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Chatham County High Schooler Dies in Wreck

There are 628 comments on the Wral.com story from Apr 29, 2008, titled Chatham County High Schooler Dies in Wreck. In it, Wral.com reports that:

Authorities were investigating a car crash that killed a senior Jordan-Matthews High School on Saturday night. via Wral.com

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ten

Fayetteville, NC

#430 Oct 18, 2008
I am not from Teachery NC I am from Silk Hope a small rural area outside of Siler City.
Jane Doe

Hampstead, NC

#431 Oct 18, 2008
DUSK wrote:
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Sure Jane,read it and interpret the way you want. You always do. As for stating Hagan was in a flight pattern too, evidently Hagan had never got off the ground at a speed of 21 mph. Shame on him for driving at such a high rate of speed. Even him,being an inexperienced pilot, he should have known he could not fly at 21 mph. I go 21 mph out my driveway and never in a million years have I remotely considered I was going to lift off the pavement.
I'm sorry, I forgot the level of intellect of bloggers on this site. Let me spell it out for you since it apparently went over your head---I never said both drivers were in the air, actually it was quite the contrary. Taylor's alloy rim was inbedded into Hagan's Honda rim at first contact. Both vehicles were on the pavement at the point of first contact.

For all you Dukes of Hazzard fans that still believe Taylor was airborne and landed on top of Hagan's car---Taylor's grill made an indention in the back right door of Hagan's car less than thirty inches from the ground at impact. Please do your research before you come on here and sound ignorant. Both sides, the Pyrtles and the Ropers, have the same information and evidence. It would behoove you to get the facts straight from the horse's mouth.
Jenny of Siler City

Angier, NC

#432 Oct 18, 2008
no lies wrote:
Obviously Jane Doe is delusional. You obviously are wrong and cannot accept it. You're annoying and strange. It's clear that you are Taylor's mom so you just need to shut your pie hole and accept the truth!

Are all you NC Hillbillies even listening to yourselves. If Jane Doe is Dawn Roper so what, she is doing what any mother would be doing in the same sitution (protecting her baby), The same as any of you would do. Sounds like all of you have convicted Taylor Roper already, so why go to court. Have you ever heard of "The system" let them do there job and leave her and her family alone. But it's not just the Ropers you are hurting , you are hurting the Pyrtles and the Pores too. Do you really want them to get on here and read all the stupid comments that you have made against these kids, I would hope not..All I have to say is GROW UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!
Jane Doe

Hampstead, NC

#433 Oct 19, 2008
Again, I am not Dawn Roper. I am just a friend from the community that is tired of the witch hunt you all have waged against Taylor. I have tried to get on here and blog facts for any of you that might have gotten tainted information. I thought once I did that the banter would die down but there are a select few of you that just cannot and will not accept any bit of the truth. Most of you are teenagers that believe the rumors and hearsay. Funny thing is when you're supposed to be in school (computer class maybe?) getting an education you're on here blogging nasty horrible things about one of your schoolmates!!(Our hard earned tax dollars at work folks!!!!). For some of you this might be some kind of therapy in working out how the loss of Ashley is affecting you. Well, let me just say that this is definitely not the place; I would suggest for you to go to your guidance counselor or a licensed therapist. Thankfully, the people that are on here saying all these nasty and horrible things are a select few. Taylor has a fantastic support system at school!!

For those of you that still believe the craziness, like the fact that Taylor was airborne, I would suggest for you to get someone to explain to you what is in the reconstruction report. The facts are the facts and there is no way that the point of first contact in the accident could be misconstrued as Taylor being airborne. It is a physical impossibility for Taylor’s front right alloy rim to have hit Hagan’s front right tire and her been airborne. Taylor did not become airborne until the point of impact.

This is the truth—had Hagan not been in Taylor’s lane the collision would not have happened. Had Taylor not been speeding the collision would not have been as severe. Taylor’s speed has never been disputed by the Roper’s, nor denied. It is clear that both drivers made very poor judgment calls that night and because of that a girl that just so happened to have been a friend of both drivers, lost her life. This was an accident, period. Neither one of these kids went out that night to intentionally take a life. Both of them did what all of us do on a daily basis, made a mistake. None of you can say that you veered into the other lane to make a turn and some of us (even some of you self-righteous people on here) have even jumped that hill ourselves. Neither Hagan, nor Taylor, deserve to have charges put upon them that could potentially ruin the rest of their lives, just because they made a bad decision. No one has ever tried to get Taylor out of anything or off the hook. They’ve only prayed for things to be fair and just. Truth be told, the D.A. is the one that is at fault here. She ignored pertinent evidence to charge only Taylor and to charge her more harshly. The reason it was put in Moore County was so it could be treated fairly and without prejudice but that is not what happened.

Most of you on here have no idea the amount of sympathy and compassion the Ropers feel for the Pyrtles. They’ve known each other a long, long time and even though Ashley and Taylor weren’t best friends, they were friends. Not that any of you deserve to know this, but Taylor does visit Ashley’s grave. There isn’t a day that goes by that Taylor doesn’t think of her and there are still many nights Taylor wakes up crying out in her sleep. She is in Christian counseling to help her deal with what she’s going through. Those of you that think she is going on with her life like nothing has happened are sorely mistaken. Everyone involved, the Ropers, the Pyrtles, and the Pores all deserve our support and prayers. Instead of exerting so much energy into all this negativity and hate, let’s be supportive. Lest we forget, it could have been any one of our kids, sisters, brothers, cousins, etc. etc.
hummm

Dunn, NC

#434 Oct 19, 2008
Jane Doe wrote:
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I'm sorry, I forgot the level of intellect of bloggers on this site. Let me spell it out for you since it apparently went over your head---I never said both drivers were in the air, actually it was quite the contrary. Taylor's alloy rim was inbedded into Hagan's Honda rim at first contact. Both vehicles were on the pavement at the point of first contact.
For all you Dukes of Hazzard fans that still believe Taylor was airborne and landed on top of Hagan's car---Taylor's grill made an indention in the back right door of Hagan's car less than thirty inches from the ground at impact. Please do your research before you come on here and sound ignorant. Both sides, the Pyrtles and the Ropers, have the same information and evidence. It would behoove you to get the facts straight from the horse's mouth.
there wasn't a door or trunk or backseat left.....
only a sweet innocent young lady that was killed by Taylor and nobody else!
siler city

Wilmington, NC

#435 Oct 20, 2008
Jane Doe wrote:
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I'm sorry, I forgot the level of intellect of bloggers on this site. Let me spell it out for you since it apparently went over your head---I never said both drivers were in the air, actually it was quite the contrary. Taylor's alloy rim was inbedded into Hagan's Honda rim at first contact. Both vehicles were on the pavement at the point of first contact.
For all you Dukes of Hazzard fans that still believe Taylor was airborne and landed on top of Hagan's car---Taylor's grill made an indention in the back right door of Hagan's car less than thirty inches from the ground at impact. Please do your research before you come on here and sound ignorant. Both sides, the Pyrtles and the Ropers, have the same information and evidence. It would behoove you to get the facts straight from the horse's mouth.
Sorry Jane, Taylor Roper's car was 2ft airborne over that hill...this is what the thrill is all about...airborne over the hill...but the truth is Taylor's car was 2ft airborne when she came over that hill @ 76mph...anyone driving that fast over that hill would have been airborne. You try it at 76mph...the front of your car will be airborne also. this is a fact!!!!!!!!!!
siler city

Wilmington, NC

#436 Oct 20, 2008
ten wrote:
<quoted text>You are the one who is delusional to even suggest Dawn Roper is Jane Doe is crazy. I can only hope Dawn and her family are not reading all this crap. The Ropers are fine members of the Silk Hope community and are going hell right now.
Who cares who Jane Doe is ....jane does not have the facts straight. Jane you are only repeating what someone has told you... the fact is ..the front of Taylor's car was 2ft airborne when she came over that hill and hit Hagan's car. Hagan was turning...the impact alone split Hagan's car. Taylor's car went right over Hagan's car ..rolled three times and settled upside down. Hagan woke up and the side Ashley was on was gone. The point is ...if Taylor would have been going the speed limit @35mph...Hagan would have made the turn safely...but Taylor wanted a thrill...and the thrill of that hill is going fast enough to airborne over the top of the hill and this is what happened. She was airborne right ontop of Hagan car. I hope the thrill of the hill has taught Taylor Roper a lesson because the first time she ran the hill that night wasn't good enough...Taylor turn around...ran the hill again for a thrill...but this time Taylor Roper cause a horrilbe wreck...not an accident...but a horrible wreck which Ashley had to be taken out of the pain she was in by God's hand.
oh no you didnt

Angier, NC

#437 Oct 20, 2008
siler city wrote:
<quoted text>Who cares who Jane Doe is ....jane does not have the facts straight. Jane you are only repeating what someone has told you... the fact is ..the front of Taylor's car was 2ft airborne when she came over that hill and hit Hagan's car. Hagan was turning...the impact alone split Hagan's car. Taylor's car went right over Hagan's car ..rolled three times and settled upside down. Hagan woke up and the side Ashley was on was gone. The point is ...if Taylor would have been going the speed limit @35mph...Hagan would have made the turn safely...but Taylor wanted a thrill...and the thrill of that hill is going fast enough to airborne over the top of the hill and this is what happened. She was airborne right ontop of Hagan car. I hope the thrill of the hill has taught Taylor Roper a lesson because the first time she ran the hill that night wasn't good enough...Taylor turn around...ran the hill again for a thrill...but this time Taylor Roper cause a horrilbe wreck...not an accident...but a horrible wreck which Ashley had to be taken out of the pain she was in by God's hand.
AMEN
Working for Justice

Columbus, GA

#438 Oct 21, 2008
siler city wrote:
<quoted text>Who cares who Jane Doe is ....jane does not have the facts straight. Jane you are only repeating what someone has told you... the fact is ..the front of Taylor's car was 2ft airborne when she came over that hill and hit Hagan's car. Hagan was turning...the impact alone split Hagan's car. Taylor's car went right over Hagan's car ..rolled three times and settled upside down. Hagan woke up and the side Ashley was on was gone. The point is ...if Taylor would have been going the speed limit @35mph...Hagan would have made the turn safely...but Taylor wanted a thrill...and the thrill of that hill is going fast enough to airborne over the top of the hill and this is what happened. She was airborne right ontop of Hagan car. I hope the thrill of the hill has taught Taylor Roper a lesson because the first time she ran the hill that night wasn't good enough...Taylor turn around...ran the hill again for a thrill...but this time Taylor Roper cause a horrilbe wreck...not an accident...but a horrible wreck which Ashley had to be taken out of the pain she was in by God's hand.
AMEN!!! Couldn't have said it better myself.
lol

Elkin, NC

#439 Oct 22, 2008
Working for Justice wrote:
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AMEN!!! Couldn't have said it better myself.
can I get another AMEN!? don't know who you are trying to fool Jane, but we're not buying it!
unc

Pittsboro, NC

#440 Oct 22, 2008
lol wrote:
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can I get another AMEN!? don't know who you are trying to fool Jane, but we're not buying it!
That's right JH on I mean Jane, please give it up. No one here will buy your version. Speed kills.
Thinking before judging

Siler City, NC

#441 Oct 24, 2008
Go to this link, read the story, then tell me why this individual was charged with involuntary manslaughter and Taylor was charged with voluntary manslaughter...

Starvick intentionally, in the heat of the moment, attacked these kids and only gets involuntary?????

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3813596/
YILW

Elkin, NC

#442 Oct 27, 2008
These are two very different stuations. First of all Taylor was flying at 76 mph over a hill not knowing what was on the other side. She did this more than one time that night. She provoked this wreck. Hagan and Ashley were just innocent people driving at a responsible speed. They did NOTHING wrong. But some of you adults for some reason can not get it through your head how fast 76 mph is! And for some reason you think it's o.k.
Both parties in the wreck you are talking about provoked the incident: "Parties in both vehicles made gestures toward each other, according to highway patrol". And look at the time frame it took to charge Starvick....what a couple of days??? Don't worry...I'm sure your precious little Taylor that can do no wrong will get out of everything....some people just get away with murder. BTW, she's STILL speeding around town just like always....guess she will never learn.
Thinking before judging

Siler City, NC

#443 Oct 27, 2008
YILW wrote:
These are two very different stuations. First of all Taylor was flying at 76 mph over a hill not knowing what was on the other side. She did this more than one time that night. She provoked this wreck. Hagan and Ashley were just innocent people driving at a responsible speed. They did NOTHING wrong. But some of you adults for some reason can not get it through your head how fast 76 mph is! And for some reason you think it's o.k.
Both parties in the wreck you are talking about provoked the incident: "Parties in both vehicles made gestures toward each other, according to highway patrol". And look at the time frame it took to charge Starvick....what a couple of days??? Don't worry...I'm sure your precious little Taylor that can do no wrong will get out of everything....some people just get away with murder. BTW, she's STILL speeding around town just like always....guess she will never learn.
You're right, they are different situations. In the one case, a man intentionally attacks another vehicle in a road rage incident. In the other, someone is speeding and hits another vehicle, although not intentionally.

Go back and read the definitions of voluntary and involuntary manslaughter. The point is, there is no consistancy to these charges.

As for accusations that people don't realize how fast 76 mph is, you are just blowing hot air. Discussing charges isn't an attempt to excuse excessive speed or gestures. It's just that, a discussion. Why attack someone over a discussion?
Jane Doe

Creedmoor, NC

#444 Oct 27, 2008
Thinking before judging wrote:
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You're right, they are different situations. In the one case, a man intentionally attacks another vehicle in a road rage incident. In the other, someone is speeding and hits another vehicle, although not intentionally.
Go back and read the definitions of voluntary and involuntary manslaughter. The point is, there is no consistancy to these charges.
As for accusations that people don't realize how fast 76 mph is, you are just blowing hot air. Discussing charges isn't an attempt to excuse excessive speed or gestures. It's just that, a discussion. Why attack someone over a discussion?
Unfortunately, Thinking Before Judging, some people on here are not going to even entertain any other thinking besides what they've heard. The problem with that is that most of what they've heard are rumors or blant lies.

You are right, the charges are not consistent. Even misdemeanor death would have been acceptable but manslaughter was way too harsh, voluntary or involuntary. It took two vehicles for this to have occured and both are responsible for making poor decisions that night.
YILW

Elkin, NC

#445 Oct 27, 2008
Thinking before judging wrote:
<quoted text>
You're right, they are different situations. In the one case, a man intentionally attacks another vehicle in a road rage incident. In the other, someone is speeding and hits another vehicle, although not intentionally.
Go back and read the definitions of voluntary and involuntary manslaughter. The point is, there is no consistancy to these charges.
As for accusations that people don't realize how fast 76 mph is, you are just blowing hot air. Discussing charges isn't an attempt to excuse excessive speed or gestures. It's just that, a discussion. Why attack someone over a discussion?
well, if you want a discussion, probably because Starvick swerved at their SUV and didn't shoot out of nowhere like a speeding missile. Not saying what he did was right, because it wasn't..again both parties had provoked this to happen. I'm sorry if you think by me saying 76 mph is an unbelievable speed to go is "hot air", but I cringe at the thought that an innocent young woman was smashed with a 4,000 lb. car for no reason. I'm not attacking you or anybody else,
just making a statement.
Jane Doe

Creedmoor, NC

#446 Oct 27, 2008
YILW wrote:
These are two very different stuations. First of all Taylor was flying at 76 mph over a hill not knowing what was on the other side. She did this more than one time that night. She provoked this wreck. Hagan and Ashley were just innocent people driving at a responsible speed. They did NOTHING wrong. But some of you adults for some reason can not get it through your head how fast 76 mph is! And for some reason you think it's o.k.
Both parties in the wreck you are talking about provoked the incident: "Parties in both vehicles made gestures toward each other, according to highway patrol". And look at the time frame it took to charge Starvick....what a couple of days??? Don't worry...I'm sure your precious little Taylor that can do no wrong will get out of everything....some people just get away with murder. BTW, she's STILL speeding around town just like always....guess she will never learn.
You are kidding right? We're talking about someone who followed another vehicle and intentionally ran him off the road. Mr. Starvick was charged with involuntary manslaughter and he purposely went after this other car. Taylor in no way went out that night to hurt anyone. How can you possibly compare the two??? Your information is wrong about her jumping the hill more than once by the way. Even still, Mr. Starvick was charged so fast because there were witnessed to the fact that he maliciously went after the other vehicle. Taylor's case went out of county so no one could say there was preferential treatment because of Todd being an attorney in Chatham County. It took so long because more than likely it sat on someones desk. Hey, Taylor being charged with voluntary manslaughter can in no way be held against Todd, Dawn, or Chatham County considering the fact of the severity of the charge. Yet and still, you people aren't even happy...

Last time I checked, no one said Taylor could do no wrong. She is taking responsibility for her speed and is prepared to take whatever punishment comes from that but they will fight tooth and nail to have the voluntary manslaughter charge reduced, as they should.
Thinking before judging

Siler City, NC

#447 Oct 27, 2008
YILW wrote:
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well, if you want a discussion, probably because Starvick swerved at their SUV and didn't shoot out of nowhere like a speeding missile. Not saying what he did was right, because it wasn't..again both parties had provoked this to happen. I'm sorry if you think by me saying 76 mph is an unbelievable speed to go is "hot air", but I cringe at the thought that an innocent young woman was smashed with a 4,000 lb. car for no reason. I'm not attacking you or anybody else,
just making a statement.
WRAL often doesn't do a very comprehensive job in these short reports, so it's not clear what each party did in the SUV incident. But it does seem clear that Mr. Starvick was the instigator.

Again, I'm not comparing that incident with the Siler City one. I'm not excusing Taylor's speed. I'm not trying to take any side except the side of fairness to all parties.

But given the legal definitions of manslaughter, it seems the prosecution is over reaching on Taylor. The other point being that "justice" is certainly inconsistent when someone in another county intentionally attacks someone else with his vehicle and gets a lesser charge...

Further, I didn't say going 76 mph was hot air. I said your attacking others because you percieve that they have minimized it is hot air.

Very, very few post on here have seemed to excuse the speed. But you stated that "But some of you adults for some reason can not get it through your head how fast 76 mph is!". I don't believe that to be an accurate statement. I believe it is you blowing hot air. That's all...
Thinking before judging

Siler City, NC

#448 Oct 27, 2008
Jane Doe wrote:
<quoted text>
Unfortunately, Thinking Before Judging, some people on here are not going to even entertain any other thinking besides what they've heard. The problem with that is that most of what they've heard are rumors or blant lies.
You are right, the charges are not consistent. Even misdemeanor death would have been acceptable but manslaughter was way too harsh, voluntary or involuntary. It took two vehicles for this to have occured and both are responsible for making poor decisions that night.
Jane, you are correct... Many don't see it objectively. I understand many are emotional over the issue, and some certainly can be expected to be and have a right to be. But in a civilized society, all parties should be treated fairly...
This needs to stop

Auburn, AL

#449 Oct 27, 2008
You should ALL let this rest until after the court has decided what is right. If you have ever heard the opening to the show COPS you would know that all parties are INNOCENT until provent guilty by a court of law. So until someone with ALL of the facts says what justice is and what punishments should be handed out, if any, you should all use this time to remember Ashley Pyrtle and the blessings that she brought to you instead of lashing out at someone who is trying to do the same. There is no denying that this was a heart wrenching tragedy for everyone involved. But there are no excuses, apologies, or sentences that will bring Ashley back and bringing misery and harsh judgements upon the Roper family does not seem like something that this girl that you all say was so loving would want you to do. Cherish your memories and know she is in a better place and after the courts have settled this, which they will, then discuss is. Because right now you are all just argueing back and forth over petty details and unless you've read the accident report yourself (with your own eyes) you should not be stating any of these so called facts. Let the courts decide what is right and who is at fault if anyone because that is why we have a justice system in place to begin with.

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