Just vote

Romeoville, IL

#206 Jan 9, 2013
Please elaborate.
Ben wrote:
Looking forward to posting a total compensation via the taxpayer that Noak's received in the past 10 years. This will be good.
Ben

Plainfield, IL

#207 Jan 9, 2013
Noak was an employee of Judy Biggert for a long time prior to his 80,000 a year job as Mayor. His job was taxpayer funded. I don't believe that Noak has held a job that wasn't paid for by us.
Vote For Noak

Romeoville, IL

#208 Jan 9, 2013
So what? He interned for her just like a lot of young people do. This is not some big revelation. What's your point?
Ben wrote:
Noak was an employee of Judy Biggert for a long time prior to his 80,000 a year job as Mayor. His job was taxpayer funded. I don't believe that Noak has held a job that wasn't paid for by us.
Who Cares

Springfield, IL

#209 Jan 9, 2013
Ben wrote:
Noak was an employee of Judy Biggert for a long time prior to his 80,000 a year job as Mayor. His job was taxpayer funded. I don't believe that Noak has held a job that wasn't paid for by us.
Is that all you Noak naysayers have to harp on is his "bloated" salary? 80k? Come on now. You're telling me that an educated person with years of experience in the political field doesn't deserve 80k for successfully running/managing a town? Just because you don't make 80k doesn't mean NOBODY deserves to make 80k. Furthermore, 80K is NOT an obscene amount of money or some unreasonable salary goal for many hard-working, educated, ambitious Americans to obtain nowadays. And big whoop...taxpayers fund his salary boo hoo. We also fund the salaries of teachers, firefighters, policemen, etc, etc, etc. So please people...find some REAL reasons for us to NOT vote for Noak this April. Good Luck.
Dose of reality

Bolingbrook, IL

#210 Jan 9, 2013
This kind of concerns me,

" You're telling me that an educated person with years of experience in the political field doesn't deserve 80k for successfully running/managing a town?"

I don't think years of experience in politics is what you really want to represent you. I think that actually robs a candidate of some world experience that is necessary to understand the people you represent.

Political experience just means, knows how to raise money and get votes. That doesn't equate to being the best person to represent the whole in my opinion.

And while I may vote for Noak for lack of a better option, his approach to spending and career politician status is what worries me.
Union supporter

Chicago, IL

#211 Jan 9, 2013
Dose of reality wrote:
This kind of concerns me,
" You're telling me that an educated person with years of experience in the political field doesn't deserve 80k for successfully running/managing a town?"
I don't think years of experience in politics is what you really want to represent you. I think that actually robs a candidate of some world experience that is necessary to understand the people you represent.
Political experience just means, knows how to raise money and get votes. That doesn't equate to being the best person to represent the whole in my opinion.
And while I may vote for Noak for lack of a better option, his approach to spending and career politician status is what worries me.
You do know that Mayor Noak has worked other jobs don't you? In fact, he put himself through college because both his parents were fully disabled before he even graduated high school. He grew up in the same exact type of house that everyone in Hampton Park owns and his family is full of hard working union members and workers.
Probably one of the reasons he has already gotten the endorsement of the Will County Building Trades, the Firefighters Unions and the Will County Central Trades. Which combined represent almost all of the unions in Will County.
Just thought you should know that.
Disagree

United States

#212 Jan 9, 2013
Dose of reality wrote:
This kind of concerns me,
" You're telling me that an educated person with years of experience in the political field doesn't deserve 80k for successfully running/managing a town?"
I don't think years of experience in politics is what you really want to represent you. I think that actually robs a candidate of some world experience that is necessary to understand the people you represent.
Political experience just means, knows how to raise money and get votes. That doesn't equate to being the best person to represent the whole in my opinion.
And while I may vote for Noak for lack of a better option, his approach to spending and career politician status is what worries me.
You are discrediting his education. A Pol Sci degree and years of experience only means he can raise money and secure votes? Please. Thats like saying a nurse only knows how to take someone's temperature and flirt with the good looking doctors. The fact that he SUCCESSFULLY runs Romeoville deems him worthy of the salary he makes. His approach to spending? What's worrisome about it?
anti mongo

Romeoville, IL

#213 Jan 9, 2013
World experience? Hmmhh where did i hear that before? Gail ..isnt that wwhat youre preachiing? And for ben..jeff etc..your isp is in plaiinfield..isnt that where mongo really liives..do you jave your wife typing
Dose of reality

Bolingbrook, IL

#214 Jan 10, 2013
What jobs did he have in college?

And I don't even know if that is an argument. Everyone I know who went to college had to work to pay for it too, so I don't see how that earns any extra kudos.

Furthermore, I did say that I would probably vote for him because of the lack of an option. So calm down before you go on the attack.

And if anyone thinks that political endorsements are worth much of anything, you will continue to be hoodwinked. Ask anyone in those trade unions if they had a say in supporting him. Who do you suggest they should endorse? They will always side with the incumbent.

And don't compare a politician to a nurse. That is not even a close comparison. Nurses work to save lives and help the sick. That gives politicians (whoever they are) way too much credit.

I realize that some of you are here to push agendas but you all must know we can smell it from a mile away. The citizens aren't that dumb.
Disagree

Romeoville, IL

#215 Jan 10, 2013
Dose of reality wrote:
What jobs did he have in college?
And I don't even know if that is an argument. Everyone I know who went to college had to work to pay for it too, so I don't see how that earns any extra kudos.
Furthermore, I did say that I would probably vote for him because of the lack of an option. So calm down before you go on the attack.
And if anyone thinks that political endorsements are worth much of anything, you will continue to be hoodwinked. Ask anyone in those trade unions if they had a say in supporting him. Who do you suggest they should endorse? They will always side with the incumbent.
And don't compare a politician to a nurse. That is not even a close comparison. Nurses work to save lives and help the sick. That gives politicians (whoever they are) way too much credit.
I realize that some of you are here to push agendas but you all must know we can smell it from a mile away. The citizens aren't that dumb.
Please re-read my comment. You were glossing over his educational background and making a generalization because he has the label of a politican. I was giving another example of what you did by choosing a completely unrelated field to show how ignorant your comment that was. Comparing politicians and nurses is like comparing apples and oranges, no doubt.
Ben

Romeoville, IL

#216 Jan 10, 2013
Who Cares wrote:
<quoted text>
Is that all you Noak naysayers have to harp on is his "bloated" salary? 80k? Come on now. You're telling me that an educated person with years of experience in the political field doesn't deserve 80k for successfully running/managing a town? Just because you don't make 80k doesn't mean NOBODY deserves to make 80k. Furthermore, 80K is NOT an obscene amount of money or some unreasonable salary goal for many hard-working, educated, ambitious Americans to obtain nowadays. And big whoop...taxpayers fund his salary boo hoo. We also fund the salaries of teachers, firefighters, policemen, etc, etc, etc. So please people...find some REAL reasons for us to NOT vote for Noak this April. Good Luck.
If his 80,000 was the only salary that would be fine. But don't we have two or three other people in the Administration with the same duties making much, much more????
Dose of reality

Bolingbrook, IL

#217 Jan 10, 2013
I don't think I was glossing over his education. I am fully aware of his education and his political background.

I don't put too much weight on a political science degree. Sorry if that hurts anyone's feelings but it isn't a degree that prepares one to manage a municipality, it's focus is understanding and managing the political process. I think those are 2 different things entirely. I think someone with a degree in management or organizational management or managerial experience would be much better suited to the position. I realize that candidate doesn't currently exist but my point is, don't put too much weight on the degree.

Case in point, consider Ben's comment about the fact that we pay for a full time mayor, a village manger and an assistant village manager all making in excess of $80k per year. I don't know of another municipality that does that. That is not fiscally responsible and that money doesn't come from the magic money machine.
Horse Supporter

Chicago, IL

#218 Jan 10, 2013
Dose of reality wrote:
I don't think I was glossing over his education. I am fully aware of his education and his political background.
I don't put too much weight on a political science degree. Sorry if that hurts anyone's feelings but it isn't a degree that prepares one to manage a municipality, it's focus is understanding and managing the political process. I think those are 2 different things entirely. I think someone with a degree in management or organizational management or managerial experience would be much better suited to the position. I realize that candidate doesn't currently exist but my point is, don't put too much weight on the degree.
Case in point, consider Ben's comment about the fact that we pay for a full time mayor, a village manger and an assistant village manager all making in excess of $80k per year. I don't know of another municipality that does that. That is not fiscally responsible and that money doesn't come from the magic money machine.
Your argument is meaningless. This issue was decided back in 2005 and was discussed again four years ago and the voters didn't have an issue then either. No matter who wins it will still be the same. Bolingbrook actually functions exactly the same but with slightly different titles, but the functions are the same and Bolingbrook's pay is far higher.

Now let's take the example of a small fire district like lets say "Lemont Fire Protection District". How many chiefs does a small district need? Lets see the top three chiefs there make almost twice as much combined as the three village people you mentioned. Why does a small district need to pay that much? Wow seems some others might have some explaining to do.
Dose of reality

Bolingbrook, IL

#219 Jan 10, 2013
How did we get to Lemont?
Little John

Bolingbrook, IL

#220 Jan 10, 2013
Horse Supporter wrote:
<quoted text>
Your argument is meaningless. This issue was decided back in 2005 and was discussed again four years ago and the voters didn't have an issue then either. No matter who wins it will still be the same. Bolingbrook actually functions exactly the same but with slightly different titles, but the functions are the same and Bolingbrook's pay is far higher.
Now let's take the example of a small fire district like lets say "Lemont Fire Protection District". How many chiefs does a small district need? Lets see the top three chiefs there make almost twice as much combined as the three village people you mentioned. Why does a small district need to pay that much? Wow seems some others might have some explaining to do.
Nice 1 John.
Horse Supporter

Chicago, IL

#221 Jan 10, 2013
Little John wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice 1 John.
Gail, Thomasz, Rich... well it doesn't matter your all the same. You only wish you knew.
duh

United States

#222 Jan 10, 2013
Dose of reality wrote:
How did we get to Lemont?
the lemont fire chief is running for trustee ?
ken

Chicago, IL

#223 Jan 10, 2013
Dose of reality wrote:
How did we get to Lemont?
It is always easy to look and point finger at someone else than address your own problems. Our mayor is well known for passing blame on to others and "asking" them to take a bullet for him. In his book this is called “leadership”
Dose of reality

Bolingbrook, IL

#224 Jan 11, 2013
"In his book this is called “leadership”"

-Sounds like cowardice to me.
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Romeoville, IL

#225 Jan 11, 2013
ken wrote:
<quoted text>
It is always easy to look and point finger at someone else than address your own problems. Our mayor is well known for passing blame on to others and "asking" them to take a bullet for him. In his book this is called “leadership”
Please expand upon the above generalized statement by providing factual examples. I still not see many sound arguments on these Topix threads as to why I should vote for Dewald or McMichael over Noak. I feel strongly that voters should be educated. Vote educated, or please don't bother. As of now...I think even a newborn infant child would have enough sense to vote Noak over the other 2 candidates. I may not agree with everything 'dose of reality' has said, but by golly they sound educated, can speak and argue well, and most importantly still realize Noak is probably the lesser of 3 evils.

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