I Am So Glad Romney Didn't Win

I Am So Glad Romney Didn't Win

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Really

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#1 Nov 10, 2012
I just wish President Obama would have lost the election too.
For Sure

Edwardsville, IL

#2 Nov 14, 2012
well i hate to tell you that your wish didn't come true.
Tracey

Palm Springs, CA

#3 Nov 18, 2012
I'm relieved he didn't win too. I had a serious debate about the election because I'm not thrilled about Obama, but Romney scared the shit out of me. Just couldn't identify with the guy and didn't believe him. His face said one thing, eyes said another. Then he completely ignored every group except those he thought would support him... totally un-American. I guess he can shove the 47% up his ass because he got a huge enema.
Ughhh

Odessa, TX

#4 Nov 18, 2012
Please explain to me why Obama's main cabinet members are jumping ship. Why didn't they say anything about this before the election? Too much scandal right after the election as well.
When you are looking for a job, do you go to a rich person or a poor person? I have yet to see a poor person create a well paying job.
Think about it.
Tax Man

Pflugerville, TX

#5 Nov 18, 2012
Ughhh wrote:
Please explain to me why Obama's main cabinet members are jumping ship. Why didn't they say anything about this before the election? Too much scandal right after the election as well.
When you are looking for a job, do you go to a rich person or a poor person? I have yet to see a poor person create a well paying job.
Think about it.
Why do think they voted for him.....freebie's
Ughhh

Odessa, TX

#6 Nov 18, 2012
Tax Man wrote:
<quoted text>Why do think they voted for him.....freebie's
I agree 100% but I was trying to be a little nice. I am worried for my kids, they are young adults in college. One just finished his fourth tour overseas and is now a six stripe sargent--or something like that--working with online classes. Two in mechancial engineering and one with the gift of gab/writing going into PR work. I think they will be okay. I have taught them to take care of themselves and provide for their own future. Now if only the govt. doesn't take away their efforts to provide for irresponsible people. I try to pay all tuition and books because I think the best thing I can do is start them out in life debt free (if at all possible).
Watermark

Jackson, MO

#7 Nov 18, 2012
Tax Man wrote:
<quoted text>Why do think they voted for him.....freebie's
Wrong. Even members of your own party (Republican) denounce the insinuation that Romney lost due to "gifts" being offered by the President. Bobby Jindal, Chris Christie, Ana Navarro are just a few who took issue with such ridiculous comments.

I wanted to prove your words as being wrong, but I actually endorse such language. That's right, further divide and isolate the Republican party from today's voting population.(cough, 47%, cough) This behavior worked so well for the Republicans in the recent election. Ha!

http://nation.foxnews.com/chris-christie/2012...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/bobb...
Watermark

Jackson, MO

#8 Nov 18, 2012
Ughhh wrote:
I have yet to see a poor person create a well paying job. Think about it.
No, I think you should actually think about it. You just managed to insult most of this nation's small businesses, some of which date back to late 1800's. Businesses were started by poor people with the desire, drive and ambition to become rich people. Many of these small business are now worldwide and are household names. Are you so naive to believe only rich people create businesses?
Ughhh

Odessa, TX

#9 Nov 18, 2012
I have a business and believe me, it takes money to start up and run a business. Capital in inventory, equipment, building, utilties, phone, workman's comp.,FICA, general accounting bills,state tax, local tax,federal tax, and let's not forget people like to get paid and hope to get a few benefits. The world is a great deal different from 1800's so thank you for insulting today's business people. Someone came up with the money because no one can operate on air alone.
Watermark

Jackson, MO

#10 Nov 18, 2012
Ughhh wrote:
I have a business and believe me, it takes money to start up and run a business. Capital in inventory, equipment, building, utilties, phone, workman's comp.,FICA, general accounting bills,state tax, local tax,federal tax, and let's not forget people like to get paid and hope to get a few benefits. The world is a great deal different from 1800's so thank you for insulting today's business people. Someone came up with the money because no one can operate on air alone.
You are now making excuses for falsely proclaiming that only rich people are capable of creating good paying jobs. You said it. It's not true, never has been true and much of today's large corporations were started by individuals that were "not rich". Since you claim to own a business, you must also by default, classify yourself as rich and have always been rich. Funny.
Ughhh

Odessa, TX

#11 Nov 18, 2012
Not rich by a long shot. Started my business by myself by working for someone else and saving my money.
Actually, what you are saying is that anyone can start their own business. If that is so, then please explain why so many people on assistance are not starting their own business? By your standards these people are very much capable of being self-reliant yet they are not.

How many full-time people did you hire and put to work this year? I'm not talking about some contract hire job but a living that someone else can bank on week after week for this year. If you don't work for yourself then you work for someone else that has the money to pay your salary--not a poor person.
Super Guest

Cape Girardeau, MO

#12 Nov 18, 2012
Ugh, you just proved his point but are too dense to realize it.
Watermark

Jackson, MO

#13 Nov 20, 2012
Ughhh wrote:
Not rich by a long shot. Started my business by myself by working for someone else and saving my money.
Actually, what you are saying is that anyone can start their own business. If that is so, then please explain why so many people on assistance are not starting their own business? By your standards these people are very much capable of being self-reliant yet they are not.
How many full-time people did you hire and put to work this year? I'm not talking about some contract hire job but a living that someone else can bank on week after week for this year. If you don't work for yourself then you work for someone else that has the money to pay your salary--not a poor person.
First of all, I want to thank you for indeed proving my point. But now you are simply morphing your stance on this issue for the sake of formulating a reply.

You denounce the idea of classifying yourself as rich and then discuss how you started your business with saved money, alone, etc. In the scheme of business enterprise, that could be described as poor. Now using your own words, based upon your background, you didn't create good paying jobs. Agree? They are your own words.

Does everyone in this nation have the opportunity to start their own small business regardless of being classified as "rich" or "poor"? Yes. Hundreds of large corporations today were started by individuals that would likely be classified as poor. If you doubt this fact, prove otherwise right now. Why don't they? Because the vast majority of people, the ones you'd classify as poor, lack the ability, knowledge, drive, commitment or business sense to embark on such an endeavor. But there are some who do possess those traits and have created million dollar industries. And now you believe, based upon their economic status as being "poor", the jobs are substandard in terms of pay.

You are wrong, and you know it.
Watermark

Jackson, MO

#14 Nov 20, 2012
Ughhh wrote:
If you don't work for yourself then you work for someone else that has the money to pay your salary--not a poor person.
Let me address the last paragraph of your most recent post. You first said "I have yet to see a poor person create a well paying job" yet now say the line quoted above. See how your morphing your stance? You've changed it from poor people being unable to CREATE jobs to now a matter of paying salary.

Take a look at Sam Walton, the founder of Wal-Mart, for example. He was born during the depression, milked cows to help his family survive, waited tables in trade for meals and borrowed money from family to start what now is a company that does over 50 billion is sales each year. But like you said, since he was poor, he didn't create good paying jobs. Pffff!

Now matter how you spin it or change you stance on this issue, you will not be able to defend your original statement. Let it go.
bufu

Bonnots Mill, MO

#15 Nov 20, 2012
A rich man never bult a sewage treatment plant. Or a highway. Or a public school. Society builds those things and they use taxes to do it.
robin hood

Cape Girardeau, MO

#16 Nov 20, 2012
you are right bufu, but the sewage treatment plant is paid for by local taxes(and most to the time voted on by the people of the city, town or county), highways are paid for by the fuel tax the the goverment puts on each gallon you by, public schools are paid for again by local taxes the same way with Society builds.

with this being said, why do i have to pay federal taxes to build roads, schools and such. it sounds like i'm paying for the same thing twice.

no to what the first poster said (that you never get a job from a poor person) this is partly correct, you will never get a full time job from a poor person that isn't willing to take a chance.
lifes a beach

Lebanon, PA

#17 Nov 20, 2012
Watermark wrote:
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No, I think you should actually think about it. You just managed to insult most of this nation's small businesses, some of which date back to late 1800's. Businesses were started by poor people with the desire, drive and ambition to become rich people. Many of these small business are now worldwide and are household names. Are you so naive to believe only rich people create businesses?
Are you so naive as to think low interest loans needed for business start up in this day and age grow on trees in the backyards of poor people's houses?
Super Guest

Cape Girardeau, MO

#18 Nov 20, 2012
robin hood wrote:
you are right bufu, but the sewage treatment plant is paid for by local taxes(and most to the time voted on by the people of the city, town or county), highways are paid for by the fuel tax the the goverment puts on each gallon you by, public schools are paid for again by local taxes the same way with Society builds.
with this being said, why do i have to pay federal taxes to build roads, schools and such. it sounds like i'm paying for the same thing twice.
no to what the first poster said (that you never get a job from a poor person) this is partly correct, you will never get a full time job from a poor person that isn't willing to take a chance.
You aren't paying for the same thing twice. The local taxes paid by locals are not enough for schools to operate at an acceptable level. Therefore, it is supplemented by funds at the federal level. The problem with local taxes is that a large portion of the funds go to local politicians and bureaucrats in the form of salaries.

For example, the total salaries of all city employees for the city of Cape was $23.6 million for fiscal year 2012. The total revenue was $67 million. Generally speaking, 1/3 of every dollar you pay locally is to support a local politician.
Watermark

Jackson, MO

#19 Nov 20, 2012
lifes a beach wrote:
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Are you so naive as to think low interest loans needed for business start up in this day and age grow on trees in the backyards of poor people's houses?
No, but they are available for application to both poor and rich people without prejudice. So all me to reverse the question and ask if you believe these business loans trees only grow in the lavish lawns of the wealthy?
lifes a beach

Lebanon, PA

#20 Nov 20, 2012
Watermark wrote:
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No, but they are available for application to both poor and rich people without prejudice. So all me to reverse the question and ask if you believe these business loans trees only grow in the lavish lawns of the wealthy?
Really? It depends on credit and many times "poorer" people do not have the best credit so that's a Utopian view. No, I don't believe only wealthy people can create stable businesses but how many "poor people" do you know have the experience and knowledge to run the fiscal aspect of a company responsibly? I'm sure there are some; however, poverty is directly correlated with lack of education, crime and lack of opportunity (unfortunately). Serious question- do you not find the deregulation of mortgages to be predatory? Ie, how did giving a mortgage to a person or family who simply could not afford it work out for everyone? It doesn't have to be an elitist, silver spoon system; however, the reality is that a successful business takes start up capital in the very least.

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