Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

There are 72030 comments on the Newsday story from Jun 21, 2008, titled Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel. In it, Newsday reports that:

Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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#69507 Mar 16, 2014
Rick Moss wrote:
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I missed the part of the story where they were building a publicly funded church in the 911 museum. Of course, there are quite a few publicly funded places of worship in the US -- at least one on every major military post. Many in public hospitals. Others are just historical sites that receive public renovation funds (the Old North Church in Massachusetts for example).
American battlefields like Pearl Harbour and Gettysburg receive public funding and have crosses on them. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to call the site of the WTC an American battlefield.
The issue is not of having a cross on publicly funded locations. It's that once you do that, you must provide equal opportunity to all.

Public "chapels" are intended for multi-denominational use (including secular use by atheists/humanists), so no preference being shown there. Thus, not an issue.

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#69508 Mar 16, 2014
Rick Moss wrote:
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I agree. But what is an "atheist shrine"? A golden idol of the flying spaghetti monster? A huge alabaster question mark?
It sounds a bit oxymoronic.
How about a plaque acknowledging that atheists died there too, not just Xtians. For f$&k sakes, even Arlington cemetery allows atheist symbols on headstones.

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#69509 Mar 16, 2014
Rick Moss wrote:
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All religious iconography is symbolic -- some more so than others. I don't find a cross any more or less offensive as the yin yang, the karmic wheel, a swastika (the original one) or the golden arches.
Atheism, at it's core, is a desire not to be included in the world of religion or faith-based ideologies and that is a great thing. An ideology based on no preconceptions would be a great thing. That is why I find it so ironic that a radical atheist's response to religious culture is either "I don't have something so you can't have something" or "if you have something I want to have it too". At best it's ironic, at worst it's petulant and childish.
I don't believe that the inclusion of religious iconography is a publicly funded museum constitutes either making a law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. I also believe that attempting to erase any hint of religious culture from any public institution is reductio ad absurdum of the First Amendment.
Some much wrong in this post, too little time to respond to it all now. Maybe later.

I would note, however, that the courts generally tend to disagree with your last point.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#69510 Mar 16, 2014
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As long as you know this doesn't mean we'll be taking long, hot showers together.
What nonsense is this!

Such thoughts never cross my mind.

I would like to sit and chat with you, work on projects in science or in areas of common interests with you, have dinner with you, take a walk with you, work out in the gym with you and have you soothe me by patting my head in an avuncular way in times of great distress knowing what my history is.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#69511 Mar 16, 2014
I knew that the dumb rat COR would soon surface after reading my posts attacking his character. He's always lurking in the background. Some half-baked scientist he is with so much of free time on his hands to indulge in endless debates where most of his points are illogical and the few that come across as right are based on ordinary school boy reasoning. Idiot. LOL.

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#69512 Mar 16, 2014
I responded to Rick's posts before reading all of Frijoles' responses. He made all the points I would have made in far more detail. Typing on an iphone is not conducive to a proper, lengthy reply.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#69513 Mar 16, 2014
LIAM looks for natural causes in everything but he once remarked that he believes in "spirit". I wonder what he means by the term "spirit".

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#69514 Mar 16, 2014
As an atheist, I wonder how I should employ the laws of science to evaluate cherished human values like sincerity, love, compassion or morality or a fundamental constitutional right.
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#69515 Mar 16, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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What nonsense is this!
Such thoughts never cross my mind.
I would like to sit and chat with you, work on projects in science or in areas of common interests with you, have dinner with you, take a walk with you, work out in the gym with you and have you soothe me by patting my head in an avuncular way in times of great distress knowing what my history is.
Well...some of that sounds a little gay. Our showers after working out at the gym would be separate, correct? His and his?

But of course I'm always up for a bit of chat, dinner and a walk! And I will even pat you on the head, esp if you pick up the dinner check! Chicken Tikka Masala is a favorite Indian dish.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#69516 Mar 16, 2014
former res wrote:
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Our showers after working out at the gym would be separate, correct? His and his?
Of course.

No question about that unless we're forced to shower together with me keeping my boxers on all throughout.

(smiles)

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#69517 Mar 16, 2014
former res wrote:
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But of course I'm always up for a bit of chat, dinner and a walk! And I will even pat you on the head, esp if you pick up the dinner check!
Good.

It would be my pleasure to pick up the check and mind you if I ever meet you I will take you to the best eating places since I prefer great style over sleaze and outstanding food over junk.

It's great to eat at Michelin star restaurants - my what verve and what innovation they bring into the food and the accent in these refined restaurants is on nouvelle.

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#69518 Mar 16, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
Money is the root of all evil.
If that is true then before the invention of money there was no evil. But this is false.

If money is the root of all evil, as you think, then what are the men who invented this?

For example, fever existed long before money and is not a good thing, so is famine.

Money is a thing, and as such cannot do/be good or evil by its will, so it all depends from the way people use it. The point lies on a relationship between men and money. At times this relation can give positive fruits and other time negative ones.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#69519 Mar 16, 2014
former res wrote:
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Chicken Tikka Masala is a favorite Indian dish.
I rarely eat Indian food but when I go for local cuisine I eat the rare authentic dishes.

The best Indian food over here is at the swank restaurants of the Taj like Masala Kraft and the Konkan Cafe.

The Indian fare that's dished out in the US/UK is tempered to suit western palates while the authentic dish is spicier and prepared in a frying pan or in a tandoor (clay oven).

Chicken tikka masala is an ordinary non-veg dish back here where the menu spread is overwhelming and the aromas are wow!

I don't eat meat/fish.

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#69520 Mar 16, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
COR - THE CRASS IDIOT
Refined human qualities are missing on this forum.
Take a look at COR (Cult of Reason).
COR is an atheist which is great but one look at his shriveled personality that's devoid of sympathy, compassion and kindness and any averagely moral person will flee from him.
Besides, COR seriously lacks intelligence.
COR comes across as riff raff in most online debates that he often indulges using poor logic and an impoverished vocabulary of the English language.
A poster like COR is not human but more a hard-hearted barbarian.
Is he so because he doesn't care about you?
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Many atheists, once they free themselves from religious superstition, become cruel, unsympathetic and immoral.
I have turned atheist but I hope never to condescend to the pathetic level of a crass idiot like COR.
What atheism has anything to do with being cruel, unsympathetic and immoral?

How atheism turns people like that?

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#69521 Mar 16, 2014
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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If that is true then before the invention of money there was no evil. But this is false.
Before money came into existence, humans fought over essential commodities, cattle, land, etc.

Money means purchasing power.

In the past goods/services came to be acquired via barter or loot.

With these material assets now being exchanged for money (that is ever since money has replaced barter as the form of selling/buying of goods and services) thus money has become the root of all evil.

Understand?

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#69522 Mar 16, 2014
Good and Evil are misnomers. They are subjective and depend on conditions and causes.

In nature there is nothing good or evil. Men use freely these labels according to its limited reason.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#69523 Mar 16, 2014
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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Fever existed long before money and is not a good thing, so is famine.
What rubbish.

Disease are not prized by any sane human being and besides most diseases have a cure or the symptoms can be supposed through medication or in the worst of cases we learn to live with it out of compulsion and always hope a disease will leave us.

Famines bring in destruction and so no one cherishes a famine.

So, diseases and famines bring no pleasure, no prosperity no comfort, no sense of satiety.

Whereas, money which is equivalent to purchasing power (of the bare necessities or of luxuries) is universally coveted and most people adopt unethical means to acquire and to preserve and to multiply it.

Everyone wants to be wealthy and to have the best things in life that money can buy.

No one wants to get rid of money unlike a disease or a famine which everyone wants to eliminate at the earliest.

Understand, now?

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#69524 Mar 16, 2014
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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What atheism has anything to do with being cruel, unsympathetic and immoral?

How atheism turns people like that?
Yes, in many instances, atheism has made people immoral, cruel and harsh.

How?

Many atheists advocate sex between siblings with a condom, next they may advocate sex between son-mother, father-daughter.

The religious man is deluded by mumbo jumbo of faith but in all religions there are strong commands to do be moral and to do good.

See, an ordinary religious man can be intrinsically evil but in most cases, under normal circumstances, he's most likely to forgive, give much of his earnings to the poor or to bear ill-will simply because a god would want him to behave in this benign manner. On the other hand,. many atheists have nothing to restrain them like say belief in a supernatural power to keep their behavior or their morals in check. This is my observation on many occasions.

Atheism draws much of its morals from Buddhism and Jainism and from the benign facets of Semitic faiths.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#69525 Mar 16, 2014
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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Is he so because he doesn't care about you?
Not at all.

Even with Hugh who he often debates, he has not a single sympathetic word or a word of warmth or an inquiry about family.

Besides, COR has this dictatorial tendency and childish habit that's common to men of low intelligence and of bad breeding to blacklist a poster like in the manner he often does to Hugh and on top of that the brainless bastard also advises his stupid friends here to boycott Hugh. I have objected to this crude behavior in the past.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#69526 Mar 16, 2014
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
Good and Evil are misnomers.
No, good and evil are dual aspects of moral behavior that's ingrained in human personality.

Morality cannot be subtracted from human personality. It's a permanent feature.

Heredity, upbringing, education, environmental influences and lifestyle habits bring out these dual aspects - good and evil - in lesser or in greater measure in a person.

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