah Happening. and it is all i can do, but to tell the truth about it all. cause i cannot change, anything that G-D said i shall do. it is not worth it, to believe the subtle critters of the field, that we are not all here in TheTorah G-D is still giving from the beginning with Noach to the last day with adam and chaooah placed in charge as always. TheG-D WHO is giving The Whole Living Torah here in IT, does not ever tell lies.
Is your version of the Torah the Masoretic text or not?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70126 Mar 25, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>.
......Lets try it this way.
Back when Tatars where still in the process of leaving Crimea (forcibly or otherwise), and Russians were still forcibly colonizing, and when the Russian population was less than 60%, and the minority Russians were pining for Russian statehood, would you (or Carter) still agree that Crimea should be Russian? Probably not.(or maybe so?) Then why give them the free pass NOW, as a reward for their imperialism? And in the same token, chastise Israel for doing the same? Thats the comparison.
And we Americans shouldn't get a free pass either because we took over this land from the Indians.

I may have lost track of who is who in the comparison.
Frijoles wrote:
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I dont recollect invoking his Peace Prize credentials, just his public record as a public statesman.
Hence my smiley face.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#70127 Mar 25, 2014
former res wrote:
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That must be awful.

My heart goes out to you.

(Why do I picture you like a glittery disco ball with you imagining the whole world revolving around you?)
If we ever meet, we'll hit it off very well.

I like your humor.

Do come to Mumbai, I'll take you to the best places here. You'll enjoy the experiences of seeing first hand the high life in Mumbai. It's really something.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#70128 Mar 25, 2014
Adam 36 wrote:
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Fatally altered? There is only one Masoretic text.
You will have to tell us what text your scroll is
rabbee: do yourself a favor, and do a google search on Torah Scroll. and save us both, from your ignorance on this matter. then if you have learned at least the basics, we can talk about it.

and one of the first documents, donated to the library of congress was a Torah Scroll.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70129 Mar 25, 2014
yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: even if i knew where The Tablets are, i would not admit to anything to anyone. if you want to know, talk to The Department of G-D'S Public Relations yourself. if G-D does not want to tell, any of you where they are. then i am, not about to tell any of you. i can only do and say, what G-D said to me in it's proper order. and so the answer still is, yes, no, maybe so. this world ain't readied itself, for anything truly from G-D. the only thing you all deserve from, is the same hard time you are giving G-D.
How convenient..

I never asked where they were, only if you folks still had them.

Or did you also have to return them to the angel like Joseph Smith said he did?

These religions all seem to have a common thread. That everything is taken on faith.

I see a pattern.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#70130 Mar 25, 2014
In many ways, the high life in Mumbai exceeds the high life in NY, London or Singapore. In the elite places in Mumbai, money is spent like water, the happening places are fabulous, the houses are among the very best (top 1%) in the world in terms of opulence, style, price and amenities and the hip crowd is jet-setting, global, cool, trendy, handsome, poised and highly educated.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70131 Mar 25, 2014
Adam 36 wrote:
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Arabs were given 78% of Palestine now known as Jordan for a Judenrein state. Jews were granted the land west of the Jordan totaling 22% of the Palestine Mandate. Currently Israel is 14% of Palestine with the Arabs claiming the other 8% known as the WB and Gaza belong to them.
The foreign Hashemites occupy 78% of Palestine in Jordan. The Palestinians should go see the foreign Hashemites for their land and tell them to go back to where they came from.
Problem solved
Doesn't this all go back to the British drawing all these artificial lines in the desert?

You say the Arabs "were given 78%?" By whom? Who owned it before they did?

I thought it was all Arab land. Isn't that the point? The Jews were nomads and had no land of their own?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#70132 Mar 25, 2014
former res wrote:
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Clearly someone has to give up something.
This is why the divorce rate is so high.
No one is willing to compromise.
What about all the Arabs who were "uprooted" in 1948?
Don't the Arabs have a legitimate grievance about the land?
Can you see if from their point of view as well?
Half the time when a friend or family member come to me complaining about how someone screwed them or whatever, I ask questions and realize they're at fault as well, maybe even more. Sorry. They never want to hear it. We all have a bias - can't help it.
Adam did a good job with the numbers,
but I might add Israel gave up the Sinai (legally conqered after winning a defensive war), as well as Jewish settlements in Gaza. They had better luck with Sinai than Gaza.

The Sinai border is relatively peaceful, even if Egypt publicly still holds Israel in scorn. The Gaza withdrawal,(which I was VERY much in favor of), on the other hand, has been a disaster, as it has led to hundreds of missiles a year being fired into Israel.(Which is why Israel will never give up the Golan Heights).

As far as their POV, war happens, refugees happen, and as far as I know the Palestinians are the ONLY group kept in perpetual refuge-hood by the UN. All other groups are worked to be resettled. Whats up with that? Why the special treatment?

I am not opposed to settling the scores economically through compensation. As soon as the Arab nations recognize and compensate the Jews they kicked out during the same period. Which were hundreds of thousands.



Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#70133 Mar 25, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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With or without inferences, it can be easily shown that the Hebrew Bible is flawed based as it is on a borrowed Babylonian dualism that as known is pure BS and that Moses is not fit to sit at the feet of Jesus. LOL.
rabbee: well every flawed person, can mentally prove that everything else that is not flawed their way is flawed.

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#70134 Mar 25, 2014
yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: do yourself a favor, and do a google search on Torah Scroll. and save us both, from your ignorance on this matter. then if you have learned at least the basics, we can talk about it.
and one of the first documents, donated to the library of congress was a Torah Scroll.
I asked you a question you should be capable of answering if you in fact have a Torah scroll.

Is it the Masoretic text or not?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70135 Mar 25, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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excellent post
Thanks.

The better the post, the less likely he will respond to it.

His normal pattern is willful ignorance.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#70136 Mar 25, 2014
former res wrote:
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And we Americans shouldn't get a free pass either because we took over this land from the Indians.
I may have lost track of who is who in the comparison.
Absolutely. So the question is, where do we draw the line in "righting" the historical injustices?

And which injustices are we morally obligated to address? Many a American or European activist has campaigned for a cause on a foreign land while totally ignoring the irony of their own situation.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#70137 Mar 25, 2014
former res wrote:
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Doesn't this all go back to the British drawing all these artificial lines in the desert?
You say the Arabs "were given 78%?" By whom? Who owned it before they did?
I thought it was all Arab land. Isn't that the point? The Jews were nomads and had no land of their own?
It wasnt Arab land. It was Ottoman Empire (Turks), and before that Caliphate, and before that Byzantine, and before that Roman, and before that Jewish, and before that Babylonian etc etc etc

There has always been a continuous Jewish presence from the latter Biblical times (Solomon's Temple, etc etc). Population went up and down along the ages.

The early Zionists (1880-1940s) actually purchased the land from the Ottoman Empire legally . It wasnt until after 1948 that land was appropriated more forcibly.

The Palestinians, in many cases are descendants of workers from other reaches of the Ottoman Empire, imported to work the land (sound familiar?). Yasir Arafat was of Egyption descent.


Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#70138 Mar 25, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Doesn't this all go back to the British drawing all these artificial lines in the desert?
You say the Arabs "were given 78%?" By whom? Who owned it before they did?
I thought it was all Arab land. Isn't that the point? The Jews were nomads and had no land of their own?
The Brits defeated the Ottoman empire which had no lines. The land was not owned by Arabs but the Ottomans who called it miri land. The Arabs are the nomads. The Jews had lived in the land of Israel for 3,000 years. Archaeology turns up nothing but Jewish artifacts not Arab.

The Brits created the states of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Iraq for Arabs. Something the Arabs never had,. The land West of the Jordan was reasegv ed for Jews as a multi ethnic state.

Jews currently own about 90% of the land West of the Jordan and Arabs own about 10%.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70139 Mar 25, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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If we ever meet, we'll hit it off very well.
I like your humor.
Do come to Mumbai, I'll take you to the best places here. You'll enjoy the experiences of seeing first hand the high life in Mumbai. It's really something.
Thank you.

It would be a very exotic trip for sure.

Has Mumbai been fairly safe since the November 2008 attacks?

That was very bad. 164 killed. Over 300 wounded. It was Pakistan behind it.

Was anyone you know hurt or killed? Did you hear or see any of it?

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#70140 Mar 25, 2014
RED INDIANS ARE FOREIGNERS IN NORTH AMERICA

The Red Indians who settled in North America millennia ago crossed over from Eurasia via the Isthmus of the Bering Sea. So, by this yardstick, the Red Indians are foreigners in North America. By a quirk of fate, the Red Indians were 250 years or so ago replaced by European settlers. Since the past 1/1.5 centuries, a large number of Africans were brought over into North America and since the past few decades crowds of Asians and Hispanics are settling down in North America and going by the tide of emigrants it's apparent that North Americans of European ancestry may well be outnumbered by non-Europeans in time to come. LOL.

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