Sex offender proposal withdrawn

Sex offender proposal withdrawn

There are 26 comments on the Silver City Sun-News story from Oct 13, 2010, titled Sex offender proposal withdrawn. In it, Silver City Sun-News reports that:

Silver City Town Councilor Simon Wheaton-Smith said Tuesday that he is withdrawing an ordinance he introduced regarding sex offender residency requirements.

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“Just Eat Me!”

Since: Jul 10

1st row passed the tomatoes

#1 Oct 14, 2010
Great!!!! Not only do we have perverts working in our schools, they get to live next to them to!!! Why can't the towns people get their heads out of their a$$ and realize we have a BIG issue with sex offenders and it needs to be taken care of!!!
ZnaeymvR

O Fallon, MO

#2 Oct 14, 2010
There is no "big problem" with sex offenders. There is only the over-reporting of them done by the media, and the abuse of them by overzealous lawmakers, prosecutors and judges. Sex offenders have the LOWEST rate of recidivism out of almost all other felony offenses. Plus, the term "sex offender" is a misnomer, as it can refer to someone caught for public urination, the 18 year old that had consensual sex with a 16 year old, or the streaker that did so as a prank, NOT just child molesters. The city made the RIGHT CALL. Such ordinances do absolutely nothing and cost far more money than they are worth, especially after a couple of lawsuits to challenge them (which are usually won). I am happy to see a city that uses common sense and does its homework first.
oh---ok---right-

Santa Fe, NM

#3 Oct 15, 2010
ZnaeymvR wrote:
There is no "big problem" with sex offenders. There is only the over-reporting of them done by the media, and the abuse of them by overzealous lawmakers, prosecutors and judges. Sex offenders have the LOWEST rate of recidivism out of almost all other felony offenses. Plus, the term "sex offender" is a misnomer, as it can refer to someone caught for public urination, the 18 year old that had consensual sex with a 16 year old, or the streaker that did so as a prank, NOT just child molesters. The city made the RIGHT CALL. Such ordinances do absolutely nothing and cost far more money than they are worth, especially after a couple of lawsuits to challenge them (which are usually won). I am happy to see a city that uses common sense and does its homework first.
YOU are sadly misinformed. There is a HUGE problem with sex offenders in that they have the HIGHEST rates of recividism! There is NO cure for them. It's been proven time and time again.
Get your facts straight....lest someone may believe you have a hidden agenda.

“Just Eat Me!”

Since: Jul 10

1st row passed the tomatoes

#4 Oct 15, 2010
ZnaeymvR wrote:
There is no "big problem" with sex offenders. There is only the over-reporting of them done by the media, and the abuse of them by overzealous lawmakers, prosecutors and judges. Sex offenders have the LOWEST rate of recidivism out of almost all other felony offenses. Plus, the term "sex offender" is a misnomer, as it can refer to someone caught for public urination, the 18 year old that had consensual sex with a 16 year old, or the streaker that did so as a prank, NOT just child molesters. The city made the RIGHT CALL. Such ordinances do absolutely nothing and cost far more money than they are worth, especially after a couple of lawsuits to challenge them (which are usually won). I am happy to see a city that uses common sense and does its homework first.
We may be a small town..but we do have BIG problem with sex offenders here...We have a lot of problems with violence, and drugs to..You need to wake up and smell the coffee and stop living in denile like the Silver Police Department... Its time the ciy takes back what belongs to us...and protect our children since no one else will!!!!
Newbie

Albuquerque, NM

#5 Oct 15, 2010
This town is full of disposable children and their ignorant parents.
huh

Silver City, NM

#6 Oct 15, 2010
Chalk one up for the sex offenders. Check out the NM Department of Corrections sex offender data base and be informed. don't speak before you are informed. Did you fellow forum users know we have a homeless sex offender who's address is the corner of Hwy 180, and the 32nd Street bypass road?
johnst

Brockton, MA

#7 Oct 16, 2010
I prosecute sex offenders for a living and many of them deseve longer prison sentences. The fact however that people such as ok ok right sit there and ignore the FACT that these people actualy have one of the LOWEST Recidavism rates in the country (done by our own govt.) Makes our job harder because it shows how people waste time and money on the scare tactics put out by the very people that pay my salary. Lock them up longer and get them treatment!
oh---ok---right-

Santa Fe, NM

#8 Oct 16, 2010
johnst wrote:
I prosecute sex offenders for a living and many of them deseve longer prison sentences. The fact however that people such as ok ok right sit there and ignore the FACT that these people actualy have one of the LOWEST Recidavism rates in the country (done by our own govt.) Makes our job harder because it shows how people waste time and money on the scare tactics put out by the very people that pay my salary. Lock them up longer and get them treatment!
This is simply NOT TRUE!
Don't trust the government stats. Open your eyes and SEE what is going on around you.
cfcamericadotorg

Palmer, AK

#9 Oct 18, 2010
Thank God Some People are beginning to actually LISTEN TO ALL THE RESEARCH THAT HAS BEEN DONE.

Great Reporting, Great Action by those who investigated these insane laws.

If you or your family members are being harmed by these insane sex offender laws, contact us.
We are a national organization.
Citizens for Change, America
LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD
http://www.cfcamerica.org
cfcamericadotorg

Palmer, AK

#10 Oct 18, 2010
oh---ok---right- wrote:
<quoted text>YOU are sadly misinformed. There is a HUGE problem with sex offenders in that they have the HIGHEST rates of recividism! There is NO cure for them. It's been proven time and time again.
Get your facts straight....lest someone may believe you have a hidden agenda.
Really, your comment is NOT even worth responding to as you have totally NO data to support your inflammatory remarks.

Many studies, Many.. with large amounts of ex offenders have been done.
The recidivism rates are lower than for any other crime.

Please, get quit telling your lies to inflame the public.
For much information, and some FACTS on recidivism, look at this link.
http://bit.ly/bjDZGZ

Many documents for download showing facts...www.cfcamerica.org

Comments like yours are what caused all these insane laws to begin with.
With all due respect, and in humility... You should not say things like you are saying, these laws harm a LOT of innocent children of ex offenders.. what happens to the ex offender happens to the children of ex offenders.
These laws harm children.
I can back up everything I say with facts.
cfcamericadotorg

Palmer, AK

#11 Oct 18, 2010
johnst wrote:
I prosecute sex offenders for a living and many of them deseve longer prison sentences. The fact however that people such as ok ok right sit there and ignore the FACT that these people actualy have one of the LOWEST Recidavism rates in the country (done by our own govt.) Makes our job harder because it shows how people waste time and money on the scare tactics put out by the very people that pay my salary. Lock them up longer and get them treatment!
Some of what you say is true.
To cure the problem many steps need to be taken.
Some of those steps will never occur.
1.To curtail crime one must change the Thoughts of people.
Saturating the minds of the citizens with rape, all manner of sexual activity including sexual violence and calling it entertainment is creating the people who go out and commit sexual crimes. To put a stop to the saturation of all media with all the sex and violence would be a beginning. That will NEVER happen.
So,
2.To fix the problem, it all has to be done at sentencing. If a person is found guilty, make it a law that all are required to have a psychiatric evaluation by a licensed psychiatrist or board of psychs to determine if the crime was a 1 timer or the person shows a propensity to commit more crimes. Sentence the person accordingly.Then, while they are locked up.. treat them. Do not warehouse them in a gladiator school for years then turn them loose on the world.
3. Remove the public registry and build support networks for those released. Focus on parole and probation as means to oversee a person for a time. If they get a job, a home.. start building a crime free life.. leave the the hell alone. No More Branding. If a person is shown to be a threat to society, sentence them accordingly. Do not let them go.

These steps will curtail the amount of people who commit these crimes.
The present laws INSURE more crime. The present promotion of sexual violence in the media as entertainment is what is causing these crimes to begin with.

The only way to stop crime is to change the way people view other people.

If you think laws can stop crime, omg, you have a sad awakening coming.
With all due respect, and humility.. I have attempted to address this situation.
Thank you.
cfcamericadotorg

Palmer, AK

#12 Oct 18, 2010
DrCuCUMber wrote:
Great!!!! Not only do we have perverts working in our schools, they get to live next to them to!!! Why can't the towns people get their heads out of their a$$ and realize we have a BIG issue with sex offenders and it needs to be taken care of!!!
Please, tell us. How would you solve the problem.

Also, do you know where all those who drive drunk live?
How about all the crooked politicians?
How about those who love to date married women?
List all the crimes one can commit and please, tell me, where do they live?

If you want your children to be safe, the only way you can do that is to keep them where you can see them...
While you feel safe that an ex sex offender cannot live within 1000 feet of your school, your child who is in the next room is being molested by your brother, or your dad.. or by the youth leader.. or grandpa.. or cousin joe, or aunt Cindy... or at school by that teacher...
Anyone you trust will be the ones to molest or rape.
95 percent of the time.
Look up the statistics. I speak truth.
And another thing... when you let your son or daughter go spend the night with his or her best friend... that is when they will be molested.

I am saddened to say, if you cannot see your children.. they can be raped or molested.

Americans have decided to kick GOD out of our schools, government and our homes...
This country is reaping what they are sowing...

You think it s bad now, wait about 10 years.
cfcamericadotorg

Palmer, AK

#13 Oct 18, 2010
To Mayor James Marshall and Simon Wheaton-Smith I applaud your wisdom and strength to actually make informed decisions.
I wish the rest of the nation of lawmakers would follow your LEAD in choosing to actually use all the many facts which have come from all the studies in your decision making.
Again, I applaud you.

To Terrance Vestal.
Thank you for writing this article.
You have done the nation a great service.
Your article will be spread around the globe. I assure you.

The truth is finally being told about all these insane laws which harm citizens.
Thank you again.
Roberts

United States

#14 Oct 18, 2010
cfcamericadotorg wrote:
<quoted text>
Really, your comment is NOT even worth responding to as you have totally NO data to support your inflammatory remarks.
Many studies, Many.. with large amounts of ex offenders have been done.
The recidivism rates are lower than for any other crime.
Please, get quit telling your lies to inflame the public.
For much information, and some FACTS on recidivism, look at this link.
http://bit.ly/bjDZGZ
Many documents for download showing facts...www.cfcamerica.org
Comments like yours are what caused all these insane laws to begin with.
With all due respect, and in humility... You should not say things like you are saying, these laws harm a LOT of innocent children of ex offenders.. what happens to the ex offender happens to the children of ex offenders.
These laws harm children.
I can back up everything I say with facts.
Sounds like the words of an experienced sex offender.

“Just Eat Me!”

Since: Jul 10

1st row passed the tomatoes

#15 Oct 18, 2010
cfcamericadotorg wrote:
<quoted text>
Please, tell us. How would you solve the problem.
Also, do you know where all those who drive drunk live?
How about all the crooked politicians?
How about those who love to date married women?
List all the crimes one can commit and please, tell me, where do they live?
If you want your children to be safe, the only way you can do that is to keep them where you can see them...
While you feel safe that an ex sex offender cannot live within 1000 feet of your school, your child who is in the next room is being molested by your brother, or your dad.. or by the youth leader.. or grandpa.. or cousin joe, or aunt Cindy... or at school by that teacher...
Anyone you trust will be the ones to molest or rape.
95 percent of the time.
Look up the statistics. I speak truth.
And another thing... when you let your son or daughter go spend the night with his or her best friend... that is when they will be molested.
I am saddened to say, if you cannot see your children.. they can be raped or molested.
Americans have decided to kick GOD out of our schools, government and our homes...
This country is reaping what they are sowing...
You think it s bad now, wait about 10 years.
I never said that I think my kids are safer since a sex offender can't be with in 1000 ft from a school...(Its a great law, btw)
I'm saying that I agree with posting signs, and doing what ever can be done to warn the community that a monster is living amoung them.
If I had a sex offender in my family..You better believe I'd be posting the sighn in their yard myself.(Lucky for me, I don't)
These people are sick, and no amount of counsling, jail time, medication is going to help them. We as a community need to know who these sick people are.
Being married and sleeping around isn't against the law..IT MAY BE WRONG..But your not going to go to jail..
oh---ok---right-

Albuquerque, NM

#16 Oct 19, 2010
cfcamericadotorg wrote:
<quoted text>
Really, your comment is NOT even worth responding to as you have totally NO data to support your inflammatory remarks.
Many studies, Many.. with large amounts of ex offenders have been done.
The recidivism rates are lower than for any other crime.
Please, get quit telling your lies to inflame the public.
For much information, and some FACTS on recidivism, look at this link.
http://bit.ly/bjDZGZ
Many documents for download showing facts...www.cfcamerica.org
Comments like yours are what caused all these insane laws to begin with.
With all due respect, and in humility... You should not say things like you are saying, these laws harm a LOT of innocent children of ex offenders.. what happens to the ex offender happens to the children of ex offenders.
These laws harm children.
I can back up everything I say with facts.
Wow-looks like we may have hit a nerve here americadot!
check this out- http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/08/28/recidiv...
read that and you will see that - Sex offenders were less likely than non-sex offenders to be rearrested for any offense –– 43 percent of sex offenders versus 68 percent of non-sex offenders. But sex offenders were about four times more likely than non-sex offenders to be arrested for another sex crime after their discharge from prison –– 5.3 percent of sex offenders versus 1.3 percent of non-sex offenders.

Click here for the full report.°

That tells you that SO's are FOUR TIMES MORE LIKELY than non SO's to be arrested for another sex crime after their prison discharge. So while you were partially correct with your info, you weren't telling the whole story.
You need to compare apples to apples and not pick and choose the info you like to repeat.
or just get a job at the Sun-News as they appear to like that type of reporting.
oh---ok---right-

Albuquerque, NM

#17 Oct 19, 2010
and what is an "ex-sex offender" ?

Really?
Once a baby raper, always a baby raper in my book.
Al Reine

Albuquerque, NM

#18 Oct 19, 2010
cfcamericadotorg wrote:
<quoted text>
Please, tell us. How would you solve the problem.
Also, do you know where all those who drive drunk live?
How about all the crooked politicians?
How about those who love to date married women?
The solution is simple, but touchy-feely libs like you won't ever agree to it. It's called "two to the chest and one to the head".
That would be MY solution to ALL of your list. I hope one of these "non-repeat sex offenders moves in next door to you. Got any kids? Got a nice-looking wife? Let's see how much YOU concentrate on your day job while "Charger Charlie the Child Molester" is wandering around YOUR house.
cfcamericadotorg

Wasilla, AK

#19 Oct 19, 2010
Actually, the most recent and conclusive studies done with the most amount of ex offenders is shown here:
http://bit.ly/bjDZGZ

You can try to assassinate my character but the facts remain.

These laws are irrational and studies have shown not only non productive but also cost prohibitive.

The time has come to not only know but also USE all the empirical findings of the many professional studies.

Creating and enforcing laws which were created by emotionally charged individuals and communities in an effort to protect society but ignoring common sense is insanity.
Only now, after many of these laws have been in place for a good period of time are the reports and statistics finally coming in.

You took the time to post one dated piece of data.. now enrich your knowledge and read the studies I have supplied you.
Then, come back and post again. Please.
Thank you for your time.
Just trying to help.
cfcamericadotorg

Wasilla, AK

#20 Oct 19, 2010
PS, Not all who are labeled as sex offenders are people who have raped or molested little children.

Painting all who wear that label as monsters is purely an ignorant action.

That said not in a demeaning manner, but with all due respect.

The time for hysteria in lawmaking is past.

There is a wealth of knowledge to be had in this matter if one truly wants to do the right thing.

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