11-year-old killed in ATV wreck

An 11-year-old boy was killed in an all-terrain vehicle wreck on Monday. Ashton Potter was visiting family in the Siloam Springs area when he died on Monday. Full Story
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Shorty Bishop

Eagar, AZ

#1 May 30, 2006
Where were the parents when this child was allowed the use of an ATV with no helmet and no supervision?

They should be charged with Child Endangerment, a form of abuse, and certainly Child Neglect.

Shorty - former aw enforcement
mari -stpaularkansas

Elkins, AR

#2 May 30, 2006
Shorty Bishop wrote:
Where were the parents when this child was allowed the use of an ATV with no helmet and no supervision?
They should be charged with Child Endangerment, a form of abuse, and certainly Child Neglect.
Shorty - former aw enforcement
The family was visiting family in Arkansas. The family is from California. The accident happened right behind them. The boy went up a small dirt hill and the ATV came back and toppled on him. Dont go blaming anybody till you know the story. Yes, he had no helmet but we have no helmet law in Arkansas.
Bishop-former Benton Co

Eagar, AZ

#3 May 30, 2006
This is a discussion forum - right? I am entitled to my opinion just as you are yours. The bottom line is that the boy is dead. Any responsible parent would have ensured a child's safety, he shouldn't have been operating the ATV at his age; an 11 year old cannot possibly have the judgement necessary for this sort of motorized contraption. The parents are negligent, coming from California where there is a helmet law. Common sense may have kept the boy alive.
mari -stpaularkansas

Elkins, AR

#4 May 31, 2006
Bishop-former Benton Co wrote:
This is a discussion forum - right? I am entitled to my opinion just as you are yours. The bottom line is that the boy is dead. Any responsible parent would have ensured a child's safety, he shouldn't have been operating the ATV at his age; an 11 year old cannot possibly have the judgement necessary for this sort of motorized contraption. The parents are negligent, coming from California where there is a helmet law. Common sense may have kept the boy alive.
That is very rude most of us from the Ozarks are raised to run ATV. It was a accident and you should be ashamed for blaming parents at a time like this.The boy took off with a friend pure and simple. Lay off the parents!!!!!!!
Bishop-former Benton Co

Seattle, WA

#5 May 31, 2006
Strange isn't it. Two more young kids have just died this past weekend over in the Farmington/Elkins area from "running" ATVs. How many more will die before you "parents" wise up? Rude? JEEEEZZZ, wake up. Parental supervision is the key word.
mari -stpaularkansas

Elkins, AR

#6 May 31, 2006
Bishop-former Benton Co wrote:
Strange isn't it. Two more young kids have just died this past weekend over in the Farmington/Elkins area from "running" ATVs. How many more will die before you "parents" wise up? Rude? JEEEEZZZ, wake up. Parental supervision is the key word.
Why dont you contact the parents and see what they have to say. And wake up?? My kids ride them but with helmets and everything but like i said accidents happen. Autombiles are just as bad on the rode
Bishop-former Benton Co

United States

#7 Jun 1, 2006
Good for you, Mari in St Paul. Clearly you are a responsible parent, your kids wear helmets (in a helmetless law state) and you have taught them to ride responsibly.

No I don't have to contact the parents, but I have contacted Judge Paul Black in Bentonville who agrees with me and is passing my message to the Benton County Sheriff.

You're right, automobiles take many lives and scar others for life. I am from Benton County originally and am retired law enforcement here in Arizona.

I've witnessed so many needless deaths and don't want to see any more, especially kids. I've had enough for one lifetime.

Shorty
mari -stpaularkansas

Elkins, AR

#8 Jun 1, 2006
Bishop-former Benton Co wrote:
Good for you, Mari in St Paul. Clearly you are a responsible parent, your kids wear helmets (in a helmetless law state) and you have taught them to ride responsibly.
No I don't have to contact the parents, but I have contacted Judge Paul Black in Bentonville who agrees with me and is passing my message to the Benton County Sheriff.
You're right, automobiles take many lives and scar others for life. I am from Benton County originally and am retired law enforcement here in Arizona.
I've witnessed so many needless deaths and don't want to see any more, especially kids. I've had enough for one lifetime.
Shorty
I pray that nothing happens to my girls like that but you know we cant shelter them forever and seeing what you have seen i understand your comment. Wish we can change things but we cant and thats sad but maybe all the other kids that have seen the news about it will be more careful and wear safety gear.
Tom Saufley

United States

#9 Apr 24, 2007
Shorty:

You're in AZ, right? I'm trying to find some information regarding the use of ATVs by minors in the state of AZ. My son was injured in an ATV accident. The mother purchased the ATV for his 11th birthday, and he was injured the day before his birthday, broken leg (3 places) and 8 stitches. I live in WV, and, if this accident had occurred here, we've been informed the mother could have been charged with child endangerment, etc., because of his age. I believe it is also a requirement that an ATV safety course be taken prior to usage. Could you please shed some light on this matter? Thanks!

Tom
Tracy

Fort Smith, AR

#10 May 2, 2007
Bishop-former Benton Co wrote:
Strange isn't it. Two more young kids have just died this past weekend over in the Farmington/Elkins area from "running" ATVs. How many more will die before you "parents" wise up? Rude? JEEEEZZZ, wake up. Parental supervision is the key word.
I'm sure the parents of these children have enough guilt already, they do not need people like you condeming them. If they were my children and you just made this remark about them, we would have some words. I agree that children should be supervised and should be required to where helmets, but regardless people still get killed when taking necessary precautions. Accidents happen when we least expect them, so quit pointing fingers until you really know what happened. JEEEEZZZ, Just have some respect!
former Arkie

Pampa, TX

#11 May 2, 2007
mari -stpaularkansas wrote:
<quoted text>
Why dont you contact the parents and see what they have to say. And wake up?? My kids ride them but with helmets and everything but like i said accidents happen. Autombiles are just as bad on the rode
spelled ROAD --- Helmets are common sense. You don't have to be a genius to see that. Parents are grief stricken I'm sure, but they're not blameless.
Shorty in Arizona

Show Low, AZ

#12 May 3, 2007
Attempting to reply to Tom in WV; I haven't checked this site in many months; just saw your posting today (3 May 2007) Sorry I'm late.

I've been retired for nearly 20 years from AZ law enforcment (Tucson) and will be checking with friends still on the job about the current law regarding ATVs, including safety course requirements.

I'll get back to you ASAP.

Shorty
Shorty in Arizona

Show Low, AZ

#13 May 3, 2007
For Tom in WV:

RE: ATV requirements for juveniles: I cannot as yet identify a specific law requiring a safety course, however I still have people checking. I will get back to you when I get positive word.

ARIZONA REVISED STATUTES 28-964; 28-952 and 28-953 state in effect that any operator or passenger under 18 MUST wear a protective helmet safely secured.

And; UNLESS there is a protective windshield, all operators and passengers must wear protective glasses, goggles or a transparent face shield.

ATVs must have a rear view mirror, seat and foot rest for both operator and passenger; also the handlebars MUST be above the operator's shoulder height.

You can also Google Arizona Revised Statute 28 (Motor Vehicle Code), then type in All Terrain Vehicle.

Also you can use your Search Engine to access

http://pimasheriff.com/DO/sanxavieratvtips.ht...

for further information.

As for the parent being held liable for non-supervision and especially when a minor child is injured; under Arizona Law the parent can be charged with child neglect; child endangerment. This is for any situation, not just ATV operation.

Asking parents just to use common sense; see that your child has the proper equipment AND, whether or not required by state law, please get them into a safety course.

As for you, Miss Tracy in Rogers, you and I would have MORE THAN WORDS if your child were injured on my watch because of your ack of supervision: translated neglect. You and I would see the Judge.

You had best read Former Arkie of Pampa Texas (above) and get a grip on reality. Your tone indicates you are willing to let come what may and then "grieve" after the fact --- total irresponsibility on your part. Have you ever heard of prevention measures?

Have seen a couple of hundred like you out here .. some with kids in the morgue. And as I told Mari of St Paul, AR in June 2006 this is enough for one lifetime.

Shorty

Shorty in Arizona

Show Low, AZ

#14 May 3, 2007
BACK TO TOM IN WV:

RETYPING THE LINK TO THE PIMA COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPT (ARIZONA) RE ATV SAFETY AND OTHER TIPS:

http://pimasheriff.com/DO/sanxavieratvtips.ht...

SORRY FOR THE ERROR IN THE MESSAGE ABOVE

Shorty
Shorty in Arizona

Show Low, AZ

#15 May 3, 2007
Tom Saufley wrote:
Shorty:
You're in AZ, right? I'm trying to find some information regarding the use of ATVs by minors in the state of AZ. My son was injured in an ATV accident. The mother purchased the ATV for his 11th birthday, and he was injured the day before his birthday, broken leg (3 places) and 8 stitches. I live in WV, and, if this accident had occurred here, we've been informed the mother could have been charged with child endangerment, etc., because of his age. I believe it is also a requirement that an ATV safety course be taken prior to usage. Could you please shed some light on this matter? Thanks!
Tom
To Tom

I have replied both on and off line to you .. assuming this comes directly to your private Email address. Please let me know? Shorty
Shorty in Arizona

Show Low, AZ

#16 May 3, 2007
TO: TOM SAUFLEY IN WV

Further to your request

Suggest that you Google

http://www.keytlaw.com/az/ars/arstitle13.htm

for the Arizona Criminal Code
Title 13

Scroll down the page to

Chapter 36 - Family Offenses
13-3619 addresses child neglect/endangerment in broad terms.

Two police officers have advised there is no mandatory law in Arizona for an ATV safety course for any operator, juvenile or not.

Shorty

missingashton

AOL

#17 May 17, 2007
I am the mother of this child you all have been discussing. Just to fill you in on the Facts!!!! My child was always supervised, and wore a helmet. He and his cousin went outside to play, when we heard the ATV start I got up and made my way to the door to tell them to get off, my baby started crying, I told my sister where his bottle was, and heard screaming!!! This happened in less than 3 minutes, the keys were left in the ATV, do you go around the house your visiting and check every ingnition of someone elses vehicle to make sure the keys are removed? You are talking about an 11 year old boy, who even though he was a good boy, he sometimes wanted to have fun more than listen to instructions of safety. He should not have had acsess to the ATV, which was not my ATV, nor his. It is easy to point the finger and cast judgement on something that you have very little facts about. We had been there on vacation for 2 weeks, which the kids had rode and enjoyed the ATV's supervised and with helmets, I don't know why they decided to take off for a quick ride when we weren't out there and without helmets, my sisters kids were allowed to, but my son was not!!! But your right I should have went around someone elses property, and checked all of the ignitions, and had cameras to monitor 11, and 13 year old boys, and I should have ran at the speed of light to stop them. You all are some cold blooded people, have you ever lost a child? Has you life and heart been ripped into a million peices? Have you had to lay in the rocks and dirt and hold your lifeless boy, begging God for life? To live with the I should have , only if. How dare you! You know nothing about me, or my parenting. I am as over protective as they come, so much so that I home schooled Ashton for 3 years!!!!!!! That boy was my life and my world, he was a straight A student, a football star, and an awesome Christian! But he was still a boy, and he used bad judgment, and had he lived he would have been grounded for even sitting on the ATV without a helmet!!!! But thanks for twisting the knife that is already in my heart!
Shorty Benton Co AR

Mcnary, AZ

#18 May 20, 2007
Suggest you Google the N W Arkansas Times for the article posted Saturday May 19, 2007 about 3 more 14-year-olds who on May 12, 2007 weekend survived a near tragic ATV accident in the West Fork of the White River after the 14 year old DRIVER lost control of the ATV.

This article is by Kate Ward, a reporter for the Northwest Arkansas Times and quotes the aunt of the driver as saying "If they were weearing their helmets, a lot of their injuries could have been prevented."

All the 14-year-olds were transported to, and hospitalized at, Washington Regional Medical Center in Fayetteville with life-threatening injuries.

This article cites statistics by a physician with Arkansas Children's Hospital in Little Rock including that, last year, 15 Arkansas residents were killed in ATV related accidents, mostly children.

"The American Academy of Pediatrics and a number of medical groups recommend that kids under 16 not drive motor vehicles of any sort, not just ATVS, " the doctor says, "They don't have the coordination or judgment it takes to opoerate a vehicle."

Dr Mary Atkin continues, " Children who ride adult-size vehicles are much more at risk than adults who ride a vehicle of comparable size. We really want PARENTS to know that they need to be extremely cautious about letting children ride on these vehicles."

"We often see kids riding together which is even more unstable. ATVs are only made for one driver."

Hopefully you can access the whole article on-line.

PARENTS, PLEASE WAKE UP.

Shorty, retired cop
grief stricken

United States

#19 May 20, 2007
To the mother of this child, I am so very sorry for your loss. We too lost our son to an atv accident. June 20 2006 was the worse day of my life. People always have an opinion about things. I too was very protective, but I chose one day to let my son ride with a family friend. He was hit by a car head on and died instantly. I know with out a doubt that God is in control at all times. I made a wrong choice, but I was a good mother and loved my child desparately. I am so grateful God chose or family when he created Matthew. Our 18 year old son told us when we were at our lowest point that God spared his brother from all the cruel things in this world and we will see him again one day. The pain and loss is still there and a lawsuit now doesn't matter. We will honor God in whatever comes our way and continue to praise him. This post has just hit me hard and I want you to know that I lift you and your family up in prayer. May Gods grace and comfort flow thru you and sustain you all.
Cidalia

Hamilton, Canada

#20 Jun 4, 2007
Just came across this site while looking up another fatal ATV accident involving an 11-year-old girl here in Canada. The news reporter mentioned a recommendation of parental supervision, but that wouldn't have helped. The girl was not new to ATVs, and it was a case of a rollover in which she was crushed to death. I think what needs to happen is there need to be changes in the design of ATVs. Why can they not come with some sort of rollover cage?

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