NEW LAW - Abridging Free Political Sp...

NEW LAW - Abridging Free Political Speech!

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Sierra Vista, AZ

#1 May 19, 2012
Welcome to the new Banana Republic of America. Even more chilling, the Secret Service, yes, the one that has been partying with prostitutes, is now in charge of our "free speech"!

IT MADE FOX NEWS - but not the lame-stream media? This is really frightening. They sneaked another one in on us.
Are you aware of this new law, signed by “Obama” in early March 2012?

New law makes it illegal to protest in Obama's presenceThis means that, wherever Obama is at, you do not have a right to ask him anything you want to. His secret service can have you arrested, fined, and imprisoned for more than a YEAR if you ask him something he doesn’t like. Sounds more like "Mein Fuhrer Spricht" than Mr. Lincoln?

He didn't understand the Constitution in it's Relevance to FORCING obscurecare on us. Now, some how he doesn't understand the significance of free political speech ( that "shall not be infringed") under the 1at amendment -- Or, maybe he does?

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup...

Obama should take a lesson from a REAL President, and a Medal of Honor Winner...

Quoted Text...

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

"Teddy Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149
May 7, 1918
S-N-A-F-U

Sierra Vista, AZ

#2 May 19, 2012
It's obvious he has nothing but contempt for our Constitution and rule of law....
Patriotic Observer

United States

#3 May 20, 2012
Just remember, folks, these kinds of laws have been on the increase for the last 20 years, regardless of the administration under which they are enacted. Just ask yourself if Romney would support such a law if he were already president, or if McCain had been elected. I believe that these laws would be advanced regardless of the party in power.

Culture war wedge issues like abortion, gay marriage, flag burning (remember that one?) are smokescreens that provide the cover, under which these very real, liberty-killing laws are passed.

Good for Fox news covering it. Even judge napolitano was talking about domestic drone warfare against the civilian population (call it surveillenace but I call it war). Even Krauthammer was talking about that the other day.

If it were possible to have the "lamestream media" of which fox is part and parcel keep the focus on this erosion of freedom perhaps we could restore some of what has been lost in our lifetimes.
Patriotic Observer

United States

#4 May 20, 2012
...PS, it may be great that fox is now covering it, but these guys were the #1 cheerleaders for the bush gang over the last decade, under which the police state of america got its biggest boost. obamas excesses could not be possible without bush's BECAUSE THEY WORK TOGETHER BY DESIGN. call it the frog in the boiling water bit.

Here are some helpful links to depress the crap out of you this fine sunday morning.

http://governingthroughcrime.blogspot.com/201...

http://nplusonemag.com/raise-the-crime-rate

“Geekhood Is Greatness”

Since: Feb 11

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#5 May 21, 2012
The fuss must be about HR 347, the “Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011.”

Sponsored by Republican Rep. Thomas Rooney of Florida, it reached the House floor in Feb, 2011, and was supported by a vote of 399 to 3. the intent of the bill was to update a measure that had been on the books the past forty years, which made it a federal crime to trespass on grounds secured by the Secret Service. No new penalties were added.

It reached the Senate floor a year later. Without any debate, the Senate passed a slightly amended version by “unanimous consent.” Signed into law by President Obama on March 8, it was not done “secretly.” The White House announced the signing publicly just as it does for other such routine measures.

Gabe Rottman, a lobbyist for the American Civil Liberties Union wrote that the bill “slightly rewrites” the existing trespass law and that “contrary to some reports” the bill “doesn’t create any new crimes.” The only change that Rottman found “noteworthy” is that the new law makes it somewhat less difficult for a prosecutor to convict somebody of trespassing where the Secret Service has established security, and he said the ACLU would be alert for “any abuse or misuse.”

The new law has nothing to do with speaking up against the president.
Social issue

Bisbee, AZ

#6 May 21, 2012
GulchGeek wrote:
The fuss must be about HR 347, the “Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011.”
Sponsored by Republican Rep. Thomas Rooney of Florida, it reached the House floor in Feb, 2011, and was supported by a vote of 399 to 3. the intent of the bill was to update a measure that had been on the books the past forty years, which made it a federal crime to trespass on grounds secured by the Secret Service. No new penalties were added.
It reached the Senate floor a year later. Without any debate, the Senate passed a slightly amended version by “unanimous consent.” Signed into law by President Obama on March 8, it was not done “secretly.” The White House announced the signing publicly just as it does for other such routine measures.
Gabe Rottman, a lobbyist for the American Civil Liberties Union wrote that the bill “slightly rewrites” the existing trespass law and that “contrary to some reports” the bill “doesn’t create any new crimes.” The only change that Rottman found “noteworthy” is that the new law makes it somewhat less difficult for a prosecutor to convict somebody of trespassing where the Secret Service has established security, and he said the ACLU would be alert for “any abuse or misuse.”
The new law has nothing to do with speaking up against the president.
well, you do do your homework
Poppy

Tucson, AZ

#7 May 22, 2012
Social issue wrote:
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well, you do do your homework
Yes gulch did hid homework and the rest of you swallowed the bait. Geez..........
Poppy

Tucson, AZ

#8 May 22, 2012
Patriotic Observer wrote:
Just remember, folks, these kinds of laws have been on the increase for the last 20 years, regardless of the administration under which they are enacted. Just ask yourself if Romney would support such a law if he were already president, or if McCain had been elected. I believe that these laws would be advanced regardless of the party in power.
Culture war wedge issues like abortion, gay marriage, flag burning (remember that one?) are smokescreens that provide the cover, under which these very real, liberty-killing laws are passed.
Good for Fox news covering it. Even judge napolitano was talking about domestic drone warfare against the civilian population (call it surveillenace but I call it war). Even Krauthammer was talking about that the other day.
If it were possible to have the "lamestream media" of which fox is part and parcel keep the focus on this erosion of freedom perhaps we could restore some of what has been lost in our lifetimes.
You are laughable without your pants

“Geekhood Is Greatness”

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#9 May 22, 2012
After watching the 'Judge' Napolitano video linked in the first post:

- In addition to creating a mushroom of doom out of thin air, Napolitano's remarks created an impression that HR 347 was a completely new, stand-alone law - not a minor tuning of an existing law which might equally have allowed that same 'abuses' he alleged were the intent of this "new law."

- To be clear, the bill's described purpose was, "To correct and simplify the drafting of section 1752 (relating to restricted buildings or grounds) of title 18, United States Code."

- I suspect Napolitano's real 'problem' with HR 347 was no more than manufactured sensationalism at a point when his show was hanging in the balance of being scrapped by FOX (it was scrapped, anyway - ironically, the same week the bill was signed). If indeed there had been a problem perceived by Napolitano, it would have - or at least should have - been with section 1752 of title 18, United States Code, which has been on the books for several decades.

- Unless Napolitano would contend that such a minor bill's signing deserved something on the order of a special Rose Garden ceremony, he was simply lying in his remark about Obama having signed the bill "in secret."

-'Judge' Napolitano sat as a New Jersey Superior Court judge for eight years (1987-95) before springboarding into the public limelight with a TV courtroom show (Power Of Attorney) and various books, eventually leading to a FOX News show and stand-ins for his friend, Glen Beck. He called himself "The Ayn Rand of FOX News." After his dismissal, with FOX becoming annoyed with the deluge of angry and hateful email, he responded in an email to his fans, reading, in part, "....the emails many of you are sending are unfairly interfering with my work and that of my colleagues here. The emails even violate our values because they interfere with the use of private property.......As a favor to me, and as I have asked this past weekend, PLEASE STOP SENDING EMAILS TO MY COLLEAGUES AT FOX ABOUT THE CANCELLATION OF FreedomWatch; and please stop NOW." [CAPS sic]

So much for THAT abuse of free expression.

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