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I'll defend to the death Huggy's right to post babble and/or drivel,

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The wife breaks an egg into them toward the end of cooking.

Helps to make it a meal.
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MUSLIMS & MUHAMMAD:

Watching the news on TV - Muslims in India are going crazy thinking it to be a great day in view of it being Muhammad's birthday today. Views like Muhammad being creation's best, the perfect man and the most knowledgeable and righteous one are being freely aired by gullible and brainwashed educated/uneducated Muslims without the least thought being given to the great limitations of the prophet who set a very bad example in many affairs for his followers. His idea of God, too, is infantile to say the least - he was in contact with a petty control freak (Allah) who has a huge ego and who displays magnified jealousy - and the info he "revealed" via the Quran is something so hilarious in most respects that it brings on a fit of uncontrollable laughter. He was a silly man with ordinary mystical accomplishments and whose ideas about the real world were juvenile to put it mildly. Muhammad came to perpetuate the same old ignorance and I'll go to the extent of saying that his advent has served as a setback to the regeneration of the terrestrial matter and humankind. Shame.
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Muhammad's advent has served as a setback to the regeneration of the terrestrial matter and humankind.

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Great noodles. And cheap too.
Got me through the college years, particularly the weekends.

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I suppose I consider catholics and othe rchristians different. Overall, they are similar, but different in my observations. Both are very much flawed in preparing for that which they can never understand.
Base line definition of a Christian is "a person who adheres to Christianity, an Abrahamic, monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth". Don't know why you would refer to Catholics as anything other than Christian unless you're somehow biased by the Christian sect your mother migrated to. I've seen some Christian sects refer to others as "not true Christians". It's the old "No True Scottsman" logical fallacy.
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I simply like to think there is something of a higher power.
Fair enough. Like I said, people's needs and wants are fulfilled differently.
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...That we don't know it is there does not mean it does not exist. That we are ignorant to existance of something doesn't make it not exist. My point is that I believe in something that is based on a feeling.
Same argument I was making. But again, the POSSIBILITY of something existing doesn't make it so in reality. "Feeling" that something exists doesn't make it so in reality. So, where do you draw the line? You "like to think" or "have a feeling" that there is a higher power. And there are people that "like to think" or "have a feeling" about various other things existing, such as Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny, etc... I prefer to focus on the provable. There are plenty of mysteries of the universe that are still unknown but discoverable or provable. Enough to keep us busy for years to come. I see no need to waste time making up unprovable mysteries. But again, to each their own.
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You can certainly try to put me in a box, but that box doesn't exist. I don't fall intot he same box as you do. I don't dfall into that box defined by a textbook.
Labels can be useful. Your thinking is not completely unique. I've heard your position and arguments many times before from agnostic theists. Rather than run away from the lablel, you should embrace it, understand it, and perhaps reach out to other like-minded individuals to see how they address the same questions you are dealing with.
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I do however refuse to believe the stories that you read.
What "stories" would that be?
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Is it all science? No. If you believe this, explain 1000s of things that science has no answer for. Surely leaving you with the same question.
Argument from Ignorance / God of the Gaps - a logical fallacy.

Just because we haven't discovered certain answers yet doesn't mean we won't. And even if we never do, so what. What's wrong with saying "I don't know" and leaving it at that, rather than trying to answer a mystery with another mystery.
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My higher power is based on simple things like: hurricanes, earthquakes, tsunamis, lightning, etx. Those are higher powers or results of higher powers. They may be the results of thing coming to equalibrium, but a much greater power than I or you, regardless of our combined knowledges. Think about all of the things in nature that are more powerful thjan us?
So your higher power is nature? Sounds like you're drifting into a somewhat panthesitic worldview.

Pantheism is the belief that everything composes an all-encompassing, immanent God,[1] or that the universe (or nature) is identical with divinity.[2] Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal or anthropomorphic god, but believe that interpretations of the term differ.
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Cor: So what drives you to believe that a higher power exists?
Idgaf: a feeling ... Dreams ... Choice ...
I appreciate the honest answer.
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Base line definition of a Christian is "a person who adheres to Christianity, an Abrahamic, monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth". Don't know why you would refer to Catholics as anything other than Christian unless you're somehow biased by the Christian sect your mother migrated to. I've seen some Christian sects refer to others as "not true Christians". It's the old "No True Scottsman" logical fallacy.
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Fair enough. Like I said, people's needs and wants are fulfilled differently.
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Same argument I was making. But again, the POSSIBILITY of something existing doesn't make it so in reality. "Feeling" that something exists doesn't make it so in reality. So, where do you draw the line? You "like to think" or "have a feeling" that there is a higher power. And there are people that "like to think" or "have a feeling" about various other things existing, such as Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny, etc... I prefer to focus on the provable. There are plenty of mysteries of the universe that are still unknown but discoverable or provable. Enough to keep us busy for years to come. I see no need to waste time making up unprovable mysteries. But again, to each their own.
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Labels can be useful. Your thinking is not completely unique. I've heard your position and arguments many times before from agnostic theists. Rather than run away from the lablel, you should embrace it, understand it, and perhaps reach out to other like-minded individuals to see how they address the same questions you are dealing with.
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What "stories" would that be?
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Argument from Ignorance / God of the Gaps - a logical fallacy.
Just because we haven't discovered certain answers yet doesn't mean we won't. And even if we never do, so what. What's wrong with saying "I don't know" and leaving it at that, rather than trying to answer a mystery with another mystery.
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So your higher power is nature? Sounds like you're drifting into a somewhat panthesitic worldview.
Pantheism is the belief that everything composes an all-encompassing, immanent God,[1] or that the universe (or nature) is identical with divinity.[2] Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal or anthropomorphic god, but believe that interpretations of the term differ.
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I appreciate the honest answer.
rabbee: what does the word, christian mean. which is the greek word christ, with an ian suffix meaning like. so the question is, are they! are they really messiah/annointed like? or are they just delusionly, claiming to be christian?

do they really preach and teach, from out of TheTorah? since Benee Adam, did not have any new testament to preach and teach from. wasn't He just informing them then, your train is derailed again? and you need to get back, on TheTorah Track.

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So your higher power is nature? Sounds like you're drifting into a somewhat panthesitic worldview.
Pantheism is the belief that everything composes an all-encompassing, immanent God,[1] or that the universe (or nature) is identical with divinity.[2] Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal or anthropomorphic god, but believe that interpretations of the term differ.
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Worship of natural phenomena as individual phenomena is paganism (though there are some that confuse it with pantheism). Worship of the organic whole as a whole is pantheism, or sometimes panentheism, depending on how important you see the whole from the whole.

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Got me through the college years, particularly the weekends.
I preferred the more refined mac and cheese, with that "tasty" stuff that masqueraded as cheese dust.
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Mmmmm....chesse dust/donuts....

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rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: what does the word, christian mean. which is the greek word christ, with an ian suffix meaning like. so the question is, are they! are they really messiah/annointed like? or are they just delusionly, claiming to be christian?
do they really preach and teach, from out of TheTorah? since Benee Adam, did not have any new testament to preach and teach from. wasn't He just informing them then, your train is derailed again? and you need to get back, on TheTorah Track.
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Worship of natural phenomena as individual phenomena is paganism (though there are some that confuse it with pantheism). Worship of the organic whole as a whole is pantheism, or sometimes panentheism, depending on how important you see the whole from the whole.
Let's just call it Nature Worship...

Nature worship describes a variety of religious, spiritual and devotional practices that focus on natural phenomenon. A nature deity can be in charge of nature, the biosphere, the cosmos or the universe. Nature worship can be found in panentheism, pantheism, deism, polytheism, animism, totemism, shamanism and paganism where deities are viewed as the embodiment of natural forces. Common to most forms of nature worship is a spiritual focus on the individual's connection to the natural world and reverence towards it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_worship

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Let's just call it Nature Worship...
Nature worship describes a variety of religious, spiritual and devotional practices that focus on natural phenomenon. A nature deity can be in charge of nature, the biosphere, the cosmos or the universe. Nature worship can be found in panentheism, pantheism, deism, polytheism, animism, totemism, shamanism and paganism where deities are viewed as the embodiment of natural forces. Common to most forms of nature worship is a spiritual focus on the individual's connection to the natural world and reverence towards it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_worship
I can accept that.

Though a more thoughtful pantheist/panentheist/pagan et al might examine what the boundary between nature and man really is....To me, it seems like a false dichotomy. Arent us humans part of nature? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecosystem
if so, what is nature? If not, what is nature?
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PLAGIARISM & JEWISH HYPOCRISY:

THOU SHALT NOT KILL is a hoary universal law of ethics that is anterior to the Tanakh and as such it is not Jewish in origin though it forms part of the Jewish teachings. Ironically, the Hebrew patriarch Moshe preached against non-killing but was himself a mass murderer. LOL.
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Not one of the ten sayings of Moshe/Moses is original.
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PLAGIARISM & JEWISH HYPOCRISY:
THOU SHALT NOT KILL is a hoary universal law of ethics that is anterior to the Tanakh and as such it is not Jewish in origin though it forms part of the Jewish teachings. Ironically, the Hebrew patriarch Moshe preached against non-killing but was himself a mass murderer. LOL.
That's not what it says. You have a bad translation.
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NATURE:

1) NATURE is the graduated manifestation of the source of the universe.

2) Nature has its objective and subjective sides depending on where the consciousness of the individual is stationed.

3) If the individual's consciousness is fully exteriorized as in the vast majority of people then a person feels cut off from the universal currents and thinks that he's separate from the others and from external nature despite knowing in theory that everything is a product of nature.

4) If the consciousness of the person is more sensitive or open then he directly perceives the causal links between his being and others and external nature.

5) The multiple aspects of nature are interconnected as per logic, Bell's Theorem, Systems' Theory and mystical perception.

6) Subjective and objective are mental constructs that depend on the state of consciousness of the individual.

7) There exists only one reality that has multiple aspects when it manifests.
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That's not what it says. You have a bad translation.
Then what is it? Give the exact translation.

Wasn't Moshe a mass murderer like so many of the Hebrew "prophets"?
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Is there any difference between Moshe and Mao - both mass murdering psychopaths?

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