Recycling factory gives Mexican worke...

Recycling factory gives Mexican workers reboot

There are 34 comments on the Tuscon Citizen story from Nov 9, 2008, titled Recycling factory gives Mexican workers reboot. In it, Tuscon Citizen reports that:

SIERRA VISTA a ' An electronics recycling factory in the town of Fronteras, Mexico, is offering the prospect of hiring many unemployed people and, at the same time, helping to protect the environment.

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Darlene

Littleton, CO

#1 Nov 9, 2008
Ten dollars a day. Oh please don't overpay these people.

Since: Apr 07

Cincinnati, OH

#2 Nov 9, 2008
Darlene wrote:
Ten dollars a day. Oh please don't overpay these people.
Shhhh,let em go.
Darlene

Littleton, CO

#3 Nov 9, 2008
There are no jobs here I've heard. They can fight over these! Wonder if the employer will do complete background checks in MX? lol
Progressive

United States

#5 Nov 9, 2008
Who are you people? Why are you on this web site?
Darlene

Littleton, CO

#6 Nov 9, 2008
Progressive wrote:
Who are you people? Why are you on this web site?
And I ask the same of you!?! It's an open forum or haven't you heard?

“Rowrbazzle!!”

Since: Sep 07

Bisbee

#7 Nov 9, 2008
Progressive wrote:
Who are you people? Why are you on this web site?
Proving that it's not necessary to have facts or experience -- only opinions based on a lack of proximity to the border.

I'm surprised you had to ask....(probably McCoot voters looking for a new hobby)
Darlene

Littleton, CO

#8 Nov 10, 2008
Wow someone in Bisbee, AZ must have had a bad day?
Progressive

United States

#9 Nov 10, 2008
Darlene wrote:
Wow someone in Bisbee, AZ must have had a bad day?
There are no bad days in Bisbee. It is paradise. We like to lash out at know nothing, carpetbagging posters just for fun. We need to open the border and let everyone that can find a job here stay. Problem is, jobs are drying up and a lot of Mexicans are going south. If the Mexicans are going home, hard times are upon us.

Since: Oct 08

United States

#10 Nov 10, 2008
Progressive wrote:
Who are you people? Why are you on this web site?
This article is cross-referenced in several Topix Forums, Bisbee, AZ , Douglas, AZ, Sierra Vista, AZ, to name a few. When people comment on the article, from any of the forums, the comments from those areas (if the story is posted there) show up in all the forums. I hope this answers your question.
Progressive

United States

#11 Nov 10, 2008
Sunlight wrote:
<quoted text>This article is cross-referenced in several Topix Forums, Bisbee, AZ , Douglas, AZ, Sierra Vista, AZ, to name a few. When people comment on the article, from any of the forums, the comments from those areas (if the story is posted there) show up in all the forums. I hope this answers your question.
Thank You for your reply.
Darlene

Littleton, CO

#12 Nov 10, 2008
Progressive: Still don't understand why your feathers are ruffled, but have a good rest of the day anyway! This thread is about Mexico.

“Rowrbazzle!!”

Since: Sep 07

Bisbee

#13 Nov 10, 2008
Let me give a stab at some kind of answer. Here in Bisbee, we're only about 3-4 miles from the border, in one of the most active regions for immigration -- and for the various militias who fancy themselves enforcers for an immigration policy this country doesn't have. We also have an ungodly concentration of Border Patrol, which has not always behaved admirably (especially since the Bush administration began to ratchet up the BP staffing with a bunch of people who frankly do not measure up to BP traditional standards; I can say this because my grandfather was BP for over 40 years, and my wife's brother was a BP instructor and trainer for over 25.)

Add to that the fact that Bisbee is a liberal enclave in a conservative region, and that there is a solid history here of 'not doing evil'. We've been barraged for years now by those who not only do NOT have the answers on immigration, but don't even know enough to ask the questions.

So, yes, we tend to be a bit prickly on what we see as incipient bashing of our neighbors across the border. We may be a bit jumpy about comment and opinion we see as coming from those who do not live with this issue literally in their back yards on a daily basis.

We are definitely fed up with snarky comments and easy 'answers' about cross-border movement. We have a daily exposure to what's real, and it is not going to be simple to solve -- and pretending that it will be is counter-productive.

Remember: For us, Mexico is a 10-minute drive, and some of our friends live there, and many of those people from there shop and work here; my barber commutes daily from Naco to the shop in Bisbee. Does all this help explain why we react to comments and 'solutions' from hundreds of miles away?
Darlene

Littleton, CO

#14 Nov 10, 2008
Lucifers Hammer wrote:
Let me give a stab at some kind of answer. Here in Bisbee, we're only about 3-4 miles from the border, in one of the most active regions for immigration -- and for the various militias who fancy themselves enforcers for an immigration policy this country doesn't have. We also have an ungodly concentration of Border Patrol, which has not always behaved admirably (especially since the Bush administration began to ratchet up the BP staffing with a bunch of people who frankly do not measure up to BP traditional standards; I can say this because my grandfather was BP for over 40 years, and my wife's brother was a BP instructor and trainer for over 25.)
Add to that the fact that Bisbee is a liberal enclave in a conservative region, and that there is a solid history here of 'not doing evil'. We've been barraged for years now by those who not only do NOT have the answers on immigration, but don't even know enough to ask the questions.
So, yes, we tend to be a bit prickly on what we see as incipient bashing of our neighbors across the border. We may be a bit jumpy about comment and opinion we see as coming from those who do not live with this issue literally in their back yards on a daily basis.
We are definitely fed up with snarky comments and easy 'answers' about cross-border movement. We have a daily exposure to what's real, and it is not going to be simple to solve -- and pretending that it will be is counter-productive.
Remember: For us, Mexico is a 10-minute drive, and some of our friends live there, and many of those people from there shop and work here; my barber commutes daily from Naco to the shop in Bisbee. Does all this help explain why we react to comments and 'solutions' from hundreds of miles away?
I thank you for the history. But you must understand, however far or near we live to the border we're all effected in our communities due to gangs, drugs, high property taxes, etc etc etc. The situation with illegal immigrants is a national problem, not just certain areas. Our country cannot consume any more costs for people who chose to come here and take advantage of us any longer. Until the visa system that's severely broken is fixed, those who come just stay while we pay. I am not against legal immigration, but I am against illegal invaders. And sir bottom line, we don't want another 9/11. Thank you.

Since: Sep 07

United States

#15 Nov 10, 2008
Darlene wrote:
And sir bottom line, we don't want another 9/11. Thank you.
HAHAHAHAH! If we have another 9/11, it won't come from Mexico. Why in the world do you think THAT? Is that what Rush is spewing?
Progressive

United States

#16 Nov 11, 2008
Darlene wrote:
<quoted text> I thank you for the history. But you must understand, however far or near we live to the border we're all effected in our communities due to gangs, drugs, high property taxes, etc etc etc. The situation with illegal immigrants is a national problem, not just certain areas. Our country cannot consume any more costs for people who chose to come here and take advantage of us any longer. Until the visa system that's severely broken is fixed, those who come just stay while we pay. I am not against legal immigration, but I am against illegal invaders. And sir bottom line, we don't want another 9/11. Thank you.
This is a good example of the nonsense Lucifers Hammer was talking about. So my question is still who are you people and what are you doing here? You have no idea what you are talking about.

“Rowrbazzle!!”

Since: Sep 07

Bisbee

#17 Nov 11, 2008
Again, let's try rational (I hope) answers. To begin, the "9/11" fear doesn't fly as a reason. We all know it's far more likely to happen due to our uninspected cargo ports, or across the largely unpatrolled Canadian border, than from some trekkers across the Sonoran desert.

Too, if your state is anything like those here in the Southwest, it's actually losing immigrants as the economy goes south. If your state is anything like ours, it's enacted legislation which makes it harder for undocumented persons to avail themselves of almost all services that lead to the 'costs' you are so concerned about.

What they have to do with "high property taxes" is at most two steps removed from imminent reality, and drugs and gangs are not mainly the province of those who scramble across 50 miles of desert to get here.

Like so many of the "concern trolls" surrounding this mess, you seem to have conflated your fears with the talking points of others who feed them. Reality is a different beast, and much less open to simplistic answers than your keepers would have you believe.
Darlene

Littleton, CO

#18 Nov 11, 2008
Hammer: Unfortunately you unlike me, live in a state with excellent laws. Apparently you have no clue that we anti-illagal patriots have watched and cheered your state on step by step. You call people like me a troll. Have it your way if it makes you feel better. I call me an American Patriot who will protect the sovereignty of this great nation with every breath I take. I might add, when states approve anti-illegal alien laws do you really think they just go south? No they don't. Now I'm done having this discussion with you. Have a nice day!

Since: Sep 07

United States

#19 Nov 11, 2008
Darlene wrote:
...we anti-illagal patriots... call me an American Patriot who will protect the sovereignty of this great nation with every breath I take.
Oh, PUHleez. Jingoistic posturing and bad spelling doth not a patriot make. Go buy another gun, Darlene.

“Rowrbazzle!!”

Since: Sep 07

Bisbee

#20 Nov 11, 2008
Darlene wrote:
Hammer: I call me an American Patriot who will protect the sovereignty of this great nation with every breath I take. I might add, when states approve anti-illegal alien laws do you really think they just go south? No they don't.
Actually: Yes they do, and we're seeing it daily in Arizona. Of course, we're actually seeing the reality, instead of preaching about what might be reality -- so our take might be different from yours.

Finally, and then I'll (gladly) let you go: do not confuse nationalism / fear / ignorance with patriotism! They are not the same, despite what you're willing to believe.
Progressive

United States

#21 Nov 11, 2008
Darlene wrote:
Hammer: Unfortunately you unlike me, live in a state with excellent laws. Apparently you have no clue that we anti-illagal patriots have watched and cheered your state on step by step. You call people like me a troll. Have it your way if it makes you feel better. I call me an American Patriot who will protect the sovereignty of this great nation with every breath I take. I might add, when states approve anti-illegal alien laws do you really think they just go south? No they don't. Now I'm done having this discussion with you. Have a nice day!
This post is so George Bush. Get over your fears. A new day has dawned. Stop allowing yourself to be manipulated by the crazies.

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