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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47979 Jan 28, 2013
LIMITATIONS OF SCIENCE:

1) Science can only test theories based on gross matter and that too in a crude inferential manner.

2) Where sentience, order, purpose, will and the fundamental question of origins of matter and sentience are concerned, science is clueless and as irrational as creationists.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47980 Jan 28, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>

rabbee: i believe G-D has already warned us about, sorcery and witchraft. and therefor is best, to avoid any of it.
Which being are you referring to as G-d?

What do you mean by sorcery and witchcraft?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47981 Jan 28, 2013
IGNORANCE OF SCIENCE:

1) If we're forced to account for the existence of life forms by postulating initial conditions in which life forms already existed, then we could hardly say that our natural laws have explained the phenomenon of life. The theory of evolution avoids this by positing a natural mechanism whereby life could arise from a chaotic cloud of gas or a "primordial soup". In this way, the required initial condition is rendered as simple as possible, and all significant phenomena are attributed to the operation of the laws themselves.

2) Unless, the principle of life exists in the involved form in matter, it's absurd to assume that simple push and pull forces of insentient matter alone could organize a chaotic, seething mass of atomic particles into a system of life forms capable of exhibiting so many remarkable qualities and activities that far exceeds the scope and operations of gross matter taken independently.

3) Another questionable feature of the modern scientific view is that of "chance", which enters the theory of quantum mechanics as a kind of repeated initial condition in the so-called "reduction of the wave packet". The role of chance is illogical to say the least with the basic point being that chance enters modern physical theory as an arbitrary yet unavoidable correction factor that modifies the behavior of the system under the natural laws. It is thus another aspect in which the mathematical formulations of natural laws fail to completely specify the phenomena of nature.

4) These drawbacks of the modern scientific view suggest the existence of natural laws of a higher order. Such higher laws would serve to provide the missing information needed to account for the origin of life in matter, and would also serve to fill in the missing causal determination represented by "chance" in modern physics.

5) By higher order laws is meant one of the following sets of progressively stronger properties:

a) The laws cannot be reduced to the known laws of physics and chemistry.

b) These higher order laws cannot be expressed mathematically at all, and relate to entities not amenable to numerical description.

CONCLUSION:

The simple push and pull laws of modern physics and chemistry are certainly inadequate to account for the phenomenon of life, and the dilemmas of quantum theory suggest that they are not even adequate to account for the gross physical phenomena studied in physics.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47982 Jan 28, 2013
QUESTION:

On the human level there are so many subtle traits of personality - for example: compassion, stability, honesty, humility, discrimination, tolerance, intention, responsibility, cleanliness, love, self-control and so on.

Is there any molecular operation or any multidimensional quantum mechanical equation that can describe these wonderful phenomena of life?

(smiles)
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47983 Jan 28, 2013
RIDDLES & INADEQUACY OF MOLECULAR PULLS & PUSHES:

1) Sometimes in human experience, mental events happen suddenly and without apparent antecedents. Fine poetry comes from a poet's intuitive thought; the solution to a difficult mathematical puzzle is revealed in a mental flash; an intrinsic chemical structure is picturized intuitively in the mind of a chemist; and a whole symphony is inspired in the mind of a composer.

2) Are we to suppose that these phenomena are nothing but the products of chance and simple pushes and pulls?

3) In, say, Mozart, we see a unique ability not present in any members of his family (Mozart's father was an ordinary musician). If a biochemical machine were present in Mozart's brain that could generate symphonies effortlessly, where did this machine come from? If a human being were to design such a machine, he would certainly have to adjust many delicately inter-related variables, and this would require great intelligence and perseverance.

4) Are we to suppose, then, that a random mutation of a gene or a chance combination of genetic alleles was able to produce such a machine? We should note that the chance that a pattern will form randomly goes down exponentially with the number of variables entering into the pattern.

5) Or are we to suppose that by Coulomb's law and the spin-orbit interactions, such a machine will just naturally pull itself together, given time?

(smiles)
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47984 Jan 28, 2013
BOTTOM LINE:

If humanity is merely a product of insentient molecular pushes and pulls, there is no reason why people should be concerned about the moral and ethical values of life. But, every sensible person knows that there is value in life. Life per se is full of meaning and full of purpose.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47985 Jan 28, 2013
The gap from the primal "soup" to the first RNA system capable of natural selection, a sentient characteristic, is forbiddingly wide.

(smiles)
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47986 Jan 28, 2013
TNA - THREOSE NUCLEIC ACID - WORLD?

"TNA suffers from the chirality quandary associated with all sugar-based nucleic acid backbones. Although the presence of a 4-carbon sugar in TNA reduces this problem to 2 sugars and 4 stereo-isomers, it remains a formidable challenge to demonstrate how oligonucleotides composed of only L-threose could be preferentially synthesized under pre-biotic conditions...the selection of chiral sugar component of TNA would have required some sort of selection process to be in operation."

- Jeffrey Bada

(smiles)
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47987 Jan 28, 2013
CONCLUSION:

Thus it is clear that all these silly reductionistic approaches to understand and explain life are unable to convince serious thinkers and truth-lovers. They seem to always lead to different dead ends. Life is, therefore, beyond matter.

(smiles)
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47988 Jan 28, 2013
ABIOGENESIS: CHEMICAL CHICKEN & EGG ENIGMA WRAPPED IN A MYSTERY & A PARADOX:

Genetic information flows from DNA, in the nucleus of each cell, to RNA, which carries the information out of the nucleus into the body of the cell and uses the instructions encoded in it to produce proteins (which act as enzymes and also provide the structural framework of cells). However, the duplication of DNA requires numerous enzymes that catalyze those reactions. And enzymes are proteins themselves - the end product of the information coded in DNA. In other words, proteins are required for DNA synthesis and DNA is required for protein synthesis.

QUESTION: How could the first living cell with DNA-based molecular biology have originated by spontaneous chemical processes on the pre-biotic earth? This is the chicken and egg problem of life's origin from chemicals - which came first: DNA or protein molecules?

(smiles)

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#47989 Jan 28, 2013
I see it is Joel hour again
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47990 Jan 28, 2013
Even if all the chemical systems needed to maintain a living organism were to be given to a scientist by extracting them from a living organism and if all these were to be assembled in correct sequence and order, yet life would not manifest in such a chemical soup.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47991 Jan 28, 2013
Though the principle of life inheres in matter, yet life exceeds the nature and functional aspects of matter.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47992 Jan 28, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
I see it is Joel hour again
Thank you, Papa.

I love you, Papa.

Lots of respect and tons of adoration,

Your son,

Joel.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47994 Jan 28, 2013
AHMADINEJAD is a crypto-Jew and above all a Free Mason who's tied in with the NWO. Illuminati shill.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47995 Jan 28, 2013
I am going into the kitchen to prepare a simple meal of pumpkin soup and a broccoli and tofu salad tossed with dressing to eat with bran bread for dinner. Bye.
Eric

Schaumburg, IL

#47996 Jan 28, 2013
JOEL wrote:
I am going into the kitchen to prepare a simple meal of pumpkin soup and a broccoli and tofu salad tossed with dressing to eat with bran bread for dinner. Bye.
so much for the mush only diet.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#47997 Jan 28, 2013
The poor pumpkin, broccoli, and soy beans that had their lives violently snuffed for the transient benefit and thrill of a human.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#47998 Jan 28, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
Me twisting words? Au contraire. You are the one who told us that there is segregation amongst the churches by socioeconomic status. My point is that such segregation is unique to those who have fundamental religious beliefs similar to you. The fact that YOU visit both is not relevant. The salient fact is that the two sets of churches exist. And, they exist for those who believe that Jesus is the Messiah and a member of the Triune.
Eric, the jackass & LIAR wrote---You are the one who told us that there is SEGREGATION amongst the churches by socioeconomic status.

HughBe--- Not only are you a LIAR you are a JACKASS and a DUNCE.
I made no mention of SEGREGATION. YOU lie, YOU twist and fabricate IN KEEPING WITH YOUR TRAINING RECEIVED FROM YOUR MASTERS/rabbis.

Young Eric, let me give you more help in understanding YOUR words.
You were saying that it was unusual or unexpected that someone with my beliefs would attend 2 Churches with a majority of poorly educated members. This is the CONTEXT of your response.

HughBe---I would have gone to churcheS(PLURAL) where the majority are professionals/business.....

Eric---It's (unusual or unexpected) of those who believe that Jesus was the Messiah and a member of the Triune.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47999 Jan 28, 2013
Burp.

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