Jesus was a socialist
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#1 Oct 19, 2011
I love how conservatives say he's a capitalist or free market person. Personal salvation more like group salvation aka church communities
#2 Nov 7, 2011
Firstly, Jesus is apolitical.
Secondly, The god of this system of things, is Satan the Devil.(1 John 5:19; Rev.12:12)
Thirdly, God the Father, and Son condemn socialism as we know it.....
"Peter said:'Ananias, why has Satan emboldened you to play false to the holy spirit and to hold back secretly some of the price of the field? As long as it remained with you did it not remain yours, and after it was sold did it not continue in your control' " Acts 5:3,4.
#3 Nov 20, 2011
Jesus didn't steal money from one person to give it to another.
Thats why he's obviously NOT a socialist.
#4 Nov 20, 2011
if that bible quote is going to be your sword and shield against teh evil socialism you need to go back to the armory.
#5 Nov 20, 2011
but points, though, for filing down an interpretation of scripture to use as a shiv for the 'least of these.'
dear lord, the world is well and truly upside down.
#6 Nov 21, 2011
Firstly, You're making a feeble attempt to inject Jesus into your argument, it's best you be accurate and use Biblical citations.
Jesus admonished us to be a "cheerful giver" to those in need, and not by mandate, but through 'volunteer' contributions.(2 Cor. 9:7) Don't confuse that with socialism.
Secondly, God admonished us not to COVET![meaning: to desire what belongs to another - inordinately or culpably (Webster)]
Exodus 20:17 [10th Commandment] "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his a$$, nor any thing that [is] thy neighbour's."
Last, but not least....Both the Father and Son had no sympathy for the Lazy!
"Because of winter the lazy one will not plow, he will be begging in reaping time, but there will be nothing." Prov. 20:4
#7 Nov 21, 2011
Jesus was a Jew.
#8 Nov 22, 2011
Listen up you right-wing knuckle dragging mouth-breathers. I don't care if Jesus was a socialist or not. After what the capitalists have done to this country, maybe it's about time to try a liberal dose of socialism. Perhaps with a better educated populace (no thanks to the right-wingers), we can move past this religious fundamentalist mentality and the worship of money, and into the 21st century.
#9 Nov 22, 2011
when you have to name call to make your point you've already lost the debate.
You've obviously never lived in a truly socialist state or you wouldn't be complaining about this country not being liberal enough for you. If liberal is you getting the money I work for, I'd rather live with the religious fundies. At least they have SOME morals. Stop enabling lazy people.
#10 Nov 22, 2011
"Redistribution of Wealth" is a Marxist philosophy that ushered in communism and 70 years of sheer misery. This country was established as a Representative Constitutional Republic, based on a capitalistic economy for over 220 years, which I might add, was the the envy of the world and that's why people came here in droves.
Socialism litter the ash heaps of history -- if you think that socialism is a superior system, may I suggest you saddle up and head for Cuber, Venezuela or even the PRC. How about Europe? Where their brand of socialism is coming apart like a cheap suit....Bon Voyage.
“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.”
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816
“A wise and frugal government… shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.”— Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1801
“The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If ‘Thou shalt not covet’ and ‘Thou shalt not steal’ were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free.”— John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America, 1787
#11 Nov 22, 2011
Redistribution of wealth is a natural process that has been taking place for thousands of years. Marxism my arkism. Wealth and power tend to accumulate in fewer and fewer hands until people wake up and overturn the existing system and redistribute both wealth and power. It can happen peacefully like it did in this country during the great depression or it can happen violently. The problem today is that ordinary people have been miseducated to believe that they have both power and wealth and socialists are going to take it away from them. Wake up folks. Redistributing the wealth will only help you.
#12 Nov 22, 2011
Speak for yourself lazy one. You sounds like the bottom 1% of the
How about "redistribute" the work instead?
You want more wealth, then work more, harder, and smarter.
Why should a hard worker redistribute to the lazy?
"If you don't work, you don't eat."
#13 Nov 22, 2011
I don't have to work. I have two nice checks sent to me every month and I have health care also. It is called retirement. I have a very comfortable life thanks to socialism. It is a great system. I love socialism.
#14 Nov 22, 2011
Also would like to say that I have nothing against Capitalism. Capitalism is very good at creating wealth but it can be a system that is brutal to our home, Mother Earth, and brutal to our humanity. It needs to be kept in check by the government. Capitalism and Socialism need to go hand in hand. The idea that people are poor because they are lazy just is not true in most cases. The idea that hard work makes you rich is equally silly.
#15 Nov 22, 2011
Here is a good response from Liberal Flea Bagger:
"Seriously, how can anyone want Socialism when Socialist countries are failing all over the place and America is already over its head in debt.
It really boggles the brain how some people can be so damn ignorant.
#16 Nov 22, 2011
"The idea that people are poor because they are lazy just is not true in most cases."
The lazy are not necessarily poor. They just want too much for the simple jobs that they do and ship our jobs out of the country. The lazy are not competitive and that is why the jobs went elsewhere.
"The idea that hard work makes you rich is equally silly."
No one said that here, but hard work may have kept us competitive
and kept the jobs here.
What are you saying anyway? You seem to be defending lazy and
putting down hard work?
#17 Nov 23, 2011
It's obvious your a product of dumbed down PubEd, lacking in both history and Civics. There has never been a country that has been so successful as ours, guaranteeing both freedom and prosperity to those that weren't afraid to seek it by their own initiatives without becoming a liability to others.
Since the "give me" generation raised it's ugly head in the 60's, we've been on a downward spiral ever since. Now we have these same miscreants teaching (brainwashing) Marxist philosophy to young skulls full of mush in our schools that have no real life comparison of the misery that socialism brings. Taking from one, and giving to another that has not earned it, is condemned not only by our founders, but Biblically as well.
Words of Wisdom...
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”— James Madison, 4 Annals of Congress 179, 1794
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right
or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.
It is wholly inadequate to govern any other”
John Adams 1789
"A government big enough to give you everything you want,
is strong enough to take everything you have"..........
Thomas Jefferson (1743 -1826)
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”— Benjamin Franklin
Furthermore, What is really surprising is that many of the champions of socialism live in prosperity because of capitalism and because of the fruits of other people's work and the strength of the ideals of the Founding Fathers and their counterparts in other lucky places. Nevertheless, they are not repelled by using their own prosperity as an argument against freedom and capitalism.
But these left-wing people's wealth is not a manifestation of socialism. Quite on the contrary: it is a manifestation of the creative power of capitalism combined with their character of parasites. To get a more realistic picture for what kind of a societal arrangement they stand for, you should look into North Korea or Cuba, countries that were transformed according to the ideas of their own soulmates.
#18 Nov 23, 2011
This not about left and right. This is about reality. Unfettered capitalism is bringing about the destruction of the world economy. I probably am the result of a dumbed down education system. I did graduate high school in 1959.
#19 Nov 23, 2011
Hey Meat Puppet,
I said a "dose" of Socialism, not a former Soviet brand of it. A healthy society is a mix of both capitalism and socialism. The challenge is to strike a correct balance of the two. To most Americans, who watch something other than Fox News or listen to Right-Wing radio, the excesses of our system must be addressed- Wall Street needs to be regulated, and the Rich need to pay their fair share of taxes.
#20 Nov 23, 2011
Are you blind? I said a dose of socialism, not the creation of a Marxist state. What is it with you Ayn Rand mammonites? You only hear and see what you want to. And don't quote the bible to me- I don't consider you a Christian with the right to do so. And as far as quoting Thomas Jefferson- He also wrote this- "Experience demands that man is the only animal which devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor.
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