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Missouri

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Missouri Proposition B: The Puppy Mill Bill

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Disappointed American

Ozark, MO

#409 Oct 9, 2010
I WILL BE VOTING NO ON PROP B! Every one of these rural or as you say it "inbred hillbilly" towns in Missouri are strongly opposed. In my opinion the bill might have some support but not nearly as large as Missouri's agriculture population.
Matt

Kirksville, MO

#410 Oct 9, 2010
Unconstitutional and unethical

How do you make someone give away their dog or euthanize it?
How do you make someone take their dog to the vet?
Is the state going to pay for the annual exam? That is taking away a basic right.
How long will it be before HSUS tries to go after the individual dog owner? Give them a taste of power and they won't stop here folks. Look at their track record in the other states. Next up your American Farmer.
Matt

Kirksville, MO

#411 Oct 9, 2010
HSUS is becoming a Nazi regime. Invading peoples personal property and taking away their rights? This is still America. They need to be investigated by IRS. This crap isn't non-profit activity. We all know that they don't give their millions to spay/neuter. If they did, people could actually afford to adopt. Last time I went into one they wanted $400 for a 10 yr old stray. Come on ? In a bad economy?

Since: Sep 10

Florissant

#412 Oct 9, 2010
Matt wrote:
Unconstitutional and unethical
How do you make someone give away their dog or euthanize it?
How do you make someone take their dog to the vet?
Is the state going to pay for the annual exam? That is taking away a basic right.
How long will it be before HSUS tries to go after the individual dog owner? Give them a taste of power and they won't stop here folks. Look at their track record in the other states. Next up your American Farmer.
What basic right? You're against people being responsible for their pets? What do you do when your dog is sick or injured, let it lie around in pain or just wait for it to die miserably or do you just drop it off in the woods? You make me sick. Having a pet is a privilege not a right...and your kind of thinking is why a law like this is even necessary.
Matt

Kirksville, MO

#413 Oct 9, 2010
I'm going to pass a law mandating that you submit to a mental exam each year. You must also take your dog for a yearly physical regardless if it is sick or not. I just witnessed you feed your dog from the table. You know that can't cause pancreatitis. I'm going to hotline you to HSUS for endangering your doggies health.
Matt

Kirksville, MO

#414 Oct 9, 2010
We will pass a law giving us the right to inspect each dog owners home. If we don't think that you are doing a good enough job we will take your dog and give it to someone else.
Matt

Kirksville, MO

#415 Oct 9, 2010
If it is such a wonderful thing, why doesn't HSUS, shelters, rescues, catteries have to follow it?
on staff

United States

#416 Oct 9, 2010
Most shelters have in house veterinarians and they aren't required to only have so many dogs because they are not breeding them.

This only applies to puppy mills that are breeding dogs to sell. It doesn't apply to a pet owner.
HATES ECO-TERRORISTS

Ozark, MO

#417 Oct 9, 2010
Prop Owner wrote:
<quoted text>
What basic right? You're against people being responsible for their pets? What do you do when your dog is sick or injured, let it lie around in pain or just wait for it to die miserably or do you just drop it off in the woods? You make me sick. Having a pet is a privilege not a right...and your kind of thinking is why a law like this is even necessary.
LOLOLOLOL... Your such a dumbfuck dude... It's your kind that make the perfect poster children for an ECO-TERRORIST. Go eat your seaweed burger and shut the fuck up. Can you dumbshits not see you are out numbered on here and almost everywhere except the HSUS forums and blogs. Oh, I forgot I read earlier about HSUS paying .75 per post or something like that. Maybe you can go post there where you can feel like somebody that matters, or do you lose the .75 for posting on inner organization forums and blogs?
K-9 friend

Faridabad, India

#418 Oct 9, 2010
There are a lot of untruths that have been spoken out in may othe the statements i have read on this topic. The truth is is there are already laws on the books that can and would shut dwn these substandard kennels "puppy mills' but the ones thats in law inforcement dont know where they are in most casses. No one wants to call the and report them they just want to sit back on their larels and let it be , but at the same time bitch and complain about it. This prop b will just add more regs on the ones that are already there. More government controll that WILL effect in the long run more than You see a stop sign at he end of the road , many many people are running right through it , so you complain and complain until the the highwaydept deside" Lets put a bigger stop sign there along with the one that is already there. so theydo so. Now the people are still running both sign. hum when they could have sent the right law inforcement there to monotor the situation and fine andpunish the ones that were breaking the law running them , who gets hurt but the one having the ride away but got hit by one that broke the law running the stop sign.What would it take to make the first sign work withthos e that ran it. LAW INFORCEMENT

This Prop B is no more than that , a expanded law that will beput on top of the existing ones now there. The law breking substandard kennels will continue to do the same thing they are now.(like those that ran the stop sign and the double stop sign) What would it take to wipe out PUPPY MILLS but not hurt the already law abiding Licensed Regulted inspected, Kennels, FIRST people reporting thos substandard kennels (puppy Mills ) the the right law inforcement. Department of Ag.

HSUS sister to PETA ... do very little to actually help animals ....
.01% of every dollar they take in actually goes to care of any kind to animals
the other part of there income ( MILLIONS ON MILLIONS ) goes to legislation,,lobbing ,,,and there retirement plans and saleries. Why not putas much money as they have this last week into the Department of Ag. along with the list of the so called 3000 puppy mills and then watch them be put out of business. No this is the way they make their money praying on the pocket books of people that beleave everything they say. There are only just over 1300 LICENSED Breeders in Missouri where are the so called 1700 puppy mills they clain are in Missouri.
What is Shame is if they know who they are then turn them in and let the state of Missouri Department of Agriculture go after them.
WHay dont they ? Because they are making up numbers and trying to get to the people and get their votes to shut downthe leagle law abiding licensed Kennels. That is truely what this billl is all about .

Get your info, vistis these sites: www.theallianceforthrut.com or or www.humanewatch.org
www.mofb.org
www.missourifac.com

before you all post plesase visit the above sites
before you vote ,,,,truely know what you are truely voting for ... thanks
WeThePeople

Fort Worth, TX

#419 Oct 9, 2010
Prop Owner wrote:
<quoted text>
What basic right? You're against people being responsible for their pets? What do you do when your dog is sick or injured, let it lie around in pain or just wait for it to die miserably or do you just drop it off in the woods? You make me sick. Having a pet is a privilege not a right...and your kind of thinking is why a law like this is even necessary.
Perhaps they provide comfort care until the dog's own immune system has healed itself rather than speeding down the road to the vet only to be told 'he probably has some kind of infection going on' sold broad spectrum antibiotics, which the dog is never given the full course of anyway.

It isn't your decision to make for them. You aren't superior to anyone. The real experts are the people up to their elbows in animal husbandry everyday and the people who know their own dog(s). I have heard more outrageous advice from veterinarians than I care to remember. So don't continue parroting your ignorance based drivel and expect no one to refute every last inane word you type.
CalebDVM

Kirksville, MO

#420 Oct 9, 2010
There is this big myth that there are no shutdowns. I've been involved in several. I've had clients that I myself have had to call the state about and we have shut them down. The licensed folks are annually inspected by a fed, state, AKC if they reg. through them and me. That is 4 inspections. I am in constant contact with them 24/7. The majority of my kennel clients are retiring their bitches a 7 yrs of age and we connect them with a rescue.My assoc. and I do routine dentals on all adults. We do the euthanasias and the wife is the one who brings them in because the husband can't stand to watch. The last one the wife stood there and cried. I asked if she wanted me to dispose and she said no we have a special place where we bury them. We inspect all of the pups prior to sale. The problems that I see and it is growing is people not knowing squat about how to take care of a puppy. They feed the pup off the table, their kids twist the legs, then we want to blame the breeder. I even had a gal call from N.Y. Somethin wrong with this pup it just looks at me. What is it supposed to do, I asked? I don't know? I've never had one before! The mill bit has become the new social cool "in" thing for some. I've seen more disgusting horrible rescues and no kill shelters than bad kennels. Prop B not including them is what really kills the whole deal. Doesn't look good folks. They taut the big moral thing but don't want to live by it either. They know that they can't. Thus there is the true story. Do the math folks. Look at HSUS/PETA track record. Next up will be your farmer. You think food costs are high now and vet bills are high? You are about to get a real education.
Norton

Kansas City, MO

#421 Oct 9, 2010
The Eagle8 wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll be voting NO to this amendment.
This amendment will hinder the legitimate
breeders and do nothing to the illegal
"puppy mills".
We do not need another amendment; the laws
that are already in place should be enforced.
This amendment is strongly supported by
interests outside of Missouri; you gotta
wonder why...
I'm glad you posted this. I have been mulling this over and wasn't sure about it. Thanks, it helped a lot.
Sheryl

Kirksville, MO

#422 Oct 9, 2010
Our USDA inspector is working with us. We have 150 dogs. My sister and brother are now licensed and each will take 50 dogs. We work as a family to support our kids. We hire outside help from town. Our dogs receive better care than most city dogs. They aren't fed crap off the table and we are with them 24/7. Our kids are in here working and learning responsibility while those animal rights kids sniff their gluff and eat their ADHD pills. My personal opinion to HSUS is: up yours!
Dogs_Arent_Lives tock

United States

#423 Oct 9, 2010
Matt wrote:
Unconstitutional and unethical
How do you make someone give away their dog or euthanize it?
How do you make someone take their dog to the vet?
Is the state going to pay for the annual exam? That is taking away a basic right.
How long will it be before HSUS tries to go after the individual dog owner? Give them a taste of power and they won't stop here folks. Look at their track record in the other states. Next up your American Farmer.
State and city governments with BSL (Breed Specific Legislation) banning pits and/or other breeds are making many people give away their dog or have it euthanized; often not even giving them the prior option. The current law already requires a vet visit a licensed breeding facility annually. Prop B requires the vet actually do a hands-on evaluation of each dog and not just a walk through. Seems reasonable to me. If a vet is going to go to a facility s/he should actually check the animals there; I would think the breeders would want this done since they care so much about their dogs, right? Oh, I forgot, dog farmers, unlike pig, chicken and cattle farmers, are hypocrites who treat the parent dogs as livestock and sell their offspring as "cherished family pets"---are dogs livestock or pets? They can't have it both ways. Why worry about vet treatment when you can replace a breeder dog cheaper than providing vet care--that's the dog farmers' mentality.
Dogs_Arent_Lives tock

United States

#424 Oct 9, 2010
Norton wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm glad you posted this. I have been mulling this over and wasn't sure about it. Thanks, it helped a lot.
You should know the current laws (ACFA) allow dogs to be caged their entire lives--they never have to be let out of the cage despite exercise requirements which the opposition fails to mention are met by housing dogs together in a cage--as long as each dog has the minimum space required if housed separately (6" taller, longer, wider than the dog). If a dog is housed alone "exercise" is met by giving it double the min space--so if a dog is put into an enclosure 12" taller, longer wider than itself the requirement for "exercise" is met. UNDER CURRENT LAW IT IS LEGAL FOR DOGS TO BE CAGED THEIR ENTIRE LIVES--doesn't sound too humane to me. Additionally, under current law, breeders can kill their dogs however they want when they're through using them up--shooting; clubbing (as one of the dirty dozen planned to do), drowning--Prop B would require the dogs be euthanized humanely by a vet.

As for all the "outside" groups being in support of this, yes, I live in MO but care about the animals in other states; there's nothing unusual about that. And since MO is providing at least 1/3 of all the puppies to stores across the nation people in other states are affected by what goes on in MO mills. The opposition has plenty of "outsiders" involved as well including Michael Glass from APRI in PA and Rob Heard from APRI in IA.

I also find it extremely hypocritical that those now claiming the current laws (ACFA) are so wonderful fought against passage of such. Yes, MOFED did not want ACFA to pass; they also fought against the ban on cockfighting; stricter laws on dog fighting; requiring people to have their pets vaccinated against rabies by a licensed vet; and were against the "pet friendly" license plates in MO that fund spay/neuter programs. And most recently, and again, hypocritically, in the 2010 legislative session MOFED fought against the removal of the $500 licensing fee cap (commercial breeders pay $100 plus $1 for every dog sold up to $500)and when the Dept of Ag requested the cap be removed so they could get more $ to hire more inspectors, as the opposition claims is the answer, MOFED fought against it and the measure failed. So the same people who say the answer is to give the state more $ to enforce current law fought against the passage of the current law (unsuccessfully) and fought against giving the dept of ag more $(successfully)---can you say HYPOCRITES?
enlighten yourself

United States

#425 Oct 9, 2010
Dollie2 wrote:
If your dad runs a reputable kennel, he

should HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE BILL!!!!!!!!!!
Have you ever heard of George Sorris??? Do you know what a Vegan is?? If you are so unenlightened please read up on the people behind this bill. They care nothing about cats or dogs they are trying to create a new society of non meat eaters and not by choice. You will no longer be able to afford to eat meat. They have been working on this for awhile. Ask yourself why hamburger went from 69 cents a pound to one dollar and eighty nine cents in one year. This has nothing to do with cute little hurt animals. Quite being an idiot and ask the hard questions like who is behind a bill.
TYLER SAMPLE

United States

#426 Oct 10, 2010
Save the animals!!! I'd fight for them over Negros any day!!!
WeThePeople

Fort Worth, TX

#427 Oct 10, 2010
CalebDVM wrote:
There is this big myth that there are no shutdowns. I've been involved in several. I've had clients that I myself have had to call the state about and we have shut them down. The licensed folks are annually inspected by a fed, state, AKC if they reg. through them and me. That is 4 inspections. I am in constant contact with them 24/7. The majority of my kennel clients are retiring their bitches a 7 yrs of age and we connect them with a rescue.My assoc. and I do routine dentals on all adults. We do the euthanasias and the wife is the one who brings them in because the husband can't stand to watch. The last one the wife stood there and cried. I asked if she wanted me to dispose and she said no we have a special place where we bury them. We inspect all of the pups prior to sale. The problems that I see and it is growing is people not knowing squat about how to take care of a puppy. They feed the pup off the table, their kids twist the legs, then we want to blame the breeder. I even had a gal call from N.Y. Somethin wrong with this pup it just looks at me. What is it supposed to do, I asked? I don't know? I've never had one before! The mill bit has become the new social cool "in" thing for some. I've seen more disgusting horrible rescues and no kill shelters than bad kennels. Prop B not including them is what really kills the whole deal. Doesn't look good folks. They taut the big moral thing but don't want to live by it either. They know that they can't. Thus there is the true story. Do the math folks. Look at HSUS/PETA track record. Next up will be your farmer. You think food costs are high now and vet bills are high? You are about to get a real education.
Not all dogs are the same. The man made freak dogs, the ones that would never exists in nature, the tiny neurotic hypoglycemic dogs have different needs than that of German Shepherds, Black and Tan Coonhounds, Samoyeds, etc. A strong healthy dog could easily produce a healthy litter of puppies at age 9 or even 10. I know because I witnessed it as a kid. And no one forced her to breed. Back then nobody cleaned their dog's teeth yet somehow they lived happily to a ripe old age.

Something very wrong is going on in this country. When pet owners refer to themselves as mommy and daddy, spend hundreds to thousands per year on needless pills, poison, and gadgets, breeders are spit on literally or figuratively, fined for petty 'infractions' that normal pet owners wouldn't bat an eye at in their own dog's living conditions, and expected to perform their work for free, well, at some point you've got to step back shake your head and get some perspective.

Since: Feb 09

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#428 Oct 10, 2010
Life in the United States today, people would rather you abort a human than mistreat a dog.

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