Observation

Louisville, KY

#22 Jan 20, 2013
You are arguing with a moron Drake. Masters is a black atheist in a white body. You would do better to have this conversation with your cat.
John Masters

Lexington, KY

#23 Jan 20, 2013
Drake wrote:
John Masters,
“The US is an Empire”
>>Which said Empire my third Great Grandfather fought against as he was a member of the Confederacy during the war of Northern Aggression.
“something Drake said from above, is that the murder of German Catholics in 1855 in Louisville was "okay" to him, because of past crimes of Catholics. That's racist. That's putting on everybody the crimes of others.”
>>>That is because the catholic religion does not allow individual private judgment. Roman Catholicism teaches ultra-montanism. Thus these people are not personal enemies they are national enemies and thus they do not qualify for the enemies mentioned by Christ that we should love and tolerate.
“and being Protestant just means that you aren't a Catholic.”
>>>Not exactly. Eastern orthodox are not Roman Catholics but they do not consider themselves protestant. Anabaptists also do not consider themselves Protestant.
“Thinking it's okay to murder innocent folks is evil, and not what Jesus Christ would want... so this "Protestant" from above is preaching hatred on Catholics, and all things not Protestant... he's saying his Jesus Christ and God is better than ours... that's how this is going to go down ? Christians murdering each other ? How is that Christian like ?”
>>>That is a typical liberal and ignorant conflation. A national enemy is not the same thing as a personal one and he who smites thy cheek is not the same thing as he who burns thee at the stake.
I dont believe all that happened in the movie, The Gangs of New York, but the battle b/t the Nativist New Yorkers and the newly arriving Irish, is exactly what happened in 1855, in Louisville. Too bad after 10 years, Louisville elected a German for Mayor, so they didn't wipe us out.


Catholics do not believe that you have to be Catholic or that you'll be put to death. That's horshyt.

It's also interesting how you use the strawman argument of "you're a liberal", just like Rush Limbaugh. I'm a Socialist, w/ Anarchist leanings, if you must know. A Social Anarchist... or an Anarcho-Syndicalist. BUT, so was Jesus Christ. He was a long-haired hippie, speaking about peace, freedom, and justice, and questioning the ruling Empire, and feeding the poor, and hanging out with the muck of society, the prostitutes, the lepers, the criminals, the tax collectors, etc.

And about fighting the Empire... US wasn't an Empire in 1860s. It became an Empire after the Spanish American war in the 1890s, when they claimed the Phillipines colony, and Guam, and Puerto Rico, and Hawaii... which was just a colony of America, when it was bombed in 1941. So yeah, the Confederates weren't fighting the Empire. While I agree with the feelings of Independence and Freedom, and State's Rights, and I believe in the right to secession, I do not believe in slavery, which is what the Civil War was about.
John Masters

Lexington, KY

#25 Jan 20, 2013
"being Protestant just means that you aren't a Catholic.”

Ur response:

">>>Not exactly. Eastern orthodox are not Roman Catholics but they do not consider themselves protestant. Anabaptists also do not consider themselves Protestant."

Interesting.
Drake

Louisville, KY

#26 Jan 20, 2013
John Masters,

“But some of us actually listen to Jesus's words, and some of us actually care. Some of us want to do right in this world, and make it a better place.”

>>>And the western world agrees that the 1648 Treaty of Westphalia is the movement that began the Modern Period. The Protestant Victory in the 30 years War! We are the ones who opened the freedom of the press.

“the KKK is Protestant and the Puritans were too”

>>>Again the KKK is not a monolithic organization. Stop saying THE KKK. There is no such thing. There are many KKKs. Tell me which one you are talking about. The first one was Protestant and I would have been a member of it. It was a legit organization. At their time there were actually fake KKKs committing atrocities in their name. These were the Tories. Susan Davis spills much ink on this in her great work. The later KKKs were infiltrated by that white Devil Pike and then later the FBI and the CIA. These were not legitimate white nationalist organizations. It was all cointelpro to provide moral justification for the uncivil rights era’s rape of the Southern Protestant white culture yet again and if I had been living at that time I would have been pretty suspicious of black people as well. They were the Yankee's Rod.

Yes of course the Puritans were Protestant. BTW, the lands grants given to the Puritans were political. They were not property rights. Property was sought through purchase which they did often, most notably with William Penn and then also the Treaty of Fort Stanwix.

“but history showed that violence works.”

>>>Not all violence is evil. Exo 32:26 -. For anyone who supports our government's policies over the past 150 years which you clearly do John Masters I find it incredibly hypocritical that you are supportive of the murder and rape of my ancestors in the South but you are against violence huh? Typical liberal hypocrisy!

“Otto Von Bismarck when he passed an anti-Catholic law... in the 1870s.|”

>>>And don’t forget about the expulsion of the Jesuits in 1872. That is what we need to do first. Get the Jesuits and their foot soldiers, the Knights of Malta and the Freemasons the hell out of here ASAP.

“And Hitler killed the Jews.”

>>>And he was a Catholic, brought to power by a Catholic Knight of Malta, Von Papen.
Drake

Louisville, KY

#27 Jan 20, 2013
John Masters,

“Just like Hitler. He's trying to make a continuity of Protestants...“

>>>I still need to read a number of books before I speak on this issue in any depth as it is incredibly complex. However,
Evans (The Third Reich in Power by Richard Evans) points out on page 230 that Protestant publishing house was confiscated, and a Protestant church in Munich destroyed and by the end of “1937, over 700 Protestant Pastors in the country had been imprisoned.”
From what I can gather, the Jesuits hate both “heretics and liberals”. One of the phenomenons that you have with the Reformation is that the Renaissance and the Enlightenment was joined at its hip and thus many Catholics were supportive of this and this the Vatican hated just as much as the Reformation. Thus the high level Jesuit vow obligates the Jesuit to kill all heretics and liberals meaning liberal Catholics, or any Catholic who denies ultramontanism, just like the Gallicans and in our present context the Liberal Catholics in Munich under the Nazi regime.

”So where Protestants here before the German Catholic influx ? If they weren't Anglo-Saxon Protestants, then who were they ?”

>>>Yes of course. My ancestors in Virginia founded Kentucky. We are the ones who fought the wars with the Iroquois and the Cherokee. I showed you this already in my blog on the founding of Kentucky.

“hat's so Anti-American... to be against Christmas! Even secularists get in on the Christmas tradition fun, and there were picnics, and a Continental Sunday, which the prudes didn't like.”

>>>Why would I celebrate the subjugation of my country to Rome?

“Enjoying ourselves and having fun is a good thing. We should do this more often... instead of the Protestant whites having Klan meetings all the time, let's have more Christmas's.”

>>>If Sabatarianism was practiced we would have a holiday every
week. But you settle for a few times a year. How sad.

”And you think that the "infiltration of Jesuits into English treasury" is what started the American Revolution ? I have NEVER heard that.”

>>>I already gave you detailed documentation for this in the blog about Virginia and the slave trade.

“And the Civil War was a "Communist Revolution"? Wow... really ?”

>>>That is what Marx and Engels called it. They wrote extensively on the Civil War.
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/18...

“Because Lincoln, who would have known about Communism, since it became popular during the 1848 Revolutions in Europe, during the Civil War, but said nothing about it.”

>>>Because the Jesuits are masters of semantic games and casuistry. At this time Communism came under the name “the Second Great Awakening” to these lands pursuant to the Council of Vienna and the Treaty of Verona.

“Lincoln also massacred lots of Indians in Minnesota”

>>>I am glad you can admit that. The Confederacy was not the influence behind the trans-continental railroad and I am about sick of having to explain that massacre to people who blame that on us.

“... and Indians, as we all know, at least the noble savage ideal, were Communistic. They believed in living off the land, and using all the parts of the animals, and they lived in tribes, in Communes...”

>>>Well the central bank principle came to them by way of the Jesuits.

“so to speak. After the US won the Civil War, there was still private property, and private ownership, so the idea that the Civil War was a "Communist Revolution" is quite silly.”

>>>And similar counter-examples I could give you after the Communist Revolution in Russia. Communism, will never perfectly exist anywhere because it is an inhuman piece of propaganda, biologically impossible, designed not to settle a people but to shock an establishment.
John Masters

Lexington, KY

#28 Jan 20, 2013
Observation wrote:
You are arguing with a moron Drake. Masters is a black atheist in a white body. You would do better to have this conversation with your cat.
Here's how Protestant's argue... if u dont agree w/ them, they'll put u down, until u submit. That's the major difference b/t Catholics and Protestants: Protestants believe that you must force others to believe what you believe, whereas Catholics believe that through the free will is how one's path towards the grace of God works. When one chooses to follow Jesus Christ by themselves, they are Catholics. When they don't, they are Protestants. Jan Hus, a Czech Catholic who was questioning the Indulgences of the Catholic Church, was burned at the stake... when he was right! Figure out the Bible yourself! Believe in God how you want! And when you choose to believe in Jesus Christ, then you are following the Catholic Way... not the "speaking in tongues" Protestants.
Drake

Louisville, KY

#29 Jan 20, 2013
John Masters,

“You really don't like acknowledging that slavery in America was the most brutal and barbaric of all slaveries, in all the world, do ya?”

>>>Why would I when Robert Fogel proved that it was the most humane slavery system in the western hemisphere in his Nobel Prize winning work Time on the Cross? He showed that the average slave in the South lived better than the average industrial worker in the north.

“U claim u led w/ scientific understand, but then hand the Big Bang Theory to the Catholics.”

>>>An invention is not the same thing as a theory. One actually has physical application. The other only potentially so.

“U a creationist? Being a fundamentalists is not smart. Sheep.”

>>>I have already ripped the Secular philosophy to shreds:

http://eternalpropositions.wordpress.com/2013...
wake up

Georgetown, KY

#30 Jan 20, 2013
which Jesus? the only begotten Son, the visible image of an invisible GOD, the CREATOR!

there are something like 25000 protestant religions and they all have a couple things in common.
1) each was started by a man
2)everyone of those men changed at least one bible doctrine to form their own religion.

a lot of them preach saved by FAITH alone but when they actually begin speaking they all quickly start adding works and thats catholic false doctrine.
your right i despise the catholic church but protestants are nothing but catholics different levels of catholicism. i call them diet catholics.

the bible says "study to show YOURSELF approved" not study to show martin luther or the pope approved.
how many people have ever been saved by being catholic or one of the 25000 protestant religions?
0!
Drake

Louisville, KY

#31 Jan 20, 2013
John Masters

"Catholics do not believe that you have to be Catholic or that you'll be put to death. That's horshyt."

Thomas Aquinas is the most authoritative author of the Roman Religion.

Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Second Part of the Second Part, Question 11 Article 3,

“I answer that, With regard to heretics two points must be observed: one, on their own side; the other, on the side of the Church. On their own side there is the sin, whereby they deserve not only to be separated from the Church by excommunication,*******but also to be severed from the world by death.******** For it is a much graver matter to corrupt the faith which quickens the soul, than to forge money, which supports temporal life.

Wherefore if forgers of money and other evil-doers are forthwith condemned to death by the secular authority, much more reason is there for heretics, as soon as they are convicted of heresy, to be not only excommunicated but even put to death.

On the part of the Church, however, there is mercy which looks to the conversion of the wanderer, wherefore she condemns not at once, but "after the first and second admonition," as the Apostle directs: after that, if he is yet stubborn, the Church no longer hoping for his conversion, looks to the salvation of others, by excommunicating him and separating him from the Church, and furthermore delivers him to the secular tribunal to be exterminated thereby from the world by death. For Jerome commenting on Gal. 5:9, "A little leaven," says: "Cut off the decayed flesh, expel the mangy sheep from the fold, lest the whole house, the whole paste, the whole body, the whole flock, burn, perish, rot, die. Arius was but one spark in Alexandria, but as that spark was not at once put out, the whole earth was laid waste by its flame."

Reply to Objection 1: This very modesty demands that the heretic should be admonished a first and second time: and if he be unwilling to retract, he must be reckoned as already "subverted," as we may gather from the words of the Apostle quoted above.

Reply to Objection 2: The profit that ensues from heresy is beside the intention of heretics, for it consists in the constancy of the faithful being put to the test, and "makes us shake off our sluggishness, and search the Scriptures more carefully," as Augustine states (De Gen. cont. Manich. i, 1). What they really intend is the corruption of the faith, which is to inflict very great harm indeed. Consequently we should consider what they directly intend, and expel them, rather than what is beside their intention, and so, tolerate them.

Reply to Objection 3: According to Decret.(xxiv, qu. iii, can. Notandum), "to be excommunicated is not to be uprooted." A man is excommunicated, as the Apostle says (1 Cor. 5:5) that his "spirit may be saved in the day of Our Lord." ******Yet if heretics be altogether uprooted by death, this is not contrary to Our Lord's command*******, which is to be understood as referring to the case when the cockle cannot be plucked up without plucking up the wheat, as we explained above (Q[10], A[8], ad 1), when treating of unbelievers in general.”

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/aquinas/summa.SS_Q11...
genforrest

United States

#32 Jan 20, 2013
John Masters wrote:
Good! You stupid racists deserve it! And u say... "the majority savage blacks" ? What planet do u live on ? Blacks in Louisville is 22%... in other counties in KY, it's less than 1%.
Down w/ Patriarchy! Down w/ Racism! Down w/ Hierarchy! Down w/ WASPs! Down w/ Protestants! Down w/ KKK (a Protestant Organization)!
Interesting note...how many Blacks are truthfully racist? And don't give me the "they have a right to be spiel," either. The bottom line is that many, and I'm not saying all, think whites or others owe them material things. This decades old pissing contest over events back in 1857 or back before 1900, is a worn out excuse to elicit money, run off at the mouth and expect whites and other races to cow down and feel guilty for events that happened prior to 1900.Those that are weak in mind or body might feel a guilt trip for something Blacks and our educational institutions have tried to browbeat children and adults into believing.

I did not own slaves. My grandfather gave Blacks jobs when others would not hire them and he paid them the same wage as the whites. His father and grandfather did the same. What occurred a century or so ago was then. Many whites are fed up with this constant "slavery" excuse for some Blacks being thugs, expecting the white race to become extinct or for decades to come grovel for forgiveness for events WE in the here and now were not involved in. You down whites..guess what? You are a race traitor and downing your own race does not make you anything with the Blacks. Blacks can be proud of their race. That is their right. Just as Whites can and most will be proud of where they came from. The White race.
John Masters

Lexington, KY

#33 Jan 20, 2013
I posted this earlier... not sure why it didn't let me post it from before.

I dont believe all that happened in the movie, The Gangs of New York, but the battle b/t the Nativist New Yorkers and the newly arriving Irish, is exactly what happened in 1855, in Louisville. Too bad after 10 years, Louisville elected a German for Mayor, so they didn't wipe us out.

Catholics do not believe that you have to be Catholic or that you'll be put to death. That's the Catholic Church of yesteryear. That's pre-Vatican 2, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_2

It's also interesting how you use the strawman argument of "you're a liberal", just like Rush Limbaugh. I'm a Socialist, w/ Anarchist leanings, if you must know. A Social Anarchist... or an Anarcho-Syndicalist. BUT, so was Jesus Christ. He was a long-haired hippie, speaking about peace, freedom, and justice, and questioning the ruling Empire, and feeding the poor, and hanging out with the muck of society, the prostitutes, the lepers, the criminals, the tax collectors, etc. 

And about fighting the Empire... US wasn't an Empire in 1860s. It became an Empire after the Spanish American war in the 1890s, when they claimed the Phillipines colony, and Guam, and Puerto Rico, and Hawaii... which was just a colony of America, when it was bombed in 1941. So yeah, the Confederates weren't fighting the Empire. While I agree with the feelings of Independence and Freedom, and State's Rights, and I believe in the right to secession, I do not believe in slavery, which is what the Civil War was about.

Protestants believe that you must force others to believe what you believe, whereas Catholics believe that through the free will is how one's path towards the grace of God works. When one chooses to follow Jesus Christ by themselves, they are Catholics. When they don't, they are Protestants. Jan Hus, a Czech Catholic who was questioning the Indulgences of the Catholic Church, was burned at the stake... when he was right! Figure out the Bible yourself! Believe in God how you want! And when you choose to believe in Jesus Christ, then you are following the Catholic Way... not the "speaking in tongues" Protestants.
Drake

Memphis, TN

#34 Jan 21, 2013
John Masters

"While I agree with the feelings of Independence and Freedom, and State's Rights, and I believe in the right to secession, I do not believe in slavery, which is what the Civil War was about."

>>>I already refuted that idea by quoting to you Lincoln's own words in his lettere to Horace Greeley. Ignoring documented statements is not the same thing as refuting an error.
Drake

Memphis, TN

#35 Jan 21, 2013
John Masters,

Waiting on your reply to the Aquinas quote above.
John Masters

Lexington, KY

#36 Jan 21, 2013
Vatican 2. There's Excommunication today, but not Apostasy. Nobody is killed for leaving the Church. Aquinas is a leading theologian of some sort, but I don't put much stock in him, nor do I hear him quoted amongst Catholics. In fact, I'm not sure if Catholics even really understand themselves. I also agree that the right wing Catholic Church is responsible for many deaths... in Europe. That's also coming from the top. Those on bottom, are just poor families trying to make their way through this struggle.

I think of Jan Hus. He read the Bible. He didn't believe in the Indulgence system of the Catholic Church. He believed in interpreting the Bible for himself, and worshipping God how he wanted. He was burned at the stake. Then Bohemia was at war for several decades.

I think of Oscar Romero, who gave his life fighting for the poor in El Salvador. He believed in Liberation Theology. So did Paulo Freire, in his Pedagogy of the Oppressed.

Other tenets of Catholicism... the 10 Commandments, The Golden Rule, The Beatitudes. Jesus Christ said all of his Commandments can come down to one rule, and that's to love others as you love yourself... and since Jesus Christ said to love, who cares if there's 41,000 different denominations of Christianity? Who cares if there's 21,000 Protestant religion? If we're all talking about caring for each other, and doing as Jesus Christ would want us to do, then where does all of this hatred come from? Jesus Christ is so Revolutionary, he even says that we should love our enemies. LOVE our enemies. He also advocates turning the other cheek.

I'm curious about what you thought about the Free Will/Free Choice argument of Catholicism, versus having being forced to believe... Protestants believe that the will is so corrupt, at least Calvin and Luther, that only by overpowering that will, is the only way to salvation, and to get to God's grace.
John Masters

Lexington, KY

#37 Jan 21, 2013
Beriah Maggofin was Governor of KKKentucKKKe when the South seceded, and attacked the North. They attacked at Fort Sumter, and then they invaded KKKentucKKKe, violating her neutrality, and forcing her to go North, which is great. Most KKKYians fought for the Union. As did the Germans. Beriah Maggofin said, proudly, and courageously, by telegram,“I say, emphatically, KKKentucKKKe will furnish no troops for the wicked purpose of subduing her sister Southern States.”(James Klotter, 187). Beriah Maggofin believed in Slavery. Maggofin attempted to organize the Southern States, in order to prevent Civil War, with a common set of demands. Here's the demands he wanted:

1 – Amend the Constitution to see that the Fugitive Slave Act was enforced.
2 – Provide full compensation to the owner if a fugitive slave was not returned.
3 – Pass a law to require that a state render up to legal request any person who had been indicted for helping fugitives escape.
4 – Divide the territories at latitude 37 degrees and let that division determine slave or free status.
5 – Amend the Constitution to guarantee free use of the Mississippi River to all states.
6 – Amend the Constitution to give the minority South a way of protecting itself against oppressive slavery legislation. This protection would probably be accomplished via a sort of section hero in the Senate.

5 of the 6 demands from the KKKentucKKKe Governor, was about slavery. So to say that the South seceding wasn't over slavery, or that KKKentucKKKe didn't have issues with slavery, well, that's just a g.d.'d lie. The Civil War was fought over slavery. The South wanted to keep their peculiar institution, at least their wealthy planters did, even though free labor hurt the common white working man's value on the market. Eventually the legislature booted Beriah Maggofin in degrace, and sided with Abraham Lincoln, a native KKKentucKKKians, who wasn't against hanging 38 Souix Indians in Minnesota.
Wake up

Duluth, GA

#38 Jan 21, 2013
Catholicism, Protestantism, Mormonism and all the other sects are nothing but an overly oppressive form of government. All they do is preach men's thoughts on the Bible instead of what the Bible actually teaches. Jesus came to set us free not bind us with heavy burdens!
All these liars do is divide us and make the Word hard to believe.

Wolves in Sheeps clothing!
John Masters

Lexington, KY

#39 Jan 21, 2013
Since there's 41,000 sects of Christianity in the US, and Jesus said we should love, you'd think, we'd be able to get along... if we all really are... Christians.
Drake

Louisville, KY

#40 Jan 22, 2013
John Masters

"Vatican 2"

>>>I know many Catholics that reject this. They are called Sedevecantists. Bendict the XVI is currently reinterpreting things that the Pope at the time abrogated like the Index of Forbidden Books. V2 was just a lure to get the liberal catholics in and take their money. Things are going back to the old ways now.

"There's Excommunication today, but not Apostasy. Nobody is killed for leaving the Church."

>>>Sure they are. The inquisitions are just called different names, like the SS, the ANC, Abolition, NAACP, Communism, Race War, World War, Liberation of Iraq (Interesting how the US always says they are liberating the people that they are killing and raping.)etc.

"Aquinas is a leading theologian of some sort"

>>>Of some sort. He is called THE ANGELIC DOCTOR. He is the most authoritative theologian of the Roman Church. Follow the Called to Communion guys.

"but I don't put much stock in him, nor do I hear him quoted amongst Catholics."

>>>Follow the Called to Communion blog. Aquinas is Bryan Cross' most quoted author.

"In fact, I'm not sure if Catholics even really understand themselves. I also agree that the right wing Catholic Church is responsible for many deaths... in Europe. That's also coming from the top. Those on bottom, are just poor families trying to make their way through this struggle."

>>>> I agree. The common catholic is used for the purpopses of the Vatican. The Irish Catholics were starved out by the Jesuits during the potato famine which the Jesuits caused via Queen Victoria to fill the Yankee rosters of the then coming Civil War.

"I think of Oscar Romero, who gave his life fighting for the poor in El Salvador. He believed in Liberation Theology. So did Paulo Freire, in his Pedagogy of the Oppressed."

>>>Liberation theology was invented by the Jesuits in their Paraguay reductions in the mid to late 1700s. It is a blood thirsty piece of propoganda.

"Other tenets of Catholicism... the 10 Commandments, The Golden Rule, The Beatitudes. Jesus Christ said all of his Commandments can come down to one rule, and that's to love others as you love yourself... and since Jesus Christ said to love, who cares if there's 41,000 different denominations of Christianity?"

>>>Because this confusion is an open door for the intrigue of the Vatican.

"Who cares if there's 21,000 Protestant religion?"

>>>Catholic apologists have already admitted that this number is a lie. james White has shown this often. The number is really around 25oo and let us not forget that this has been the result of Jesuit and Freemasonic infiltration into Protestant churches pursuant unto the Jesuit oath of the 4th vow.

"If we're all talking about caring for each other, and doing as Jesus Christ would want us to do, then where does all of this hatred come from? Jesus Christ is so Revolutionary, he even says that we should love our enemies. LOVE our enemies. He also advocates turning the other cheek."

>>>But those principle sare personal and getting smote on the cheek is not a fatal blow. You can still go to work the next day after being hit on the cheek.

"I'm curious about what you thought about the Free Will/Free Choice argument of Catholicism, versus having being forced to believe."

>>>I think you are either conflating church membership with salvation or you don't read the history of the Holy Roman Empire. Charlemagne forced people upon pain of death to be a Catholic. Even the most Theocractic and Establishmentarian author of Protestantism, Samnuel Rutherford, rejected this idea in his Free Disputation.
Drake

Louisville, KY

#41 Jan 22, 2013
John Masters,

".. Protestants believe that the will is so corrupt, at least Calvin and Luther, that only by overpowering that will, is the only way to salvation, and to get to God's grace."

>>>This is a typical piece of Romanist propoganda. Robert Shaw shows in his The Reformed Faith, an exposition of the Confession, 10.1-2 on the Effectual Call,

“That in this calling no violence is offered to the will. While the Spirit effectually draws sinners to Christ, he deals with them in a way agreeable to their rational nature,“so as they come most freely, being made willing by his grace.” The liberty of the will is not invaded, for that would destroy its very nature; but its obstinacy is overcome, its perverseness taken away, and the whole soul powerfully, yet sweetly, attracted to the Saviour. The compliance of the soul is voluntary, while the energy of the Spirit is efficient and almighty:“Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power.”—Ps. cx. 3.”
Drake

United States

#42 Jan 22, 2013
John Masters

"Beriah Maggofin was Governor of KKKentucKKKe when the South seceded, and attacked the North. They attacked at Fort Sumter"

>>>That is a lie. The Fort Sumter event was a false flag, just like 9/11, and the Reichstag. EJP states,

“Now, with enough hatred in place, the Jesuits needed an incident to ignite their bloody War Between the States. Before Lincoln took office, President James Buchanan, a Protestant Freemason, sent a navy vessel,“The Star of the West,” into Charleston harbor to relieve Fort Sumter. This was an act of war in international law, as the Southern States had lawfully seceded, the right of resuming delegated powers having been specifically reserved by the State Ratification Contracts of New York, Rhode Island and Virginia. The Confederate States responded in the person of General Beauregard, a Roman Catholic Freemason, by firing on the Fort and have been wrongfully blamed for starting the war—just like Germany in World War I and Japan in World War II. Thus, the Northern Freemason who incited America’s bloodiest war was President James Buchanan. And the Southern Freemason who fired the first shot was General Pierre G. T. Beauregard.” Vatican Assasins, 2001, page 558

These men worked together in performing the Order’s will just like they do today. Freemasons are nothing but the revived Templar Order of the Pope and the Knights of Malta are nothing but the Pope’s revived Hospitaliers. Secondly, the South did not start this war, but a Luciferianized pseudo-Christian named Harriet Beecher Stowe did, who on Thanksgiving Day, 1862, met Abraham Lincoln, who greeted her saying,“So you’re the little woman who wrote the book that made this great war!” Stowe’s propaganda, Uncle Tom’s Cabin, was the occasion for great hatred and animosity to foment, just like the movie Django is designed to do today.

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