Legislation to take public notices ou...

Legislation to take public notices out of newspapers raises question: Would it save or cost money?

There are 18 comments on the The York Daily Record story from May 18, 2011, titled Legislation to take public notices out of newspapers raises question: Would it save or cost money?. In it, The York Daily Record reports that:

Look through any Pennsylvania newspaper and you'll see the public notices. A planning board holding a meeting.

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Since: Dec 07

Arlington, VA

#1 May 18, 2011
I've used computers and the Internet for the last 20 of my 58 years, but there are a significant number of people in PA who are not computer-literate, so online posting of public notices would tend to deprive them of the constructive notice contemplated by law. Eventually, all dinosaurs become extinct and online notices may be appropriate, but we're not there yet.
Tierney Notes

York, PA

#2 May 18, 2011
I agree with Jeff. My computer background began in 1970; and I have been a PC user since 1988, which is 23 years of stress and misery and Microsoft. My next machine will be a MAC, since I do not have to buy PC-Compatible software anymore. As Baby Boomers, Jeff and I recognize how many of the generation preceding us, and thanks to smartphones, Generation X and Y behind us; none of these people are PC intenders for several reasons. Our parents and family members who have avoided computers will continue to do so because of bad press like Craigslist, etc, and the fact that 1 out of 5 marriages begin online now and 1 of 6 divorces begin there as well. If the truth be known, how many domestic battery cases are on file for being E-Harmonious in the home?

The upcoming generations prefer to be online and with their peers simultaneously; so netbooks with detachable smartphones are hitting the market.

I have no idea what information is being texted or spoken online, outside of sexual progress and possibly a constant stream of lies. Then there's Brett Favre ...

Newspapers must remain viable and available to provide, like snail mail, hand held readable information concerning all types of news; social,
sports, finance, and retrievable advertising you
can shop with.

Technology is in an overdrive mode that is offending the intelligence of scholars who recognize that the only real technology is our God-given brains.

For some of us, anyway.
Common Sense Soldier

York, PA

#3 May 18, 2011
This proposed bill and others like it, would make government at all levels appear to be a secret society if you will, mainly because not everyone has the internet.

In a day when people deserve FULL disclosure, this helps to hide any.
Age of Dinosaurs

York, PA

#4 May 18, 2011
Possible we should also print these notices in Spanish/Korean/Vietnamese/Germ an/French/PortuGEESEian/Laplan dese/Pig Latin and most especially, Ebonics!
Plus the fact that the poor cannot afford a newspaper and the old can't see to read it and are too bullheaded to become computer literate. Then there's Tierney, who writes brilliant dissertations but knows not her a## from a teacup! Which brings up the point, what about the illiterates? Later, goin' out to the two (2) holer to make a deposit!

“Studly and Santaesque”

Since: Jan 09

Lancaster, PA

#5 May 19, 2011
Tierney Notes wrote:
My computer background began in 1970; and I have been a PC user since 1988, which is 23 years of stress and misery and Microsoft.
I started programming on an IBM 1130 in 1969, and have been a PC user since 1976, when they weren't yet called PCs. I've written tax software used by HRBlock, and the first Gin Rummy game for the PC.

Ask anyone who's programmed for both Apple and Microsoft, anyone who's supported both Apple and Microsoft. As bad as Microsoft is, Apple is worse for stress and misery, and it's a whole lot more expensive as well. Apple repeatedly screws their customers, and I'll never buy from them again. Of the five puters my wife and I run, the one that generates the least stress and misery is the one running CentOS.

The next PC I buy will be an Android tablet, though.

“Studly and Santaesque”

Since: Jan 09

Lancaster, PA

#6 May 19, 2011
Common Sense Soldier wrote:
This proposed bill and others like it, would make government at all levels appear to be a secret society if you will, mainly because not everyone has the internet.
In a day when people deserve FULL disclosure, this helps to hide any.
The only people who don't have the internet are too stupid to read the legal notices, anyway.

Naked DSL from Verizon is $21.99/month, and MagicJack is $1.70/month. The people who don't have internet are spending twice that for a landline, and that doesn't give them long distance, nor does it give them voicemail.

If they put legal notices online, it means you'll be able to set up a Google Alert so you don't miss anything that's important to you.

What's the downside of online legal notices? The legal notices in the newspapers are the most profitable advertising a newspaper runs. Every time a newspaper thinks twice about exposing official corruption, the publisher has to think twice about the possibility of the legal notices being yanked from his newspaper and published in a different newspaper. In most cases, the law says it has to be published in a newspaper of general circulation in the state. A newspaper of general circulation means a regular newspaper, as opposed to a financial newspaper or an industry newspaper.

I had a friend in the 1970s with a newspaper in an itty bitty town in another state that only had a few hundred readers, but he got tons of legal notices from insurance companies because he sponsored a ritzy invitational golf tournament. Free entry, free room, free female caddies, free 19th hole, if he invited you - and if your company put their legal ads in his paper, you got an invite. What a racket!
curious

Bethlehem, PA

#7 May 19, 2011
Harl Delos wrote:
<quoted text>
The only people who don't have the internet are too stupid to read the legal notices, anyway.
Naked DSL from Verizon is $21.99/month, and MagicJack is $1.70/month. The people who don't have internet are spending twice that for a landline, and that doesn't give them long distance, nor does it give them voicemail.
If they put legal notices online, it means you'll be able to set up a Google Alert so you don't miss anything that's important to you.
What's the downside of online legal notices? The legal notices in the newspapers are the most profitable advertising a newspaper runs. Every time a newspaper thinks twice about exposing official corruption, the publisher has to think twice about the possibility of the legal notices being yanked from his newspaper and published in a different newspaper. In most cases, the law says it has to be published in a newspaper of general circulation in the state. A newspaper of general circulation means a regular newspaper, as opposed to a financial newspaper or an industry newspaper.
I had a friend in the 1970s with a newspaper in an itty bitty town in another state that only had a few hundred readers, but he got tons of legal notices from insurance companies because he sponsored a ritzy invitational golf tournament. Free entry, free room, free female caddies, free 19th hole, if he invited you - and if your company put their legal ads in his paper, you got an invite. What a racket!
Who gave you the power to call people stupid, Stupid?
Grady

York, PA

#8 May 19, 2011
Hardly anyone reads the newspaper anymore. If you are interested in attending meetings, check the government website.
Tierney Notes

York, PA

#10 May 19, 2011
Age of Dinosaurs wrote:
Possible we should also print these notices in Spanish/Korean/Vietnamese/Germ an/French/PortuGEESEian/Laplan dese/Pig Latin and most especially, Ebonics!
Plus the fact that the poor cannot afford a newspaper and the old can't see to read it and are too bullheaded to become computer literate. Then there's Tierney, who writes brilliant dissertations but knows not her a## from a teacup! Which brings up the point, what about the illiterates? Later, goin' out to the two (2) holer to make a deposit!
Your response on this forum does not deserve to be acknowledged, since your literacy is questionable and forums are not designed to
insult the intelligence of the serious participants who have a legitimate opinion and point of view. How you surmised I am a female is very much of interest; since I am a 59 year old male,
and probably also to your disappointment, straight.
Tierney Notes

York, PA

#11 May 19, 2011
Grady wrote:
Hardly anyone reads the newspaper anymore. If you are interested in attending meetings, check the government website.
Grady, I'm curious why you say 'hardly anyone reads the newspaper anymore.' Many seniors maintain their subscriptions for the macabre reason of following the obituaries; or to follow the engagements and marriages; or the 50-60-70 year anniversaries of their friends and/or members of their church. 30 years and up males love to be infuriated by the sports columnists, or simply to commiserate on their team's position in the standings. 30 years and up females scour the ad stuffers for sales, styles, and a reason to shop. Generation Y ('pants on the ground and the tattoo generation') don't know what a newspaper is except the ones at the check out lines featuring Lady Gaga or a Rapper shot dead in a drive by.

So I'm at a loss where you can say hardly anyone reads a newspaper anymore. Yes, several papers across the country failed over the last decade, but the internet wasn't at fault. Like toilet tissue and beer, a product has to be marketed correctly. The newspaper has the additional task of selling advertising space, so the seniors, sports readers, and shoppers know what's going on and where.

By the time you find all that on the internet, the sun has set.

“Studly and Santaesque”

Since: Jan 09

Lancaster, PA

#12 May 19, 2011
curious wrote:
Who gave you the power to call people stupid, Stupid?
You were unaware that I'm the son of God?
Common Sense Soldier

York, PA

#13 May 19, 2011
Harl Delos wrote:
<quoted text>You were unaware that I'm the son of God?
Then go get on a cross and die already!

You're just another dumbass.
jones

Reading, PA

#14 May 19, 2011
Grady wrote:
Hardly anyone reads the newspaper anymore. If you are interested in attending meetings, check the government website.
Papers and reporters are a dying breed . As soon as they start charging to get on this nutty thread no one will give a rats butt what Harrisburg does or who they shack up with. If this governor or AG isn't going to stop all this nonsense why read about it.
jones

Reading, PA

#15 May 19, 2011
Tierney Notes wrote:
<quoted text>
Grady, I'm curious why you say 'hardly anyone reads the newspaper anymore.' Many seniors maintain their subscriptions for the macabre reason of following the obituaries; or to follow the engagements and marriages; or the 50-60-70 year anniversaries of their friends and/or members of their church. 30 years and up males love to be infuriated by the sports columnists, or simply to commiserate on their team's position in the standings. 30 years and up females scour the ad stuffers for sales, styles, and a reason to shop. Generation Y ('pants on the ground and the tattoo generation') don't know what a newspaper is except the ones at the check out lines featuring Lady Gaga or a Rapper shot dead in a drive by.
So I'm at a loss where you can say hardly anyone reads a newspaper anymore. Yes, several papers across the country failed over the last decade, but the internet wasn't at fault. Like toilet tissue and beer, a product has to be marketed correctly. The newspaper has the additional task of selling advertising space, so the seniors, sports readers, and shoppers know what's going on and where.
By the time you find all that on the internet, the sun has set.
Most of the seniors are the only ones stupid enough to get a peper delivered anymore. They're the walking dead and won't be able to read their own obit. Marketing newspapers is harder than a pimp works in York
Your Highness

Mechanicsburg, PA

#16 May 19, 2011
Harl Delos wrote:
<quoted text>
I started programming on an IBM 1130 in 1969, and have been a PC user since 1976, when they weren't yet called PCs. I've written tax software used by HRBlock, and the first Gin Rummy game for the PC.
Ask anyone who's programmed for both Apple and Microsoft, anyone who's supported both Apple and Microsoft. As bad as Microsoft is, Apple is worse for stress and misery, and it's a whole lot more expensive as well. Apple repeatedly screws their customers, and I'll never buy from them again. Of the five puters my wife and I run, the one that generates the least stress and misery is the one running CentOS.
The next PC I buy will be an Android tablet, though.
Well whoop di freakin do....your special, I think the stress your wife is feeling is from being married to you.
TraderJay

Lancaster, PA

#17 May 20, 2011
This has to be a Repub. idea. Keep people uninformed, when you read the paper it's in your face. If i see it in the paper i may read it, but i'm not going to search the net for something such as legal notices. Besides, doesn't the state have more important things to accomplish than this??
Tierney Notes

York, PA

#18 May 21, 2011
jones wrote:
<quoted text>
Most of the seniors are the only ones stupid enough to get a peper delivered anymore. They're the walking dead and won't be able to read their own obit. Marketing newspapers is harder than a pimp works in York
This is the second time this week I've been called a senior citizen.
Hell, I'm only 59.

“Studly and Santaesque”

Since: Jan 09

Lancaster, PA

#19 May 21, 2011
TraderJay wrote:
This has to be a Repub. idea. Keep people uninformed, when you read the paper it's in your face. If i see it in the paper i may read it, but i'm not going to search the net for something such as legal notices. Besides, doesn't the state have more important things to accomplish than this??
Legal ads are the most profitable advertising that a newspaper runs. A newspaper typically gets 5 times as much as for the display ads a supermarket runs.

And the printed ads don't do the job. It's hard to catch every ad that appears in the newspapers. Companies that regularly sell to the government, for instance, contractors and dealers selling cars, trucks and busses, often subscribe to a service that finds the relevant ads for them.

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