Who really thinks a gun or magazine b...

Who really thinks a gun or magazine ban will work

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flash

Dexter, MO

#1 Dec 22, 2012
I guess if you say it enough you believe it. And you might get others to go along with it also. Some on here and across the nation are using the school tragedy to push their own agenda's. to outlaw guns all together. Just want to try and answer some of the things that a few on here are saying about some features on the AR style rifle.

Flash Suppressors--- Flash suppresors are designed to ( reduce ) the muzzle flash from the weapon to preserve the shooters night vision.It does not eliminate the flash and can still be seen at night. During the day it has no effect what so ever...

Bayonet lug- bayonet lug was designed to attach a knife or spike to the end of the barrel.On this I must be missing something. I have never heard of anyone using a bayonet on a rifle...

High Capacity Magazines- This seems to be the battle cry of the anti-gun crowd. Let me share a little insight with you.I conducted my own unscientific test. In a bushmaster I fired 30 rounds in one clip in about 12 seconds. Then using the 1994 assault ban where only 10 rounds are allowed per clip I fired the same 30 rounds in approximately 26 seconds and thats pulling clips from my pocket.

So that kinda debunks what alot are saying on here! What they wont say is that there is a generation of people who have no morel values,no respect for themselves or others. And I say until society changes back then there is going to be no hope. And banning any type weapon or clips is going to make any of us safer.
bufu

Bonnots Mill, MO

#2 Dec 22, 2012
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"Some on here and across the nation are using the school tragedy to push their own agenda's. to outlaw guns all together."

I'm not aware of anyone anywhere calling for a ban on all firearms. This is typical of dishonest firearms enthusiasts.
1911-A1

Dexter, MO

#3 Dec 22, 2012
He is fighting his windmills again. You will never get a answer out of him only jabs and dodges
bufu

Bonnots Mill, MO

#4 Dec 22, 2012
Liars need to sort out their lies before I engage with them.

He admits he's a liar and then I answer the question.
Not me

Saint Louis, MO

#5 Dec 22, 2012
If some nutjob wants to commit mass murder and can't get his hands on guns, he will resort to homemade bombs and cause even more casualties and property damage. Timothy McVey killed hundreds in one tenth of the time any of these shooters took to kill dozens. I just feel that there is a better chance of stopping a shooter before the body count gets too high. I say fight gunfire with gunfire, let teachers and principals carry, or let parents volunteer to stand guard. Stop wasting taxpayers money on fighting BS laws and put that money towards providing better protection for our children. Common sense should tell tell us all that laws do not matter to people like this, so why push for more useless laws that only restrict the already law-abiding?
bufu

Bonnots Mill, MO

#6 Dec 22, 2012
The semi automatic rifle with the high capacity clip that killed 20 6 yr olds, some shot 11 times, was owned by a law abiding citizen.

Law abiding firearm enthusiasts can be a danger to the community.
1911-A1

Dexter, MO

#7 Dec 22, 2012
The mother owned the rifle. The son stole it.
bufu

Bonnots Mill, MO

#8 Dec 22, 2012
Yep. And 20 6 yr olds are dead.

Law abiding firearm enthusiasts can be a danger to the community.
1911-A1

Dexter, MO

#9 Dec 23, 2012
No. It's the thief they have to worry about
wripper

East Prairie, MO

#10 Dec 23, 2012
The nut who murdered his mother, stole her firearms and used them to murder children has little culpability. It's the mother's fault.
Just like those women who dressed a little to provocatively. Those loose looking women were just BEGGING to be raped.

Since: Oct 12

Poplar Bluff, MO

#11 Dec 23, 2012
Everyone is concentrating on the gun. What else do the mass shooters have in common besides the gun? Yes they should make it harder for some people to get guns. Do stricter background checks and have a database to cross reference for the mentally ill. If people are wanting guns for illegal use they will still get them. Ever hear of the black market? Or for that matter people breaking in to others homes and stealing guns? My guns stay locked up except when in use. My children do not have access to them but do know how to use them. We have also taught them gun safety and they know what a gun can do. Why take the rites away from people like me? As far as the violent games and movies that falls on the parents. It is their responsibility to make sure that their children know the difference between fantasy and reality. It is also the parents job to make sure the children know the difference between rite and wrong
1911-A1

Dexter, MO

#12 Dec 23, 2012
That's too far fetched for the banners to grasp. That want to blame someone and they blame the gun owner. No matter the gun was stolen
Watermark

Jackson, MO

#13 Dec 23, 2012
flash wrote:
Flash Suppressors--- Flash suppresors are designed to ( reduce ) the muzzle flash from the weapon to preserve the shooters night vision.It does not eliminate the flash and can still be seen at night. During the day it has no effect what so ever...
Question: If the flash suppressor does not enhance the killing ability of the shooter / gun, why does the military use them on every issued M-16 / M-4 rifle? Because they look cool? No.

The Aurora theater shooter entered into a dark environment and fired. By design and operation the flash suppressor suppressed the muzzle flash and help him retain his dark adapted night vision and thus enabled him to acquire, track and engage more innocent human targets. Flash suppressors have no logical, legal civilian application.
flash wrote:
Bayonet lug- bayonet lug was designed to attach a knife or spike to the end of the barrel.On this I must be missing something. I have never heard of anyone using a bayonet on a rifle...
Question: What civilian application does a bayonet lug / bayonet have for the legal, law abiding citizen? Furthermore, if you have never heard of anyone using a bayonet, why the military feature on a civilian gun?
flash wrote:
High Capacity Magazines- This seems to be the battle cry of the anti-gun crowd. Let me share a little insight with you.I conducted my own unscientific test. In a bushmaster I fired 30 rounds in one clip in about 12 seconds. Then using the 1994 assault ban where only 10 rounds are allowed per clip I fired the same 30 rounds in approximately 26 seconds and thats pulling clips from my pocket.
So you own or shot a Bushmaster AR-15? I bet, to some degree, you liked feeling the notoriety of owning / shooting the same weapon that was used to murder so many innocent children and is the center of such controversy. If not, you wouldn't of mentioned it by brand name.

Question: If you were going into combat to kill as many people as possible, would you pick the standard issue 30 round magazine or the 10 round magazine? You'll pick the 30 rounder just like the last three active shooters did in the US this year.

So you are claiming, in your unscientific and likely fabricated study, there is a difference of 4 seconds. School office staff said in interview, "must have shot a hundred rounds." Police reports say the shooter had "hundreds" of rounds of ammo. Theoretically, based upon current information, the shooter changed magazines several times. In a matter of a time differential between magazines, this would of created 12+ seconds of time where the shooter was distracted / not shooting. Here is what you do:

Go to any Newtown parent that is grieving the death of their 1st grader and ask them if they would of liked to have afforded their child 12 seconds or more to live, escape or hide.
watajoke

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#14 Dec 23, 2012
Heres how it is folks - this issue will be debated until the end of time. Guns and drugs are tangible and there will always be a way for criminals to get there hands on both. Whatever is decided about gun ownership, it doesnt matter. If guns became illegal to own by whatever group (i.e. those that domt pass criminal backgrpund checks, homeowners, etc.), "guns" will just be added to the phrase, "The war against drugs ...and guns." Both are always going to be around either by stealing or buying them. The problem is much deeper and unresolvable - something we can't buy or steal. It starts at home with how we raise our children. Therefore, we will always have to just pray that ourselves and our oved ones will never be victims of such horrific incidents of a killer using a gun, knife, baseball bat, candle stick, etc. The end. Have a blessed Christmas and tell your family how much you love them every chance you have. Who knows, that alone could make a little difference in the world.
Watermark

Jackson, MO

#15 Dec 23, 2012
Since people cannot seem to accurately surmise my stance on this issue, allow me to restate it.

I do not support a gun ban nor do I honestly expect a gun ban or strong legislation to ever become law.

I do however take issue with military weapons, designed for combat, being made available to civilians with all but one (select fire) military feature in place. The capabilities of the AR-15, with all three features mentioned in the previous post, grossly exceeds the need and scope of logical civilian applications by any law abiding citizen.

The most recent active shooters (Aurora, CO theater shooter, Oregon Mall shooter & Newtown shooter) all picked the AR-15 as their primary weapon. The reason this weapon was picked because it was best suited and designed for their criminal intent, mass killing.

Why are the features, some of which "flash" admits he's never seen used or inaccurately claims affords no benefit, still produced on the weapon? Why are we as a nation producing weapons that better enable the user to commit mass murder should he decide to.

An analogy would be to produce a civilian Hummer SUV complete with a keg tapper, vodka dispenser and blender. Useless to most legal users but helps the drunk driver commit his crime more efficiently. Why are we doing this with weapons that are used to slaughter our citizens?
1911-A1

Dexter, MO

#16 Dec 23, 2012
Fight your windmills don.
U are fixated on this that is why I referred to you as a zealot. And you know what. You are.
wripper

East Prairie, MO

#17 Dec 23, 2012
For sale, Surefire 60 rnd m4/AR mags.$190/each
Magpul Pmag m4/AR mags, 30 rnd capacity, Maglevel w/window. ODG, FDE and black available.$45/each.
Federal/American Eagle 223 (ae223pt) 50 gr, polymer tipped, brass cased,$25/20rnd
1911-A1

Dexter, MO

#18 Dec 23, 2012
wripper wrote:
For sale, Surefire 60 rnd m4/AR mags.$190/each
Magpul Pmag m4/AR mags, 30 rnd capacity, Maglevel w/window. ODG, FDE and black available.$45/each.
Federal/American Eagle 223 (ae223pt) 50 gr, polymer tipped, brass cased,$25/20rnd
My rifle don't like the lighter bullet weights. 69 gr or heavier it loves. 1in 9 twist
Watermark

Jackson, MO

#19 Dec 23, 2012
wripper wrote:
For sale, Surefire 60 rnd m4/AR mags.$190/each
Magpul Pmag m4/AR mags, 30 rnd capacity, Maglevel w/window. ODG, FDE and black available.$45/each.
Federal/American Eagle 223 (ae223pt) 50 gr, polymer tipped, brass cased,$25/20rnd
Hey, will you sell and ship that 60 round SureFire magazine to me at my summer home in, say, the State of Ohio?
bufu

Bonnots Mill, MO

#20 Dec 23, 2012
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"No. It's the thief they have to worry about."

Because stolen fire arms arm more worrisome than 20 6 yr olds shot to death? Firearm enthusiasts are weird.

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