Domestic violence bill would collect guns

Jan 9, 2010 Full story: Kentucky.com 64

Kentucky sheriffs would have to collect the guns of people with domestic violence orders against them under a bill filed this week in the General Assembly.

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GPM

“DILLIGAF?”

Since: Aug 08

San Antonio, TX

#1 Jan 9, 2010
Stripping people of their rights due to a claim is convicting them without a trial. In today's castrated zeitgeist, all men are rapists and murderers and any woman can ruin him with a single unfounded complaint.

Do not misunderstand, those who commit crimes of violence (male or female) should lose their rights and freedoms, but only after being arrested and tried. And having been tried, found guilty. Anything else, is a mockery of justice and the Constitution.

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#2 Jan 9, 2010
GPM wrote:
Stripping people of their rights due to a claim is convicting them without a trial. In today's castrated zeitgeist, all men are rapists and murderers and any woman can ruin him with a single unfounded complaint.
Do not misunderstand, those who commit crimes of violence (male or female) should lose their rights and freedoms, but only after being arrested and tried. And having been tried, found guilty. Anything else, is a mockery of justice and the Constitution.
Good Grief!

Can you imagine the abuse this system could bring about?

I have seen some pretty vindictive break-ups in my time and I see this as a great opportunity for some slighted person to take revenge on their ex partner.
Speeders are Murderers

United States

#3 Jan 9, 2010
Another of the many many many "common sense" restrictions on RKBA. Part of a conspiracy to disarm the public.
Speeders are Murderers

United States

#4 Jan 9, 2010
GPM wrote:
Do not misunderstand, those who commit crimes of violence (male or female) should lose their rights and freedoms,
Really? Speeding in a car is obviously a crime of violence. You really think speeders should lose their rights?? THINK
Seen It Before

United States

#5 Jan 9, 2010
Plant Lady wrote:
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Good Grief!
Can you imagine the abuse this system could bring about?
I have seen some pretty vindictive break-ups in my time and I see this as a great opportunity for some slighted person to take revenge on their ex partner.
Here in New York it's a common ploy by both lawyers and vindictive people to get an order of protection issued which includes an automatic suspension of a pistol permit and confiscation of all guns in the possession pf the one the order is against. This is carried out at once with no warning on the one getting thier guns taken. It happens more than many realize and the chance of getting your handguns back is about zero and your long guns come back if at all in terrible shape over a year later from being stored in a wet storeroom. I know more than one that this has happened to...
Boomer215

Irvington, NJ

#6 Jan 9, 2010
Seen It Before wrote:
<quoted text>Here in New York it's a common ploy by both lawyers and vindictive people to get an order of protection issued which includes an automatic suspension of a pistol permit and confiscation of all guns in the possession pf the one the order is against. This is carried out at once with no warning on the one getting thier guns taken. It happens more than many realize and the chance of getting your handguns back is about zero and your long guns come back if at all in terrible shape over a year later from being stored in a wet storeroom. I know more than one that this has happened to...
And yet article 2, section 4, of the New York Civil Rights Law states-
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms cannot be infringed.
Seen It Before

United States

#7 Jan 9, 2010
Boomer215 wrote:
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And yet article 2, section 4, of the New York Civil Rights Law states-
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms cannot be infringed.
Yeah it's pretty convienient how some articles of the law get overlooked aint it?
Two Cents

West Liberty, KY

#8 Jan 9, 2010
How did this thread get on the Wellington, KY site ?

GPM

“DILLIGAF?”

Since: Aug 08

San Antonio, TX

#9 Jan 9, 2010
Speeders are Murderers wrote:
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Really? Speeding in a car is obviously a crime of violence. You really think speeders should lose their rights?? THINK
You didn't stay in a Holiday Inn last night, did you? Speeding is a traffic offense. Crimes of violence are assaults on another person (i.e. rape, murder, assault and battery, knifing, shooting, etc...)

GPM

“DILLIGAF?”

Since: Aug 08

San Antonio, TX

#10 Jan 9, 2010
Two Cents wrote:
How did this thread get on the Wellington, KY site ?
Magic.

Actually, the stories origin was KY so Topix placed in in your forum.
Former LE

Campbellsville, KY

#11 Jan 9, 2010
By that same lodgic, if I arrested a burgler, I would allow his to retain his weapon until he was convicted in a court of law. When a person is acused and arrested for a violent act the police can and should dissarm them until the matter is resolved in a court of law. Domestic Violence orders are temporary and a court hearing is usually held within a week.
Seen It Before

United States

#12 Jan 9, 2010
Former LE wrote:
By that same lodgic, if I arrested a burgler, I would allow his to retain his weapon until he was convicted in a court of law. When a person is acused and arrested for a violent act the police can and should dissarm them until the matter is resolved in a court of law. Domestic Violence orders are temporary and a court hearing is usually held within a week.
I don't think anyone disputes that a criminal should be disarmed especially if they are armed in the commission of a crime but in certain allegations is it right to remove the firearms from someone based on a third hand account of an alleged threat? Here in New York an order of protection granted for any reason usually results in confiscation of someones guns. I know first hand of a case where someone was overheard arguing on the telephone with a family member and a security guard filed a report resulting in the loss of the guns of the one overheard. The party on the other end of the phone used that report to get an order of protection issued then proceded to use that to have the first party not allowed on a property that they owned jointly. The second party removed everything he could steal while using the protective order as a shield to cover his activities. At last account the property stolen was in the range of $300 thousand dollars and there is a court action pending.
audacity of deceit

Bowling Green, KY

#13 Jan 9, 2010
This is completely unacceptable. It amounts to the first step to gun control.
Former LE

Campbellsville, KY

#14 Jan 9, 2010
Seen It Before wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think anyone disputes that a criminal should be disarmed especially if they are armed in the commission of a crime but in certain allegations is it right to remove the firearms from someone based on a third hand account of an alleged threat? Here in New York an order of protection granted for any reason usually results in confiscation of someones guns. I know first hand of a case where someone was overheard arguing on the telephone with a family member and a security guard filed a report resulting in the loss of the guns of the one overheard. The party on the other end of the phone used that report to get an order of protection issued then proceded to use that to have the first party not allowed on a property that they owned jointly. The second party removed everything he could steal while using the protective order as a shield to cover his activities. At last account the property stolen was in the range of $300 thousand dollars and there is a court action pending.
I do not dispute that the protective order system is abused by irate Ex's . It is often useless against the very people it was designed to protect the alleged victim from. Many times when I have answered a domestic call where the ex had showed up and beat the ex-wife, he had the domestic violence order in his pocket when I arrested him. The abuser took the order as a challenge! however , when in the rare case a victim used deadly force to defend themselves from the abuser whom we had served an order on, the SOB was paid for.
lumberjack

Phoenix, AZ

#15 Jan 9, 2010
ITS A BUNCH OF B.S.TO ME WHAT IN THE WORLD.
DOES GUNS HAVE TO WITH IT. THERE THEY GO
TRYING TO TAKE ARE GUN AWAY.IF THERE A
DISPUTE BETWEEN A COUPLE THROW BOTH OF THEY
ASSES IN JAIL.
Seen It Before

United States

#18 Jan 9, 2010
Former LE wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not dispute that the protective order system is abused by irate Ex's . It is often useless against the very people it was designed to protect the alleged victim from. Many times when I have answered a domestic call where the ex had showed up and beat the ex-wife, he had the domestic violence order in his pocket when I arrested him. The abuser took the order as a challenge! however , when in the rare case a victim used deadly force to defend themselves from the abuser whom we had served an order on, the SOB was paid for.
Having several police officers as friends I know that going to a domestic dispute can be one of the worst encounters for a cop. You have probly seen the law twisted to suit one party or another more than once too. I worked in a Maximum Security Prison for many years and do not miss the type of idiot that seems to make a place like that thier permanent residence. Be safe out there, it's a jungle...

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#19 Jan 10, 2010
Former LE wrote:
By that same lodgic, if I arrested a burgler, I would allow his to retain his weapon until he was convicted in a court of law...
Dotard, I think you meant BUGLER or French horn blower.

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#20 Jan 10, 2010
Former LE wrote:
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however , when in the rare case a victim used deadly force to defend themselves from the abuser whom we had served an order on, the SOB was paid for.
How ghey.
KENTUCKYMAN

United States

#21 Jan 10, 2010
I guess anymore your guilty until proven innocent and sometimes still Guilty after that! I to see it as a step for gun control. Its also one way for the accuser to disarm a potential victim! Lets think about this for a minute. Suppose the wife was vindictive and wanted her brother or new guy new guy to hurt the ex. Now that would work alot better if the victim was disarmed! Now lets flip the roles around for a minute! What if the guy was angry and wanted to beat up the ex wife. He could get a PO and have her disarmed so as to make her easy prey!

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#22 Jan 10, 2010
Husbands and boyfriends don't need a firearm to kill their wives or girlfriends (or kids).

Chuck Schumer is one of the authors of the Brady Bill putting domestic abusers in a prohibited category.

I just recently sold my cache.

Why are spouses charged with domestic violence when they should be charged with assault ?

An unarmed husband only needs a kitchen knife - it's quieter too.

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