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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#45465 Dec 13, 2012
HughBe--- Do women attach the word PHOBIA to themselves because someone disagrees with a particular behaviour? NO.
Everything for your fellows are PHOBIC when there is no fear much more an IRRATIONAL one.

Former--"Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT).....

HughBe--- Explain how all of that change the fact that a PHOBIA is an IRRATIONAL FEAR? Its application to homosexuality is like the acts of homosexuality a PERVERSION.

Former--As with the term "ethnoreligious."

HughBe--- why engage when you lack the skills-set? Your man Frijoles DEFINITION speaks of UNIFIED religious beliefs and I have demonstrated that Jews don't have a UNIFIED religious beliefs. For one many are SECULAR and have no religion for two others are going to Eastern religions etc. so how can IDIOTS like you and your boy persist with such garbage?


Former--Counseling for what?

HughBe-- Their problems.

Former--How about counseling for having blue eyes or being left-handed?

HughBe--- "It makes about as much sense."

Former--Pedophiles are sexual deviants.

HughBe-- Why? becuse YOU say so? They have no CONTROL over who they are attracted to. It is truly abonormal and sick to play in faeces in peoples bottoms and homosexuals do that.

Former--I lost my virginity as a teenager.

HughBe--- What age?

Former--Why are you obsessed with the sex lives of others?

HughBe-- answer the question

Former--There is evidence of an earth, a sky, oceans, trees etc. But no evidence of how or why it all got here.

HughBe--- They made themselves. You know that such a view is consistent with your own experience and common sense.

Former--I didn't say they made themselves.

Why do you put words in my mouth?

HughBe--- I shall not be putting anything else but that is not what I did. Read with care.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#45466 Dec 13, 2012
former res wrote:
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This is yet another area where you would benefit from some education.
Being gay is not simply a behavior.
It is who and what these folks are.
I'm guessing on occasion your loins have lusted and ached for you to mount a female.
This urge is part of what defines you as a human being. Much like the areas of our tongues that help us to enjoy sweet or salty foods.
Sit down and have a chat with a guy person. It won't "rub off" on you - I promise.
They will tell you:
It's NOT just what we do - it's WHO we are.
Former--Being gay is not simply a behavior.

HughBe-- Correct, it is a MENTAL health matter.
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#45467 Dec 13, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe---What RELIGION did the 10 Northern Tribes of Israel have?
Former--I don't know offhand.
HughBe--- It is reflected in the nonsense that you speak on the matter. Take it from me it was NOT Judaism. God called them Jews. Are you and your masters GREATER than God?
I was being so amused by FR routing of your illogic that I wasnt going to intercede, but perhaps nows the time....

The Northern kingdom was practicing the type of Judaism that was common from that time. Judaism has never been static, it evolves with the times (We are not Christian literalists)

Getting hung up on the name (i.e. Northern Kingdom vs Judah)as "proof" for the nonexistence of the term "Judaism" is a red herring. Because there is no Hebrew word called "Judaism" in the first place. It is an English term. In Hebrew there isnt even a word for religion. The closest term we have is "the law".

The notion that you can seperate "Religion" out as a separate category from the culture (which I acknowledge we Jews do now in common conversation) is foreign to the Hebraic way of thinking. It probably came later from the Greeks who pioneered the notion of Philosophy.



HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#45468 Dec 13, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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I already knew that, and you are a perfect example.
Your words tell me that you are a Juadite. No Muslim or Christian or Hindu would LIE so easily and in that way.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#45469 Dec 13, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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alraedy adressed that
Please - provide us new material. We are dying here.
It is not fair to put hell on JACKASS back. Carry what you have first and then you shall be give new and more things to carry in that little head of yours.
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#45470 Dec 13, 2012
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/word/archive.ht...
01-16-07 / Religion (&#1488;&#1512;&#1 495; orahh, Strong's #734): One word that is probably most assiciated with the Bible is religion. In reality there is no Biblical Hebrew word for religion and you will never find the word religion in any translation of the Hebrew Bible (Tenach/Old Testament). To the Ancient Hebrews, their religion was their lifestyle and covered all aspects of life from worship to using the latrine (see Deuteronomy 23:13,14). The Hebrew word orahh can mean a path used by travelers as well as the path of life, a lifestyle.


http://www.balashon.com/2006/03/dat.html
The word dat -&#1491;&#1514; appears approximately 20 times in Megilat Esther. The meaning in the megila is "law" or "custom". Over time the word was adopted into Hebrew as "religion", as discussed here. In modern Hebrew we have dati as religious, and the Ashkenazic pronunciation gives us dosim, which has a derogatory tone in secular Israeli culture.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#45471 Dec 13, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Thank you for supporting my previous point that your final motive is to push your version of Replacement Theology
Sorry, not buying it.
YOOU and your overlords have REPLACED God's words with man-made nonsense. All I am doing is pointing to what is in the scriptures and I SHALL continue to do so.

YOOOU and your masters want to replace the Jewish people who do not want to be enslaved by them.

Now read slooooly once more. Ask for help in understanding my words.

HughBe--- Really? What RELIGION did the TEN tribes perpetually observe? Was it your CORRUPTED Judaism? NO.

Once again---
Frijoles--Jews are am ETHNO-RELIGIOUS group - see above

HughBe--- In the given context, explain ethno-religious.
I am waiting for you to explain ethno-religious in the context that many Jews are NOT religious period and also in the context that you and your rabbis persist with BLATANT LIES.

The 10 Northern tribes of Israel did NOT observe JUDAISM. An understanding of these things say that yOU are a LIAR and of course your rabbis.

Plus God called them Israel and Jews e.g. Jeremiah 44. Do you want me to refresh your memory? I taught YOU this truth already but here goes.

Jeremiah 44:1 "The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the JEWS which dwell in the land of Egypt"

HughBe---Do you see the word JEWS?

Verse 15-16 "Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto OTHER gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying,
16 As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, WE will NOT hearken unto thee."

HughBe---Indeed classic Judaism being displayed i.e. the REJECTION of God and His TRUTH. Now the incense goes to the rabbis.

ANSWER THIS---- what religion were these JEWS observing in the passage, young Frijie?
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#45472 Dec 13, 2012
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
It is not fair to put hell on JACKASS back. Carry what you have first and then you shall be give new and more things to carry in that little head of yours.
not very helpful
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#45473 Dec 13, 2012
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Your words tell me that you are a Juadite. No Muslim or Christian or Hindu would LIE so easily and in that way.
You never gave us your definition of a Juadite.

Since that word is not found anywhere, except apparently for your own private vocabulary, we must rely on your good graces to tell us what you mean.
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#45474 Dec 13, 2012
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
YOOU and your overlords have REPLACED God's words with man-made nonsense. All I am doing is pointing to what is in the scriptures and I SHALL continue to do so.
YOOOU and your masters want to replace the Jewish people who do not want to be enslaved by them.
Now read slooooly once more. Ask for help in understanding my words.
HughBe--- Really? What RELIGION did the TEN tribes perpetually observe? Was it your CORRUPTED Judaism? NO.
Once again---
Frijoles--Jews are am ETHNO-RELIGIOUS group - see above
HughBe--- In the given context, explain ethno-religious.
I am waiting for you to explain ethno-religious in the context that many Jews are NOT religious period and also in the context that you and your rabbis persist with BLATANT LIES.
The 10 Northern tribes of Israel did NOT observe JUDAISM. An understanding of these things say that yOU are a LIAR and of course your rabbis.
Plus God called them Israel and Jews e.g. Jeremiah 44. Do you want me to refresh your memory? I taught YOU this truth already but here goes.
Jeremiah 44:1 "The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the JEWS which dwell in the land of Egypt"
HughBe---Do you see the word JEWS?
Verse 15-16 "Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto OTHER gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying,
16 As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, WE will NOT hearken unto thee."
HughBe---Indeed classic Judaism being displayed i.e. the REJECTION of God and His TRUTH. Now the incense goes to the rabbis.
ANSWER THIS---- what religion were these JEWS observing in the passage, young Frijie?
already addressed multiple times

please move on
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#45475 Dec 13, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Actually it does matter.
Which covenant? There were several.
Frijoles--Actually it does matter.
Which covenant? There were several

HughBe--- are YOU a TOTAL fool? The issue is not which covenant the issue is that GOD made a covenant with Israel.

HughBe---Jews had a Jewish IDENTITY before they got "Judaism". They had a Jewish IDENTITY when God made a covenant with them.

Frijoles--- Actually that is untrue
1. You have yet to specify WHICH covenant you meant
HughBe--- look here rabbinic moron my statement is true. I'm using Jew as it is currently used for the 12 tribes. Israel would be technically correct.

The FACT is God made a COVENANT with a people called Israel/JEWS. They were not NAMED at the time of making the covenant.They already had the name and the IDENTITY being descendants of Israel hence ISRAELITES. Get it moron?

Finally, rabbinic moron, it matters not which covenant what is important is that God made a covenant with Israel. Don't your masters teach you these basic things
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#45476 Dec 13, 2012
in particular see 45467 and 45470
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#45477 Dec 13, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Nor was there a people yet. Just an idea. A conception.
I already stated this.
Was Abraham an idea? Why do WE call the idea Abraham a PATRIARCH?

Every idiot knows that one man, Abraham, is NOT a people.

Israel is the father of the Israelites.

What is your private definition of Israelites?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#45478 Dec 13, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
Hughbe
are you capable of posting without calling anybody names?
This isnt Sunday School kindergarden.
Yes dear but your stupidity among other things get to me. I shall try.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#45479 Dec 13, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I was being so amused by FR routing of your illogic that I wasnt going to intercede, but perhaps nows the time....
The Northern kingdom was practicing the type of Judaism that was common from that time. Judaism has never been static, it evolves with the times (We are not Christian literalists)
Getting hung up on the name (i.e. Northern Kingdom vs Judah)as "proof" for the nonexistence of the term "Judaism" is a red herring. Because there is no Hebrew word called "Judaism" in the first place. It is an English term. In Hebrew there isnt even a word for religion. The closest term we have is "the law".
The notion that you can seperate "Religion" out as a separate category from the culture (which I acknowledge we Jews do now in common conversation) is foreign to the Hebraic way of thinking. It probably came later from the Greeks who pioneered the notion of Philosophy.
Frijoles---The Northern kingdom was practicing the type of Judaism that was common from that time. Judaism has never been static, it evolves with the times

HughBe--- They were in IDOLATRY. They REJECTED God and His words and that is why they went into captivity. So I will not contest that you are CORRECT about it being "Judaism" BUT it was NOT what God commanded.
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#45480 Dec 13, 2012
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Was Abraham an idea? Why do WE call the idea Abraham a PATRIARCH?
Every idiot knows that one man, Abraham, is NOT a people.
Israel is the father of the Israelites.
What is your private definition of Israelites?
Which covenant are you referring to?
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#45481 Dec 13, 2012
Alias50 wrote:
I've never seen one religion so persecuted throughout the annals of history. To have survived and thrived as they have speaks volumes of their resiliency and perseverance. Respect.
rabbee: i can assure you, that their existance today. has little or nothing to do, with their lack of effort claimed as effort. they do not dictate, how this story actually happens to G-D. otherwise there would be, more vain jews than carter has little liver pills. nor would their be, any christians, muslems, buddists, agnostics, atheists, or other pagans in existance today.

the existance of jews today, is all been predetermined by G-D. and not by you, me, the jews, or anyone else not here in ThisStory of Creation precisely all again. This is the way, This Story of Creation has always happened before, to the world forever rejecting their physically being here in IT. no different than all the other thousands and thousands of other third and fourth visitations G-D has before given IT All.

and according to scripture, i am the only One here in TheTorah today. just like all the other previous times you all claimed to not be here in IT. for this exact same precise time again, nearing the end of the sixth day. cause you are all, living in some fantacy unreal not here story of creation versions from the subtle beasts of the fields. even though TheTorah Happening is the only story TheG-D of All Physical Creation is giving again.
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#45482 Dec 13, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Frijoles---The Northern kingdom was practicing the type of Judaism that was common from that time. Judaism has never been static, it evolves with the times
HughBe--- They were in IDOLATRY. They REJECTED God and His words and that is why they went into captivity. So I will not contest that you are CORRECT about it being "Judaism" BUT it was NOT what God commanded.
You are back to evangelizing again. Not helpful.

Sit in the penalty box.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#45483 Dec 13, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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You never gave us your definition of a Juadite.
Since that word is not found anywhere, except apparently for your own private vocabulary, we must rely on your good graces to tell us what you mean.
Frijoles---You never gave us your definition of a Juadite.

HughBe--- Untrue I did many times. Judaites= members of Judaism
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#45484 Dec 13, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Yes dear but your stupidity among other things get to me. I shall try.
Hughbe, honestly, has ANYBODY ever accepted your ideas?

I wonder why not. not.

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